Bledsoe to the Bucks For Monroe/#1 - POLL ADDED

[paulpressey25]

Reminder that Phoenix got Bledsoe when John Hammond said "yeah, we could really use that Caron Butler" and let them have Bledsoe for basically nothing.

I'm the Bledsoe failed trade historian here and need to correct the record.

The Suns got Bledsoe primarily because they were willing to take on Caron's $8 million dollar expiring contract off the Clips hands and we weren't. Herb and Hammy wanted to have cap money handy later that week to pursue free agents such as Teague, ZaZa and Mayo. Couldn't have Caron's deal on our books.

Seven weeks later, once the FA frenzy was over we sent out Ish Smith to acquire Caron Butler and his $8mm contract from the Suns. And the next day I started sketching out the Save Our Bucks website.

[ZeppelinPage]

After watching tonight's game, I'm willing to bet Bledsoe won't help this team that much. The offense, as ugly as it looks sometimes, isn't that bad, and I think Bledsoe is only going to marginally improve it with the offense that is run. The defense though is completely broken and there's no way Bledsoe is going to be able to fix it, as good as he can potentially be defensively.

give us Bledsoe just for dellys minutes we win tonight. the idea he wont help us when we have a 2nd year pg starting and probably out of position..... and the worst backup pg in the league it doesn't even make sense to say he wont help us.

to be good we need to fix the defense 100%... but even if we don't we get better with Bledsoe. my greatest worry is that we improve enough to save kids job but not enough to live up to expectations. that is 100% my worst concern right now.

My current hope is that while we slightly improve our defense still sucks and teams like the Pistons, Knicks and Pacers look better than us -- forcing LED to do something.

[Flap Jackson]

Tjarks with his take on this move for The Ringer: https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/11/7/16620786/eric-bledsoe-bucks-trade-impact

That is an exceptionally well written piece.

[Triple 7]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

[JEIS]

After watching tonight's game, I'm willing to bet Bledsoe won't help this team that much. The offense, as ugly as it looks sometimes, isn't that bad, and I think Bledsoe is only going to marginally improve it with the offense that is run. The defense though is completely broken and there's no way Bledsoe is going to be able to fix it, as good as he can potentially be defensively.

If he takes touches away from low efficiency shooters we will be fine. If he is taking touches away from Giannis you are probably right.

[RiotPunch]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

Something like 16/5/3?

[paulpressey25]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

18/6/5 on 40% shooting and 34% from three.

[DrWood]

The trade is ok, but I don't know if the team got better, unless we can move someone for another C. Bucks 1-4 w/o Monroe.

[HKPackFan]

After watching tonight's game, I'm willing to bet Bledsoe won't help this team that much. The offense, as ugly as it looks sometimes, isn't that bad, and I think Bledsoe is only going to marginally improve it with the offense that is run. The defense though is completely broken and there's no way Bledsoe is going to be able to fix it, as good as he can potentially be defensively.

Our bench just got upgraded. We lost tonights game when Giannis went out and the scrubs turned a 2-4pt game into a much tougher deficit. I don't remember how much the deficit grew by, but it was enough that we couldn't recover and it was all while LBJ was sitting.


The defense is still a dumpster fire, no one can fix that.

[GoodDayLa]

Brogden should be the starter at PG. He puts up good numbers and can space the floor and score efficiency most nights. If Bledsoe walks in and starts at PG, what is so special about him exactly? Can't shoot all that well & Giannis has the ball a lot.

Eric Bledsoe should take all the 6th man minutes imo.

[Pachinko_]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

18/6/5 on 40% shooting and 34% from three.

Ah, so another Brogdon pretty much.

[LogitechBucks]

I would grade this trade a B. I like the increase in talent and am stoked about getting Delly off the court. However, unless we add a legitimate center who can rebound and at least play average defense this move is not going to equate to as many more wins at most think. Thon Maker and John Henson combined for 3 rebounds in 33 minutes tonight. Mugsey Bogues at 5'3" averaged 3 rebounds per game in his first 10 seasons!!!!! Poor defensive rebounding leads to second chance points. This especially stings when you force a poor shot right before the shot clock expires. Poor defensive rebounding also leads to lots of silly fouls. The suggestion that Giannis should play Center is ludicrous. You want him to be sitting on the bench with foul trouble every game? He already is still getting to many unecessary fouls. My prediction is This team will still be fighting to make the 6th seed unless we make another move for a legitimate center.

As for Bledsoe, I use him as our super 6th man like Eric Gordon in Houston. Brogdon has earned his spot in the starting PG position and is a great 3 point shooter compared to Bledsoe. I think if you move Kris Middleton to the bench, you will lose effort and hustle on his part. Chemistry is worth something. Our bench cant score much on its own now, adding Bledsoe there will help all the bench players perform better.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

I think his scoring will be down from last year but he'll rebound really well if they use him properly. He kind of is what he is as a distributer and assists will remain flat or maybe drop a little. Where he can really help is getting to the rim and getting to the line. But he'll have some frustrating turnovers while doing that too. I'm super curious how he looks on d. In general I think he's a little overrated on that side of the ball but that could be a mix of not giving a **** and resting up for offense.

