Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[DT RAW]

just a horrible post that i wish i never had to read

Well I am sorry that speaking the truth upsets you. The truth over the last few years seems to always upset ben simmons fans and brett brown fans. Doesn't change it being the truth

[VDT]

Simmons is not going to get you much in a trade. Harris and Horford will require assets to trade. You can try to trade everyone for mostly expirings and have cap space in a couple of years. What then? You will have wasted two years and Embiid will be in his last year. What if you cant find a star that is a better fit or what if you cant get any star in free agency?

[Bum Adebayo]

I still am shocked at how many fans still want to build around both simmons and embiid.

Simmons has been in the league 4 years now I believe? He is arguably no better if not worse at every offensive facet of the game than he was coming into the league. Yes his defense is great, but as we've seen, defense is way more about scheme and coaching players to be in the right spots than it is about individual talent

That boston celtics team with kemba walker, heyward, and theis/kanter in their starting 5 is a better defensive team both in the regular season AND the playoffs than us.. and we have 3 times the talent defensively as them.

Defense is so overated in the NBA when it comes to an individual player's attributes and is all about the coach, his scheme, working hard, and being in the right places.

Trade simmons before his value tanks EVEN MORE, and build around embiid. Stop with this nonsense of building around a player that can not play bball in the half court.

2 years ago we could have got Booker for Simmons, with a lot attached to it. Now Phoenix would hang up on us in a 1 for 1 trade.

How much more are we willing to watch Ben's value drop? We are now seeing signs of injury risk on top of it.

STOP THE RIDICULOUSNESS. Swallow your pride. Fire this god awful coach, get rid of this horrific GM, Trade harris and horford and jrich, trade simmons. Build around Embiid.

otherwise enjoy as we get worse and worse, and embiid eventually leaves, and simmons in 2 years is Tobias Harris in terms of untradeability

Agree for the most part, but you need to understand that Simmons is coming from an injury and it's not the first serious injury he's had, his trade value is not very high right now. If trading Simmons lands you a very good player, then yeah, by all means, but I doubt it at this point.
If you want a quick fix, it has to involve trading Embiid, since he is very valuable right now in terms of trade value. If you want a more steady approach, then yeah, wait 1 year and see how good Simmons is under a new coach, try to gauge if he is a stat padder that is unplayable in playoffs against good teams or if he is truly a winning player on a championship team. If it's the former, his trade value will be fairly high regardless, as potential and youth are rewarded; if it's the later you obviously keep him.

The problem is, his trade value is only going to go down from here, not up. So the longer we wait, the worse his value is. The other option is trading Embiid and the other mentioned players and building around Simmons.

The reason I dont like that 2nd option is Ben Simmons is not a winning playoff basketball player. You can not win in today's NBA without the ability to create your own shot off the dribble and shoot the basketball. Ben is never going to get that in his game, ever.

The idea of trading Embiid is to get a player that can create his shot, you wouldn't necessarily build around Ben, he could just be a complimentary player if he doesn't improve.

[RodyTur10]

Need to trade Embiid or Simmons.

Embiid Trade:

Heat In

Embiid

Heat Out

Bam
Herro
Robinson
Olynyk
1st Round Pick

Pelicans In:

Olynyk
Mike Scott
Herro
Heat 1st

Pelicans Out:

Jrue Holiday

Sixers In:

Jrue Holiday
Bam
Robinson

Sixers Out:

Embiid
Mike Scott
-------------------
Trade Horford/2020 1st for Eric Gordon


PG- Jrue Holiday, Shake Milton
SG- Josh Richardson, Eric Gordon
SF- Tobias Harris, Matisse
PF- Ben Simmons, Duncan Robinson
C- Bam Adebeyo


Need to either surround Ben or Joel with shooters. These trades kind of leave a depressing roster, and one that has to be paid next summer. Doesn't look good to me.

Miami Heat is never going to accept that offer. Even if Bam's value is probably a bit inflated right now, I wouldn't blame them for turning that down.

