Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[twix2500]

If Heat flame out in the 1st round again you have to reconsider Spo as coach. Bubble was a unique situation where there was a fitness reset.

This style he plays is great for fresh legs but its a sprinting style and the NBA season is a marathon.

Good luck, Spo

90 percent of the roster has mised tons of game. Shouldn't be no long run fatigue.

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[somerandomdude]

This team won't have anything left in the tank by the time the playoffs roll around.

Games that we should be winning by a comfortable margin turn into dog fights and losses.

“When you think about it, we go to the wire with the Clippers [in Friday’s home victory]. We go triple-overtime [in Saturday’s home loss to the Raptors]. And then we all play to fight back in Boston [a Monday road loss].

“I think a lot of us were kind of gassed.”

Raptors in 8th place, Celtics in 9th place.

If playoffs started today and those teams won their play-in, both teams would be a bad matchup.

Even if we win, they're capable of dragging the series and will wear us down.

Every team has to play 82 games.

Teams that can win by a comfortable margin, and get ahead in the standings with a decent buffer, have the luxury of resting players.

We've lost to so many mid/lower tier teams, even with Lowry/Bam/Jimmy/Herro, that it's almost a foregone conclusion that this team will need to play those guys every night they're available just to have a chance at a top seed.

That's not even mentioning the tiring nature of having to play small, which requires exerting more energy on the glass and defensive rotations to compensate for our defense collapsing when teams abuse mismatches in the post and then swing the ball around for wide open looks.

[greg4012]

This team won't have anything left in the tank by the time the playoffs roll around.

Games that we should be winning by a comfortable margin turn into dog fights and losses.



Raptors in 8th place, Celtics in 9th place.

If playoffs started today and those teams won their play-in, both teams would be a bad matchup.

Even if we win, they're capable of dragging the series and will wear us down.

Every team has to play 82 games.

Teams that can win by a comfortable margin, and get ahead in the standings with a decent buffer, have the luxury of resting players.

We've lost to so many mid/lower tier teams, even with Lowry/Bam/Jimmy/Herro, that it's almost a foregone conclusion that this team will need to play those guys every night they're available just to have a chance at a top seed.

That's not even mentioning the tiring nature of having to play small, which requires exerting more energy on the glass and defensive rotations to compensate for our defense collapsing when teams abuse mismatches in the post and then swing the ball around for wide open looks.

I share the frustrations--we're so aware of what this team is capable of and it seems like we're consistently tripping right before takeoff. With that said, the reality is Miami is 6th in the NBA in point differential.

And citing a matchup with a team like Toronto in the playoffs and then speaking to concern of our guys being worn out doesn't accoutn for the fact that Toronto is running the shortest rotation in the NBA and playing their core 5-6 guys HEAVY

[IceColdCubano]

Right now the teams giving us the biggest problems, are the tall, lengthy, athletic types that have 1 or 2 good slashers with good vision to get open 3pt shooters to kill us. The Cleveland's, Milwaukee's, Philadelphia's , Toronto's of the league seem to do to us what they want. We do great against the small ball teams because they fall into our style, Bulls, Golden state, etc. We could be in for a rude awakening come the playoffs against the wrong matchup.

[harlem_ball]

Guys are starting to complain about being gassed now. People that understand fitness know what's up.

You burn the throttle, you gotta expect to burn the gas.

The solution is to use your bench and use your darn size.

Wade won with Shaq and Zo.
Kobe won with Bynum abd Gasol.
Warriors even had Bogut for a time.

Wake up Spo Dantoni.

Dantoni never won anything.

Jordan and LeBron X are anomalies. They were the goats.

(Even though Longley, Cartwright. Burdman, Bosh)

[balla345]

Guys are starting to complain about being gassed now. People that understand fitness know what's up.

You burn the throttle, you gotta expect to burn the gas.

The solution is to use your bench and use your darn size.

Wade won with Shaq and Zo.
Kobe won with Bynum abd Gasol.
Warriors even had Bogut for a time.

Wake up Spo Dantoni.

