Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 season Pick Watch Thread

[Afam]

The pick should be in the 3 to 5 range. 6th at worst. Only team worse than the Nets are the Philadelphia Sixers, and New Orleans Pelicans.

That's funny because there are currently 12 teams with a worse record right now.

Those teams are going to start playing better eventually. Teams like Mavericks, Magic, Wizards etc

[SMTBSI]

what is the plan if it conveys around 12th-14th?

Trade it if you can get good value on something you want, keep it and add more young talent if you can't. Same as always. See my above post.

If the Nets pick falls precipitously, everyone is going to roll in here and enjoy telling us how much of a mistake it was to keep it, but, again, Efficient-Market Hypothesis. We have no way of knowing if we've been offered market value for it at any point in time.

If the market collectively expects it's going to be around #5, and someone offers you value equivalent to pick #10, that doesn't mean you made a mistake passing at the time even if it later falls to pick #15. Everyone has the same information about the Nets.


Put another way: why don't you sell all your investments now, since there's risk they might lose money?

[Prokorov]

The pick should be in the 3 to 5 range. 6th at worst. Only team worse than the Nets are the Philadelphia Sixers, and New Orleans Pelicans.

That's funny because there are currently 12 teams with a worse record right now.

Those teams are going to start playing better eventually. Teams like Mavericks, Magic, Wizards etc

some will... all... i dont know. most... i dont know.

Orlando doesnt really have the type of roster or coach that lends much confidence they will turn it around. I dont know that Aaron gordon or Payton are all that great. fournier is a nice player. vucevic i guess is solid. ibaka seems like he is probably close to 30+ years old and looks pretty meh these days. they dont do much on eihter end to inspire you. i could see them being a bottom 3 team.

Miami id think defintely turns it around. alot of talent and a D anchor and a solid coach.

Wizards i dont have a ton of faith in. not that they dont finish ahead of the nets but to me they arent a winning team. beal and wall dont fit to me. they lack shooters. they lack offense from the front court. their Dis meh and their coach is meh.

knicks are a superteam but if you told me they were a 25 win team at years end i wouldnt be shocked.

nuggets? i can see them being awful.

once it gets to tanking late who knows.

[Patsfan1081]

Honestly they've gotten some good coaching. Kilpatrick, Harris, and Hamilton were all d-league/second round cast offs who'be been helping them win games. Ainge has had all these picks/ prospects that have been riding the bench, it's pretty frustrating to see guys like Kirkpatrick putting up much better numbers in equal minutes to guys Ainge has spent first round picks on. I actually think the Celtic front office/coaching staff has gotten off easy over the developement of their younger players. I'm not sure the numbers some of these Nets players put up can be substain, we should see on that. The other thing is look at the Suns tonight, Bledsoe, Booker, and Knight all had beyond terrible shooting nights.

[spaceballer]

The pick should be in the 3 to 5 range. 6th at worst. Only team worse than the Nets are the Philadelphia Sixers, and New Orleans Pelicans.

That's funny because there are currently 12 teams with a worse record right now.

Those teams are going to start playing better eventually. Teams like Mavericks, Magic, Wizards etc

The Nets should start playing better as well. Keep in mind that they're getting these wins right now without PGs on the floor at times.

Their 1st (Lin/strained hamstring), 2nd (Greivis Vasquez/waived this week, needs more surgery), 3rd (Whitehead/concussion protocol) string PGs are all out. They're playing with a PG-by-committee of guys playing out of position who aren't PGs, and a recently signed undrafted rookie and undersized PG from the D-League picked up this week and only in his 2nd NBA game.

So the fact that they're able to get wins, cupcake schedule or not, with so many injuries at PG, should be surprising. They were playing at times with no PG on the court and still getting the win (hence all the turnovers and stalled offense or bad decision-making you see at times -- having no PG on the court will do that, even though the Nets won).

You say that those other teams will be playing better as the season progresses. But the Nets will also be playing better later on, presumably, once they get their starting and backup PGs back from injury and won't have to rely as much on PG-by-committee of guys playing out of position and learning the role. And that's before considering that one of those PGs out is one of the team's bigger acquisitions in the off-season and playing well in generating offense before he went down.

Now, the Nets aren't going to win the championship or even likely make the playoffs, but they won't be a lock for a top 5 pick. They can easily be outside of a top 5 pick range, especially if/when other teams start tanking (though it wouldn't surprise me if they finished in the top 5 pick range either, just that it's not a lock).

And the way things are going, I don't really expect Brook Lopez to be traded this season (though I wouldn't be surprised if it did happened). He's fitting into the modern offense with his new 3pters and adds an additional dimension down low. You don't trade a guy that your player development coach is transforming into a better modern asset (this is the same coach who helped add a 3pter to Horford). You wait till the end of the transformation at the end of the season to see what you have and evaluate then, since you'd likely get better value even if you don't want to keep him after this season. It would be foolish to trade him right now and get less value back before he can develop his 3pt shooting into a modern center and get you more value in the summer, or you can keep him if you decide you like what you have at the end of the transformation.