[davesilver]

I am looking at some contracts in the league and I think Eric Gordon is a guy we should target for Al.

The trade would look like this:
PHL out: Al + Shake + Matisse + future 1st round pick + 36
HOU out: Gordon + Roco + Rivers

Gordon's contract:
21/22: 18.2m
22/23: 19.5m
23/24: 20.9m

Al's contract:
21/22 - 27m
22/23 - 26m

The beauty is only 14.5m of Al's 22-23 year is guaranteed if they win the championship.

Contractually, the Rockets would benefit shedding the 23/24 year of Gordon's contract (which is also escalating vs Al's declining structure). They would gain a center that can shoot the 3 and defend in a conference with dominant big men (AD, Kristaps, JJJ, etc). I honestly think Al would flourish in the Rocket's system.

They'd also gain a young player that fits the 3+D mold of the Rockets system with Matisse that I'm sure Morey would be intrigued by. I see the weak part of the deal in giving up Roco's contract, hence the draft capital.

Philly obviously benefits gaining a vet sniper in Gordon (although on the decline) and bringing Roco home. I think Rivers could be a backup guard on a championship team.

New lineups would look like this:
HOU:
Russ - Harden - Matisse - PJ - Al
Shake/Backup - Mclemore - Mbah

PHL:
Ben - Gordon - Roco - Tobias - Embiid
Jrich - Furkan - Burks

I'd argue Rockets get younger and better.
Philly looks way better.
Win for both teams.

I'd then look at a Jrich + Zhaire for Dinwiddie swap.
Ben - Dinwiddie - Roco - Tobias - Embiid
#21 - Gordon - Burks

[Arsenal]

Maybe Charlotte is a good option:

Sixers trade / Hornets receive:
PF Tobias Harris
CE Al Horford
SG Zhaire Smith

Hornets trade / Sixers receive:
PG Terry Rozier
CE Cody Zeller
SF Nicolas Batum

Batum is total dead weight and provides nothing, but he only has 1 year left on his contract.
Rozier fills a void at PG.
Zeller is a decent backup CE.

Sixers lineup:
PG Rozier | #21
SG Richardson | Shake
SF Thybulle | Kork | Batum
PF Simmons | Scott
CE Embiid | Zeller

Hornets get 2 "win now" veterans to help their young guys make a playoff push.

Hornets lineup:
PG Ball (#3) | Monk
SG Graham | Bacon
SF Washington | Bridges
PF Harris | McDaniels
CE Horford | Hernangomez

Overall we prob don't take a step forward next year, but at least we get somewhat better fitting pieces and most importantly contracts that are MUCH shorter (1 yr for Batum and Zeller, 2 yrs for Rozier). Allows a soft reset and some cap flexibility in summer 2021.

[Arsenal]

Or if Charlotte won't do that larger deal, just trade Harris straight up for Batum. The expiring contract and 20-21 season cap savings make it worth it for us even if Batum never plays a minute.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Or if Charlotte won't do that larger deal, just trade Harris straight up for Batum. The expiring contract and 20-21 season cap savings make it worth it for us even if Batum never plays a minute.

OK...but why would Charlotte do that? I know Tobias Harris isn't just an overpaid slug. He's got some game to him. He can get you 20 ppg, 8 rebounds and be a key piece on a team vying for the 7/8 seed in the playoffs. Charlotte seems only interested in being a fringe playoff team. But why...if Batum is coming off the books and freeing up a ton of money would they deal him for Harris just to be locked into his contract for another five years? They would really have to believe that Tobias Harris could be a key piece to their future which right now is basically Devonte Graham and whoever they draft with the third pick. It's not an unrealistic trade, I just am unsure why Charlotte would do that. How does it benefit them? That's the way I try to look at these trade scenarios. How does acquiring an albatross of a contract such as Harris' benefit the team doing so? There's no denying his talent and at his age he still might possibly be able to improve. He definitely fits on the Charlotte roster, but would they do this? If so, sign me up. I don't care if Batum plays a minute for this franchise.