Dantoni never won anything.

Jordan and LeBron X are anomalies. They were the goats.

(Even though Longley, Cartwright. Burdman, Bosh)

Even with Lebron we were throwing out Bosh and Joel which is bigger than anything we are throwing out there now. Lebron was also playing the 3 and last time I checked hes as big as Bam. Even wade who was shot blocking 7 footers would be better suited than Martin playing the 4 right now.

[Wiltside]

Guys are starting to complain about being gassed now. People that understand fitness know what's up.

You burn the throttle, you gotta expect to burn the gas.

The solution is to use your bench and use your darn size.

Wade won with Shaq and Zo.
Kobe won with Bynum abd Gasol.
Warriors even had Bogut for a time.

Wake up Spo Dantoni.

Dantoni never won anything.

Jordan and LeBron X are anomalies. They were the goats.

(Even though Longley, Cartwright. Burdman, Bosh)

Even with Lebron we were throwing out Bosh and Joel which is bigger than anything we are throwing out there now. Lebron was also playing the 3 and last time I checked hes as big as Bam. Even wade who was shot blocking 7 footers would be better suited than Martin playing the 4 right now.

We did roll out Anthony and Bosh.

But then we pivoted and signed Battier, went small with Battier/Lebby at the 3/4 and won b2b chips.

Old habits die hard. Much like small ball has dominated the better part of this past decade, we have to be able to also upsize and take advantage of our own strengths.

Teams are getting Bam on the switch at point of attack and banking on the fact their guy will either score, or their true big will crash the O boards and out size our mini 3-4's who seem to always be trying to fend off bigger guys in the paint.

[HeatFanLifer]

Guys are starting to complain about being gassed now. People that understand fitness know what's up.

You burn the throttle, you gotta expect to burn the gas.

The solution is to use your bench and use your darn size.

Wade won with Shaq and Zo.
Kobe won with Bynum abd Gasol.
Warriors even had Bogut for a time.

Wake up Spo Dantoni.

Dantoni never won anything.

Jordan and LeBron X are anomalies. They were the goats.

(Even though Longley, Cartwright. Burdman, Bosh)

Even with Lebron we were throwing out Bosh and Joel which is bigger than anything we are throwing out there now. Lebron was also playing the 3 and last time I checked hes as big as Bam. Even wade who was shot blocking 7 footers would be better suited than Martin playing the 4 right now.

We did roll out Anthony and Bosh.

But then we pivoted and signed Battier, went small with Battier/Lebby at the 3/4 and won b2b chips.

Old habits die hard. Much like small ball has dominated the better part of this past decade, we have to be able to also upsize and take advantage of our own strengths.

Teams are getting Bam on the switch at point of attack and banking on the fact their guy will either score, or their true big will crash the O boards and out size our mini 3-4's who seem to always be trying to fend off bigger guys in the paint.

Martin’s hamstring injury will be the first of many to come if he continues playing the 4 on a long term basis.

[twix2500]

Guys are starting to complain about being gassed now. People that understand fitness know what's up.

You burn the throttle, you gotta expect to burn the gas.

The solution is to use your bench and use your darn size.

Wade won with Shaq and Zo.
Kobe won with Bynum abd Gasol.
Warriors even had Bogut for a time.

Wake up Spo Dantoni.

Dantoni never won anything.

Jordan and LeBron X are anomalies. They were the goats.

(Even though Longley, Cartwright. Burdman, Bosh)

Even with Lebron we were throwing out Bosh and Joel which is bigger than anything we are throwing out there now. Lebron was also playing the 3 and last time I checked hes as big as Bam. Even wade who was shot blocking 7 footers would be better suited than Martin playing the 4 right now.

6'8 Joel with his 3 rebounds.

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Only the third one: Duncan/Yurt/27 1st for Woods is the most palatable of the three

[TroubleS0me]

Congrats to Yimmy for making the all star team
but just thought Herro was more deserving..too many games missed by Butler

[DayofMourning]

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Any trade of Yurt is no Bueno for this amigo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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No to Thad but interesting

[twix2500]

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No to Thad but interesting

this is why KobeWade doesn't like Lief. That is not a scoop. That is Lief just poking at fans and himself wanting to trade Duncan. Lief peeks on here and sees Rex wanting Thad. Thad did play tonight by the way.

