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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#901 » by Eyeamok » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:42 pm

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kriss73 wrote:It fells like the Sixers are 6-0 this round: the beat the Hawks 3 times and they beat themselves 3 times.

Digging a grave tio themselves in game 1, and blowing away 2 leads in game 4 and 5 (the last one historical at home).

I'm not a great T.Young fan: I get the logo's threes and the p&r with Capela....but we should attach him on evrey possession when he is on defense.
The last 2 games of the serie are the only one in which he had a positive +/-. 2 out o 6.

The Hawks can defend well as a team for short stretches and they can go hot from 3 .
This and our low IQ as a team it's why this serie is still open and it could still go south.

Hacking Capela should definitely become an integral part of the team's late-game strategy. There's no reason we should be allowing 3P shots from good shooters in those situations when Capela is likely to convert only one point from the FT line. Blow him out of the game with that strategy and then go to Embiid down low against a rummy offensively.


Can someone text Coach Rivers or e-mail or hit him up on any social network platform and let him know. Please !!!
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#902 » by Eyeamok » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:51 pm

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You run what gets you here. And just be aware of the counters you can do if what you’re running isnt working.

You still start Ben. You let him do his job. If offense is hard to come by, then you make changes.

I dont agree with running with your best option from the get go. What happens when its being denied or if its not working? What will be your back-up?

I like how Doc is running things. For instance end of game, his philosophy is.. if Ben makes his FTs, he stays. If Ben hurts the team with missing those shots, then he leaves the court.

G5, to end the game Thybulle run with the starters. It hurt us. G6, he let GHill run with the starters. Then he let Maxey run with the starters.

He paired seth and tobi with the bench unit. Then when Maxey was in a roll, he then paired Maxey and Tobi with the bench unit. That allows Seth to be paired with Biid and Ben.

G6, he gave Tobi a bigger role. By crunch time, Biid was struggling. It allowed us to rely on Tobi down the stretch.

As a coach you need to know ALL the hands you can play and when to play them. That separates amateurs like Brett and pros like Doc.

Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.


Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.


You are absolutely right trust is a big factor. But Ben's confidence might already be broken, it's not a good look to be replaced by a rookie in a playoff game because you can't be trusted at the free throw line. The Hawks have singled him out as the weakest link and he has obliged. Cameras focused on him sitting on the bench in crunch time has to hurt his pride. And this might actually be the thing that get's Ben of his ass and makes him go improve himself.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#903 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:52 pm

76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
76ciology wrote:


You run what gets you here. And just be aware of the counters you can do if what you’re running isnt working.

You still start Ben. You let him do his job. If offense is hard to come by, then you make changes.

I dont agree with running with your best option from the get go. What happens when its being denied or if its not working? What will be your back-up?

I like how Doc is running things. For instance end of game, his philosophy is.. if Ben makes his FTs, he stays. If Ben hurts the team with missing those shots, then he leaves the court.

G5, to end the game Thybulle run with the starters. It hurt us. G6, he let GHill run with the starters. Then he let Maxey run with the starters.

He paired seth and tobi with the bench unit. Then when Maxey was in a roll, he then paired Maxey and Tobi with the bench unit. That allows Seth to be paired with Biid and Ben.

G6, he gave Tobi a bigger role. By crunch time, Biid was struggling. It allowed us to rely on Tobi down the stretch.

As a coach you need to know ALL the hands you can play and when to play them. That separates amateurs like Brett and pros like Doc.

Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.


Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.

That I could go for if we were in the middle of the regular season.

In a win or go home game, no. You don't think longer-term effects on the team when the issue at hand may span no more than a single high-stakes game.

We can think "Ben and the team" and "trust" next year. In this game you go out there with what's worked and what will inspire this team emotionally to play its best.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#904 » by Eyeamok » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:02 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.


Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.

That I could go for if we were in the middle of the regular season.

In a win or go home game, no. You don't think longer-term effects on the team when the issue at hand may span no more than a single high-stakes game.

We can think "Ben and the team" and "trust" next year. In this game you go out there with what's worked and what will inspire this team emotionally to play its best.


I hear you but it's a delicate balance. Win and you still have another series to play and you need your team intact.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#905 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:19 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.

That I could go for if we were in the middle of the regular season.

In a win or go home game, no. You don't think longer-term effects on the team when the issue at hand may span no more than a single high-stakes game.

We can think "Ben and the team" and "trust" next year. In this game you go out there with what's worked and what will inspire this team emotionally to play its best.


I hear you but it's a delicate balance. Win and you still have another series to play and you need your team intact.

Giving too many minutes in a win or go home game to a player who undermines the best efforts of his teammates is precisely what could tip the balance the wrong direction.

We're at the point now where the whole world knows what Ben Simmons is, including his teammates. It's up to the coach to protect the team and give it the best chance to win in a win or go home game. If they win and the reset button is pushed, we can take it from there and reassess.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#906 » by 76ciology » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:00 pm

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76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.


Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.

That I could go for if we were in the middle of the regular season.

In a win or go home game, no. You don't think longer-term effects on the team when the issue at hand may span no more than a single high-stakes game.

We can think "Ben and the team" and "trust" next year. In this game you go out there with what's worked and what will inspire this team emotionally to play its best.


I hope you dont get offended and take my opinion as something for discussion.

But the things you’re suggesting is more of a do or die quarter than a do or die game.

If Ben is struggling, limit his minutes but dont do something that drastic like benching him. It would also mess up the entire team’s rotation, pace, rhythm and scheme.

If you’re familiar with the Warriors’ deathball with Iggy. They dont use that line-up from the get go. But rather they use that line-up, when they need to use it. You have to know how to manage your cards and know when to play them.