[VDT]

I am not sure Embiid and Simmons will be pleased with trades that make the team worse even if it is for future flexibility. Trading Harris for Batum will be a tough sell to them.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I am not sure Embiid and Simmons will be pleased with trades that make the team worse even if it is for future flexibility. Trading Harris for Batum will be a tough sell to them.

That's what I was thinking. Me personally I would do the deal just to rid us of his contract. Not sure Ben and Joel are going to like it, and they are ones to try and keep happy. That too, is something that needs to be considered in all of this.

[Arsenal]

I am not sure Embiid and Simmons will be pleased with trades that make the team worse even if it is for future flexibility. Trading Harris for Batum will be a tough sell to them.

That's where it helps having a GM with some intelligence and communication skills. You have to sell them on it.

Both of them are smart guys so it really wouldn't be that hard for someone competent to get them to understand the plan. That unfortunately rules out the current "brain trust" though.

[Arsenal]

Or if Charlotte won't do that larger deal, just trade Harris straight up for Batum. The expiring contract and 20-21 season cap savings make it worth it for us even if Batum never plays a minute.

OK...but why would Charlotte do that? I know Tobias Harris isn't just an overpaid slug. He's got some game to him. He can get you 20 ppg, 8 rebounds and be a key piece on a team vying for the 7/8 seed in the playoffs. Charlotte seems only interested in being a fringe playoff team. But why...if Batum is coming off the books and freeing up a ton of money would they deal him for Harris just to be locked into his contract for another five years? They would really have to believe that Tobias Harris could be a key piece to their future which right now is basically Devonte Graham and whoever they draft with the third pick. It's not an unrealistic trade, I just am unsure why Charlotte would do that. How does it benefit them? That's the way I try to look at these trade scenarios. How does acquiring an albatross of a contract such as Harris' benefit the team doing so? There's no denying his talent and at his age he still might possibly be able to improve. He definitely fits on the Charlotte roster, but would they do this? If so, sign me up. I don't care if Batum plays a minute for this franchise.

I already explained why for Charlotte. They are the type of team that chases the 6-8 seed. This deal allows them to do just that. Plus the long-term contracts are less of a problem for them, as flexibility doesn't mean as much when you probably can't get better players in free agency anyway.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Or if Charlotte won't do that larger deal, just trade Harris straight up for Batum. The expiring contract and 20-21 season cap savings make it worth it for us even if Batum never plays a minute.

OK...but why would Charlotte do that? I know Tobias Harris isn't just an overpaid slug. He's got some game to him. He can get you 20 ppg, 8 rebounds and be a key piece on a team vying for the 7/8 seed in the playoffs. Charlotte seems only interested in being a fringe playoff team. But why...if Batum is coming off the books and freeing up a ton of money would they deal him for Harris just to be locked into his contract for another five years? They would really have to believe that Tobias Harris could be a key piece to their future which right now is basically Devonte Graham and whoever they draft with the third pick. It's not an unrealistic trade, I just am unsure why Charlotte would do that. How does it benefit them? That's the way I try to look at these trade scenarios. How does acquiring an albatross of a contract such as Harris' benefit the team doing so? There's no denying his talent and at his age he still might possibly be able to improve. He definitely fits on the Charlotte roster, but would they do this? If so, sign me up. I don't care if Batum plays a minute for this franchise.

I already explained why for Charlotte. They are the type of team that chases the 6-8 seed. This deal allows them to do just that. Plus the long-term contracts are less of a problem for them, as flexibility doesn't mean as much when you probably can't get better players in free agency anyway.

Fair enough, it kind of echoed the assumption I made in my previous post. Batum definitely rids of us this awful contract and situation with Harris, but does Batum give us anything at all on the court? He's 31, he's had some injuries, he's been an overrated defender the majority of his career. He really can't be counted on at all. I'm fine with this idea, but the "good" production that Harris gave us would have to come from somewhere else. You would hope that Simmons would take more shots in this instance and assert himself given that he would basically have no choice in the matter. Richardson too...More scoring from him, Shake to a lesser extent.

