China cancels NBA stuff / Silver issues statement (pg1) /Ongoing discussion...

[Swish1906]

Your analogy is wrong, it is similar to the German sensitivity to Nazism, banning it practically outright even though Neo-Nazism is protected under free speech in all other Western countries, America included.

Wrong on so many levels...

[Zvaart]

I grew up under a communist regime, spent the first 16 years of my life like that till the Iron Courtain felt.

Till 1977 we had the Russian model, and afterwards, following a visit in China and North Korea, our president was impressed by what he saw there and applied it also in Romania. It was more drastic than before.

So to all that are defending the Chinese regime without knowing what communism really is, i just wish you would experience it at least for a year before you talk about it.

It is easy to speak from outside.

In my opinion, NBA should say a big F.U. to China and leave them without their product. it is a shame they bend over for a regime that don't give a fkuc about democracy and human rights.

[Swish1906]

In my opinion, NBA should say a gig F.U. to China and leave them without their product. it is a shame they bend over for a regime that don't give a fkuc about democracy and human rights.

They are just terrified about the consequences.

If they give an official FU, im pretty sure the chinese government would force the companies immediatly to cancel the production and shipping of every NBA related product. Jerseys, general merchandise etc etc....

I would love to see this and how it plays out but at the end the NBA is a product where the main players (NBA itself, owner, players) are in for the money and not for the moral.

[SecondTake]

Silver is disgusting. Stop promoting your bs pro democracy viewpoints while you lose billions of dollars for your company. I hope China gets him replaced and we get someone with actual respect for political diversity in the world

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[Zvaart]

In my opinion, NBA should say a gig F.U. to China and leave them without their product. it is a shame they bend over for a regime that don't give a fkuc about democracy and human rights.

They are just terrified about the consequences.

If they give an official FU, im pretty sure the chinese government would force the companies immediatly to cancel the production and shipping of every NBA related product. Jerseys, general merchandise etc etc....

I would love to see this and how it plays out but at the end the NBA is a product where the main players (NBA itself, owner, players) are in for the money and not for the moral.

There are alternatives and i am not sure they can get out of some signed contracts just like that.
it's a shame to let them trying to censor free speech outside their borders like this.

[Gooner]

I'm just waiting for revolutionary LeBron James to say anything. Isn't he more than an athlete? Modern day Muhammad Ali, they say.

Stop derailing the thread. -Dome

[patman52]

From yesterday:

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While there is a good point about the NBA and Adam Silver bending over backwards for China is unexcusable. I don't understand the finger point to Kerr, Pop or Lebron for not commenting on a crisis happening outside the U.S., unless the issue in Hong Kong is different from all other international incidents that happen outside the U.S. that those 3 people in question haven't commented on.

Trying to tie the issues Lebron, Kerr & Pop made comments on in the past as hypocritical, is extremely suspect to me and I feel go beyond the issue with Morey being silenced by the NBA.

Like someone was waiting for that "Aha!" moment, to delegitimize the issue those three men did bring up.

Maybe, I'm missing something and someone can clarify why Lebron, Pop & Kerr should speak up about this and the fact they haven't "immediately" made a statement is hypocritical.

Because this has to do with the NBA and thier business with a repressive dictatorship. I am a progressive and dislike Trump, But Americans should never not speak out when peoples freedom where they do business is concerned. But what the hell, they don't say anything about thier logo being sewn on by children either.

[Kordic27]

All seems so hostile why is the league risking even playing over there? Take a hit and bring the players back home

Yeah - I hope the players are safe.

i hope the Chinese do something stupid so they are exposed as the very thing everyone is accusing them of.

Personally think that the Chinese reactions (cancelling games/events, threats, etc) is stupid enough. I mean, surely any fence sitters are pro HK/ anti China now?

[Clay Davis]

If you count the Ottoman Empire a European Empire sure.

i laughed at that one bro, where'd you get that one from Benny Shapiro or Steven Crowturd?

Ok maybe not Afghanistan but Palestine , Syria , Iraq , Yemen absoutely yes:

You blame the Ottoman Empire for British and American supported ethnostates in Israel and a despotic tyranny in Saudi Arabia committing ethnic cleansing and killing civilians en masse?

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[QRich3]

It's very easy for someone with no real stakes to come in to a basketball forum and demand a loud FU from Silver, but that would be a really irresponsible thing to do, and not a realistic reaction. When there is a lot of money at stake, there is also a lot of people's livelihoods at stake, and big ripple effects from decisions like that. In reality you have to tread very carefully, and attributing that tact to simply greed is shortsighted imo. You can't just insult a whole country out of principle, and forget about the consequences.

About standing up for human rights, it's not the NBA's job to do that, when the government of their country, or pretty much any other 1st world country, isn't even doing it. And yet they've come as close as telling the Chinese government to go take a hike as anyone has.