[shawn unkempt]

Oh god now we got the Lin stans writing novels on our board.

[Ror1997]

Oh god now we got the Lin stans writing novels on our board.

Funny how you're making fun of who he is instead of arguing against what he said.

[spaceballer]

Oh god now we got the Lin stans writing novels on our board.

I've been on RealGM for years and posted on more than one board. I can be wordy on occasion. I believe I've even written a much, much longer post on RealGM about Marvel Comics

[aim2please]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

[Marvel]

Nets play hard and Booker? Geez he's better than all of our bigs put together sans, Al.

[jirrit]

I think you guys are underrating the fact the Nets dont have to lose while there are a few teams eager to lose.. I don't see BKN as a lock for bottom 5. Possible, but not a lock at all.

People have said they thought this last year as well but that didn't stop them from losing. But of course that team looks so much different from G.M. down to the D-League. I'm just hoping they have a fire sale and embrace the rebuild

I know, but this year they are actually trying to build something, and they go for it, there's an obvious difference between the way they play/behave this year than last year.

[jirrit]

nets beat suns 122-104

I wonder why you guys are/were crying about us having these kinda threads, just to come in here when you're winning a bit games lol, talking about us being sad?! While we're just watching/discussing the picks we have

[reload141]

The only two wins that have been "out of the box" are Detroit and Indy and they were both at home.... you expect them to beat Suns and Minny has been horrible so will wait and see how they fare against tougher teams and a harder schedule.

[jirrit]

The pick should be in the 3 to 5 range. 6th at worst. Only team worse than the Nets are the Philadelphia Sixers, and New Orleans Pelicans.

That's funny because there are currently 12 teams with a worse record right now.

Those teams are going to start playing better eventually. Teams like Mavericks, Magic, Wizards etc

I think there's more chance one, or maybe two off those list will just decide to tank it. Dallas just ain't good enough, we're lucky they still got Dirk around.

[DeRoma]

That's funny because there are currently 12 teams with a worse record right now.

Those teams are going to start playing better eventually. Teams like Mavericks, Magic, Wizards etc

I think there's more chance one, or maybe two off those list will just decide to tank it. Dallas just ain't good enough, we're lucky they still got Dirk around.

They also have Deron who is a complete mental case. Which could be the reason why they are loosing. I'm not sure though I haven't watch a game against them or keep up

[SMTBSI]

I don't look at it so much in terms of which individual teams will pass the Nets. The records of all 30 teams should wind up pretty close to the same curve as always - you're not going to get a bunch of 15-20 win teams, then a huge gap, then a bunch of 35-40 win teams.

So, I'm just watching the Nets' win-column. If they get to 35 wins, that ain't good for us. 30 wins, looking at the last 10 drafts, should get us in that 6-10 range and a shot to leap, which I can live with. Below 30, obviously, is even better.

[AlCelticFan]

what is the plan if it conveys around 12th-14th?

Trade it if you can get good value on something you want, keep it and add more young talent if you can't. Same as always. See my above post.

If the Nets pick falls precipitously, everyone is going to roll in here and enjoy telling us how much of a mistake it was to keep it, but, again, Efficient-Market Hypothesis. We have no way of knowing if we've been offered market value for it at any point in time.

If the market collectively expects it's going to be around #5, and someone offers you value equivalent to pick #10, that doesn't mean you made a mistake passing at the time even if it later falls to pick #15. Everyone has the same information about the Nets.


Put another way: why don't you sell all your investments now, since there's risk they might lose money?

There's always going to be some variance in expected outcomes. iow, it's always going to be a gamble. Just because you AA doesn't hold up against JJ, doesn't mean it was wrong to call all-in with them,

[Ror1997]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

You have to look at it from our perspective. You guys have a thread, and have had a thread for 3 years now to enjoy watching us fail. Especially when the title of the thread is a direct jab at us, of course we are going to feel insulted. Of course we are poking fun at the fact that you guys want to see us lose every game, which is something we aren't doing.

Our teams basketball reference page is literally sponsored by one of the members of your forum just to make fun of us. The Celtics board has literally gone out of their way to make fun of the nets. And you have to understand that net fans are going to jump at the chance to fire back.

What you might not know is that even though a few net fans have been coming over here to stir the pot, every time this thread gets brought up on the Nets forum, it gets met with a bunch of replies from long time nets posters to not troll the thread.

My suggestion: change the name of the thread, or delete it completely. All you need is a "2017 Draft thread" where you can discuss prospects you would like to consider. Once you make the thread more about enjoying the Nets failure instead of the actual purpose the thread should be serving, you're intentionally trying troll the net fans.

I think nets fans have to do a better job of understanding why you guys would be so fascinated with our Pick, and why you would like to see us fail. But at the same time, some Celtic fans don't have to be such dicks about it. I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to be blunt with you. This is why net fans and Celtic fans can't get along. And net fans are just going to keep reacting the way they are until something is done about it.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Thread seems fine to me

[Ror1997]

Thread seems fine to me

Yet for some strange reason its been inviting Net fans over to troll your board.... Hmmm, this is a toughie.