I know Maxey is getting a lot of love from last game. But we don’t have much sample size that he can keep it up. Can he do that with a larger usage and minutes? Those are things you also have to consider.
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Re: The Playoffs Thread 

Post#907 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:19 pm

76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.

That I could go for if we were in the middle of the regular season.

In a win or go home game, no. You don't think longer-term effects on the team when the issue at hand may span no more than a single high-stakes game.

We can think "Ben and the team" and "trust" next year. In this game you go out there with what's worked and what will inspire this team emotionally to play its best.


I hope you dont get offended and take my opinion as something for discussion.

But the things you’re suggesting is more of a do or die quarter than a do or die game.

If Ben is struggling, limit his minutes but dont do something that drastic like benching him. It would also mess up the entire team’s rotation, pace, rhythm and scheme.

If you’re familiar with the Warriors’ deathball with Iggy. They dont use that line-up from the get go. But rather they use that line-up, when they need to use it. You have to know how to manage your cards and know when to play them.

I know Maxey is getting a lot of love from last game. But we don’t have much sample size that he can keep it up. Can he do that with a larger usage and minutes? Those are things you also have to consider.

No offense taken at all. It looks like maybe we disagree about the effect of Simmons on the team at present. My take on the current situation is that Simmons is losing the team games, and everybody on the team knows it. That's not somebody you can play much in a do-or-die game in my opinion.

If you give him significant minutes in such a game, you're essentially saying that some abstract thing (Simmons's confidence, team cohesion physically [not emotionally] speaking, the "appearance" of it, etc.) is more important than the entire season of work these players have put in, and their hopes for a championship on the basis of it. That's not a wise move in my opinion. That's a good way to lose a team as a coach.

I'll bet you any amount of money this team has more respect for Doc Rivers and will play harder for him from here forward because he had the balls to sit Simmons as much as he did Friday.
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Post#908 » by sodmoraes » Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:59 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Part of the issue here however is that the team needs inspiration emotionally, and you stand to flatten them if you implement an approach that's already proven itself a failure time and time again. That's where the team is at this point with running the half-court offense through Simmons in my opinion. He's now become not only a ball and chain in terms of his performance, but also in terms of his effect on the team emotionally.

And that stands to reason, because if there's somebody on the floor who undermines even your best efforts at winning, and you feel helpless to overcome their effects, the expected response is to become emotionally flat and defeated. That's when you need your coach to step in and do what's right for the team. Certainly you don't have the power yourself to determine who is and isn't on the floor.


Listen to what doc says during game and post games.

He talks about trust.

Pregame to G6 he talked about a player struggling now does not mean he’s gonna struggle the next game.

You can’t just remove Ben’s role. It’s gonna break his confidence and it also does not look good for the entire locker room.

Run the same stuff. If Ben hurts your chance to win the game, then you let Maxey or Milton or GHill play more minutes.

If you put guys in the doghouse just because he’s struggling, you risk people not having the courage to step up. The reason why Maxey and Tobi were able to step up was because Doc let them know he trusts them.

Tilt. You can’t play the next game when you’re tilted from the previous game.

The right way to run it is to be aware of all the cards you can play, and know when is the right moment to play those cards.


You are absolutely right trust is a big factor. But Ben's confidence might already be broken, it's not a good look to be replaced by a rookie in a playoff game because you can't be trusted at the free throw line. The Hawks have singled him out as the weakest link and he has obliged. Cameras focused on him sitting on the bench in crunch time has to hurt his pride. And this might actually be the thing that get's Ben of his ass and makes him go improve himself.
I agree. I dont belive in Ben's improving his jumper anymore, i have been fooled many times already . But if we ever see an improvement it will be after this offseason, because this year he became a fool, to everybody see, with this hack a ben strategy. If he has any pride he will become a better shooter next year.

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Post#909 » by Sixteen » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:55 am

PJ Tucker looks pretty good. He's playing physical defense and we definitely could've used him for this series.
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Post#910 » by Sixteen » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:00 am

Giannis needs more moves
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Post#911 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:01 am

Phila Tough wrote:PJ Tucker looks pretty good. He's playing physical defense and we definitely could've used him for this series.


He, like a lot of other big contributors in the playoffs, are considered “washed” because they don’t care when they are on garbage teams in the meaningless regular season.
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Post#912 » by Sixersftw » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:04 am

Every giannis shot made ends in me yelling something about Ben being a coward
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Post#913 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:31 am

Feel like the Nets are getting all the calls/no-calls this game
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Post#914 » by eyeatoma » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:37 am

Who do we want guys? Nets or Bucks?

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Post#915 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:40 am

eyeatoma wrote:Who do we want guys? Nets or Bucks?

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Post#916 » by okboomer » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:43 am

Jrue is going to lose this game for the Bucks. Just clanking shots.

Well he just made a massive trace.
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Post#917 » by Murray_17 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:43 am

eyeatoma wrote:Who do we want guys? Nets or Bucks?

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I think, honestly, we can beat the Bucks but want the Nets :lol:

Also, if Ben is trash Giannis cannot be good. It's how we achieve balance in the universe
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Post#918 » by eyeatoma » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:44 am

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eyeatoma wrote:Who do we want guys? Nets or Bucks?

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Bucks fans are more annoying. Nets fans don't exist.

If we're going to be miserable, Bucks fans have to be as well. It's how the universe works.
Sooo... Nets...

And for matchup purposes?

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Post#919 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:47 am

Murray_17 wrote:Also, if Ben is trash Giannis cannot be good. It's how we achieve balance in the universe


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Post#920 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:47 am

eyeatoma wrote:And for matchup purposes?


Not operating on the assumption that we'll win

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