I thought Silver handled it as well as it could possibly be handled, to be honest.

And I think most current critics against him, or Kerr and Popovich by extension, clearly come from some agenda from some other issue.

[pootbrah]

Profits vs the betterment of mankind so wow im very impressed with Silve here

[patman52]

you know what's hysterical about all of this? Cato institute did a freedom index study in which HK placed THIRD in the world...the US placed...17th:



full report: https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/human-freedom-index-files/human-freedom-index-2018-revised.pdf

highest freedom level on the economic freedom scale...THAT is actually the HKers are protesting (wealth gap is running rampant, but I digress).

the hypocrisy levels are at an all time high I see.

The Thirteen Colonies would've ranked high on a freedom index in 1775.

Well, how so? They were under control of a nation 3000 miles away who taxed them and did not allow them to vote on said taxes. They were occupied by a foreign army of 14,000 German troops . The only people who could vote in local elections were White males who were property owners. and 1/5th of the people in the country were slaves.

[CelticsLV]

Now you can see how capitalism can be easily bent over by communism/capitalism hybrid monster that is China. China can immediately cut any ties but their businesses and people just have to silently swallow the losses under the strict communism rule. In USA you immediately have chain reaction that impacts businesses, people and their interests on every level that can't be just brushed under the carpet. The whole thing turns into **** show.

China is holding USA and Europe firmly by the ass cheeks. Sad but reality.

[ProspectPark]

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[bulliedog8]

I grew up under a communist regime, spent the first 16 years of my life like that till the Iron Courtain felt.

Till 1977 we had the Russian model, and afterward, after a visit in China and North Korea, our president was impressed by what he saw there and applied it also in Romania. It was more drastic than before.

So to all that are defending the Chinese regime without knowing what communism really is, i just wish you would experience it at least for a year before you talk about it.

It is easy to speak from outside.

In my opinion, NBA should say a gig F.U. to China and leave them without their product. it is a shame they bend over for a regime that don't give a fkuc about democracy and human rights.

You would think people can even slightly UNDERSTAND how/why communism is bad. AMERICANS (the nba) are afraid to speak up against China because of the potential bachlash, and now there are talks of getting nba teams to leave china because security reasons. If you are American and in america, yet you are afraid to speak out against a communist government, imagine actually living IN that country. Ya America has issues we can fix, but people overall dont seem to realize how lucky we have it here.

[bulliedog8]

It's very easy for someone with no real stakes to come in to a basketball forum and demand a loud FU from Silver, but that would be a really irresponsible thing to do, and not a realistic reaction. When there is a lot of money at stake, there is also a lot of people's livelihoods at stake, and big ripple effects from decisions like that. In reality you have to tread very carefully, and attributing that tact to simply greed is shortsighted imo. You can't just insult a whole country out of principle, and forget about the consequences.

About standing up for human rights, it's not the NBA's job to do that, when the government of their country, or pretty much any other 1st world country, isn't even doing it. And yet they've come as close as telling the Chinese government to go take a hike as anyone has.

I thought Silver handled it as well as it could possibly be handled, to be honest.

And I think most current critics against him, or Kerr and Popovich by extension, clearly come from some agenda from some other issue.

I agree with the bold 100%. But the fact that they love to do it with every other issue, but not now. People dont like the hypocrisy. The big difference now is money. Shows they dont actually care about the stuff they yell at the world about when their money is on the line.

[LofJ]

China needs to stop trying to bully people around using their influence. You canceling activities in your own country is going to upset your own citizens, too.

The underlying story here is that we shouldnt even be there. They are harvesting peoples organs and killing people in concentration camps, and they have the audicity to cry about an accurate comment made about what is going on in Hong Kong. FOH. Good. Cancel all NBA activities there.

Money talks, dude. The NBA would probably do an NBA cares event inside those concentration camps if the price were right.

Still crazy how east Asian countries view Islam as being inherently evil.

Have you stepped foot in rural America anytime lately? Or heck rural Europe as well? Their opinions aren't any different, there's more than enough bigotry to go around.

[Forte IV]

I really have a bad feeling about all this

[JeepCSC]

Which are? Again idk if you think your post makes sense but be assured it doesn't. I still have no idea as to what you're even hinting to.

I specifically mentioned your differentiating Han and non-Han when it comes to speaking about issues. I feel like you are only half paying attention to what you write, and I’m being generous.

[mathgeek]

If the NBA severs its ties with China they still have india and other asian countries that could manufacture goods and other things for cheap. They just won't be flooded with rich Chinese trying to launder their money and it might take a while to set up the proper logistics channels. China is developing fast and their cost of living is increasing substantially and eventually they won't be the manufacturing giant they used to be.

As for the HK protests my thing is if the world accepts that HK people are historically Chinese and do not want to separate then there's no room to have 2 systems they have to accept big daddy's dictatorship eventually.