[youngcrev]

Give me a lineup of Embiid, Simmons, Thybulle, a point guard that can point (whatever that means) and a shooting guard that can shoot and I'm good.

[VDT]

I am not sure Embiid and Simmons will be pleased with trades that make the team worse even if it is for future flexibility. Trading Harris for Batum will be a tough sell to them.

That's where it helps having a GM with some intelligence and communication skills. You have to sell them on it.O
Both of them are smart guys so it really wouldn't be that hard for someone competent to get them to understand the plan. That unfortunately rules out the current "brain trust" though.

Saying we are going to get worse for the next x years so that after that we have cap space is hard sell not only because they are gonna waste x years of their careers in their prime but also because the team had cap space just this summer and didnt do anything with it.

Besides a Batum for Harris trade doesnt open cap space . With the shrinking cap you would also need to trade Horford for shorter contracts to open up enough space for an impact player.

[Sam Hinkie]

I think I have a good deal assuming Charlotte would take on Tobias for being able to dump Zeller/Batum's expirings.

Phi In:

Chris Paul
JJ Redick
Nicolo Meli

Phi Out:

Tobias Harris
Al Horford
Matisse Thybulle
Zhaire Smith

CHA In:

Tobias Harris
Darius Miller (Expiring)

CHA Out:

Batum (Expiring)
Zeller (Expiring)

OKC In:

Zhaire Smith
Zeller (Expiring)
Batum (Expiring)

OKC Out:

Chris Paul

NOP In:

Al Horford
Matisse Thybulle

NOP Out:

JJ Redick
Darius Miller

-----------------------------
New Lineup:

PG- Chris Paul, Shake Milton
SG- JJ Redick, Furkan Korkmaz
SF- Josh Richardson
PF- Ben Simmons, Mike Scott
C- Embiid, Meli


Saves the Sixers a lot of money and I think the team is much better, and offers flexibility in the future. Probably need to add one shot creator off the bench.

[Whole Truth]

I am not sure Embiid and Simmons will be pleased with trades that make the team worse even if it is for future flexibility. Trading Harris for Batum will be a tough sell to them.

That's where it helps having a GM with some intelligence and communication skills. You have to sell them on it.O
Both of them are smart guys so it really wouldn't be that hard for someone competent to get them to understand the plan. That unfortunately rules out the current "brain trust" though.

Saying we are going to get worse for the next x years so that after that we have cap space is hard sell not only because they are gonna waste x years of their careers in their prime but also because the team had cap space just this summer and didnt do anything with it.

Besides a Batum for Harris trade doesnt open cap space . With the shrinking cap you would also need to trade Horford for shorter contracts to open up enough space for an impact player.

Would you consider - (Deing, Winslow) for (Hordord, 2020 #21 & a future first protected?)

Dieng is obviously not as good as Horford but is a defensive 3 & D big on an expiring contract who can effectively backup Embiid. Winslow has injury concern but is a good young player big defender, if healthy. He has a team option making him potentially an expiring contract. If Winslow can't suit up for Philly the deal at it's worse is 20m expiring for an ageing bad contract with Horford in his 30's.

If you could move Harris for Batum as suggested, it could potentially open space for targeting Giannis?.

[youngcrev]

I don't think giving up multiple 1st round picks to get out of the Horford contract is wise

[youngcrev]

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/fixthesixers

Mike O'Connor's deals:

Horford, Richardson, OKC 1st, 2 2nds
For
Redick, Ball, Miller and Jackson

Horford, Richardson, 2 2nds
For
Hield, Joseph

Horford
For
Eric Gordon

He'd also trade Tobias for anything but Wiggins

[Kobblehead]

Holy crap, those Pelicans and Kings deals are pure garbage.