I've seen some play him off the bench talk. I wouldn't do this. I don't think he would take well to it and he's the type you want happy and engaged. I'd move snell to the bench.

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[Ayt]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

18/6/5 on 40% shooting and 34% from three.

Ah, so another Brogdon pretty much.

They are nothing alike. I'm also not sure why PP thinks Bledsoe will shoot only 40% from the floor.

[old skool]

We should remember this trade the next time there is frustration over a lack of roster moves. A lot of people were pulling out their hair this summer over the lack of roster upgrades. But standing pat left the Bucks in position to make this trade when it came about. The front office did not create this trade. Rather, they were in position to take advantage of the fire sale created by the Suns' drama.

Monroe was not an important factor in this trade. He is just one of the more well known names. In reality, he was only included to make salaries match. The Suns dumped Bledsoe for the best combination of (protected) picks they could get - which was not very much. The Suns were just cleaning up their mess that really started with Earl Watson as coach. Bledsoe's discontent was not the only issue facing that team this year.

Monroe is caught in a changing NBA. It's not that he is a bad player, but that he has a skill set that is no longer in vogue.

Monroe was not a long term solution for the Bucks. He was gone at the end of the season, at best. He does not have tremendous value as a player. He has limited value as an expiring contract, and I doubt the Bucks could get a better player for that expiring or for the draft pick, whenever it gets used. Eric Bledsoe is something of a known commodity.

The Bucks could turn their trade exceptions into an asset at the February trade deadline. In a multi-team deal the Bucks could send their TPEs to a team that is over the cap and garner a minor asset in return, or even to dump a bad contract. That is their flexibility moving forward.

The last thing the Bucks need (or want) is a plodding hulk of a center to provide inside muscle. The entire Bucks team is built on being a team of long, mobile multi-position players. It won't work to have four players that fit that mold paired with a plodder that can only clog the middle. The Bucks need center help, but it has to come from someone who fits into the team concept. That's a tall order.

It is amazing how remarkably different the new NBA is, with players suddenly becoming available for reasons that are not driven by team needs. Irving forces his way out of Cleveland. Likewise Paul creates an imperative for the Clippers to move him. Ditto George. And Anthony, while being squeezed out of NYC, controlled his destiny to a great extent. Teams making major moves in reaction to player's wishes, creating unexpected opportunities for others. Modern GMs have to be ready for the unexpected.

[Diggr14]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

18/6/5 on 40% shooting and 34% from three.

So basically Brandon Jennings circa 2011-13 is back, but with bad knees and a worse attitude.

Awesome... wait, shouldn’t they have sent us a 1st to unload that guy onto us????


We got fleeced. Cant believe we gave up a 18M expiring and a 1st for this guy.... horrible trade.

[AussieBuck]

It's interesting to see what we are going to get. I think he'll should safely be at least Monta level on offense but on D it's impossible to tell. Maybe it's age/knees, maybe it's just because he's been on a **** team but he hasn't defended in a fair while. I guess that doesn't overly matter though given the clown show that is this team.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

What is everyone's expectations for Bledsoe? What kind of numbers will he put up with this team?

18/6/5 on 40% shooting and 34% from three.

So basically Brandon Jennings circa 2011-13 is back, but with bad knees and a worse attitude.

Awesome... wait, shouldn’t they have sent us a 1st to unload that guy onto us????


We got fleeced. Cant believe we gave up a 18M expiring and a 1st for this guy.... horrible trade.

I mean the last few years he averaged 20/6/4.5 on a decent TS%...20 PER...was jennings that good?

[Pachinko_]

Well, now that we got more talent we'll see if my theory is correct.
My theory is that it will make very little difference unless our coaching gets better.
I don't think we know what to do with talent at the moment.

Trust me, I want to be wrong.

[Fotis St]

As for Bledsoe, I use him as our super 6th man like Eric Gordon in Houston. Brogdon has earned his spot in the starting PG position and is a great 3 point shooter compared to Bledsoe. I think if you move Kris Middleton to the bench, you will lose effort and hustle on his part. Chemistry is worth something. Our bench cant score much on its own now, adding Bledsoe there will help all the bench players perform better.

My first thought is to bench Khris. His playmaking isn't needed when you have Bledsoe,Giannis,Brogdon in the starting line-up.

Khris can create his own shot and take Monroe's role as 6th man. He can playmake for the 2nd squad. Pistons did it last year with Tobias Harris last season. He was leading their team in points playing like a 6th man.