I do not mind Thad but he isn't a player you trade for at this point of his career especially for Duncan. He is a buy out quality player. The player to watch is Milsap, and KZ would be the one being sacrificed. Duncan will not be traded this year. And Duncan has a lot of value to teams by the way.

[Maverick41]

Miami fans, what do you think of a Dorian Finney-Smith + Moses Brown for Yurt & Martin type trade? DFS gives you guys a good 3&D player that allows Butler to conserve some energy for the offensive end. He can guard 1-4 and is a good corner 3 point shooter (probably don't make him shoot elsewhere though). I think your team would be serious contenders with just one more 3&D player like him. If this trade value is off-base, I apologize in advance.

Personally I would hate to lose DFS but realize that team might not be able to afford both him AND Brunson in the offseason.

[Wiltside]

Miami fans, what do you think of a Dorian Finney-Smith + Moses Brown for Yurt & Martin type trade? DFS gives you guys a good 3&D player that allows Butler to conserve some energy for the offensive end. He can guard 1-4 and is a good corner 3 point shooter (probably don't make him shoot elsewhere though). I think your team would be serious contenders with just one more 3&D player like him. If this trade value is off-base, I apologize in advance.

Personally I would hate to lose DFS but realize that team might not be able to afford both him AND Brunson in the offseason.

I don't think your proposed trade is necessarily off-base, but I wouldn't do it. Not because I don't like DFS (I do), but Martin has been very good for us, and Yurt was a revelation as a starter. It'd be remiss of us to part with him, IMO. Brown doesn't interest me - he was good at OKC, but he's done nothing in his other stops so far. Rather just keep Yurt and hope Spo can figure out a duel big lineup with Bam.

[Wiltside]

Not that I really care anymore, but just out of interest:

Crowder: 9.1ppg, 4.8rpg, 1.4apg, 0.5bpg, 1.3spg, 0.9tpg, 28.0mpg on 40.5%fg, 35.7% 3fg (1.9 per) and 80.4%ft
Tucker: 8.7ppg, 5.4rpg, 2.2apg, 0.2bpg, 0.8spg, 1.0tpg, 28.6mpg on 50%fg, 46.8% 3fg (1.5 per) and 72.3%ft.

Tucker is in the first year of a 2yr, $15m deal
Crowder is in the second year of a 3yr, $30m deal

I have no regrets about how this all worked out. Jae was terrific for us in the bubble, but he wouldn't have been the difference in our season last year. Tucker has been so much more than I ever thought when we signed him this offseason. Yes, he's older than Jae, but he's been great - plus it's a short term deal.

[somerandomdude]

Miami fans, what do you think of a Dorian Finney-Smith + Moses Brown for Yurt & Martin type trade? DFS gives you guys a good 3&D player that allows Butler to conserve some energy for the offensive end. He can guard 1-4 and is a good corner 3 point shooter (probably don't make him shoot elsewhere though). I think your team would be serious contenders with just one more 3&D player like him. If this trade value is off-base, I apologize in advance.

Personally I would hate to lose DFS but realize that team might not be able to afford both him AND Brunson in the offseason.

Wiltside's being nice; that's a really bad trade, we value Martin and everyone but Spo values Yurtz. Gotta come with something much better than that.

Aside from that, the Heat will probably never make a trade with the Mavs for the foreseeable future after the Mavs backed out of a deal for us to S&T Jimmy Butler. It came off as sabotage since we almost lost out on Jimmy.

[Maverick41]

Makes sense, thanks fellas. I did see a few articles about the Heat's interest in DFS so thought I'd take a stab at it and see what kind of potential package is out there for fun.

Your team find so many diamonds in the ruff players that turn out to be valuable players. Gotta give it your FO, they're darn good at their jobs.

[AirP.]

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