Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Darthlukey]

I am trying to see this thru Philly lenses. If I am trading Simmons. What do I want to help me win a championship? I need a facilitator who can run my offense and be able to guard his position. That should be #1. Brogdon or Fox seems the best options. Is Fox available? I can't see Siakam or another forward of that caliber being much interest to Philly.

Is Brogdon, Warren, 2022 1st rd pick appealing to Philly for Simmons and Maxey?

Is Fox, Barnes, 1st rd pick from Sac appealing?

It will probably take a 3rd team maybe a 4th.

Philly would be mad to include Maxey in that deal. But Brog, Warren and 1st seems like fair value to me. But I suspect 6ers fans wouldn't too keen

Also love Fox, Barnes and 1st (if I was Philly I would take that deal and run, again sans Maxey)

[MoneyTalks41890]

OKC wouldn’t trade Giddey for Simmons. I’d trade the above picks without Giddey.

Wouldn't having Giddey on the team with Simmons just hurt his exposure/development?

I kind of think you want to move one for the other to maintain value but sure, I think Philly would just take picks.

I think this ship has sailed. I probably would’ve traded 6 for Ben, but now OKC has committed to Giddey. And the fit really isn’t there as you say. But I also think bringing Simmons drama to OKC doesn’t fit the culture. I really like the player, but it’s hard to deny he’s dramatic.

[zimpy27]

If they're keeping KAT and ANT who the heck are they trading for him?

Wolves: we want Simmons, a super talented but very flawed player

Philly: Ok, what you got?

Wolves: You can have anything except KAT, Edwards or DLo.

Philly: So you can offer us a platter of mediocre players and a bunch of picks that in theory are low in value cos as a team you will be stronger

Wolves: Yup

Phill: ........... we'll take it

FTFY


Jokes aside, I do think Minny have interesting pieces that aren't those 4. McDaniels, Vanderbilt (SnT), Reid, Beverley, Beasley. Then they have the picks. Future picks would be central to this deal so that Philly can offer them for another player when they become available for trade.

[patman66]

he will report and get a back spasm, or ruin the lockeroom, It is easy to say you wont report when he can exert more force by being disruptive and getting paid than staying home and not cashing a check. Just like Harden.

Except Simmons is no Harden. The Sixers will be ok without Simmons. I hope they make him sit out the year.now that he’s Demanded a trade the Sixers can hit him where it hurts. The wallet.

Like I said, he is just talking crap about sitting out now. No way he passes on the money. Why would he? He has his money for the next 4 years whether he sits at the end of the bench or not. Sit on the bench and get your money. first time he falls in practice he will sit out a week. The 6ers hope he does not show up, so they don't have to pay him. In a week or two that will dawn on him if his agent has not already made that clear to him. He can create more pressure to trade him by being in the lockerroom than not being at home. He talks crap while sitting at home, doc says he only answers questions about guys on the team. He is on the team and has a mike in front of his face after every game, doc has to respond, the teammates have to respond. Instead of 100% focusing on winning 25% of the time it is dealing with a disgruntled star.

[the_process]

I would suggest the Sixers start talking to Embiid about any surgeries he might need/want to get.

[illuminati666]

I am trying to see this thru Philly lenses. If I am trading Simmons. What do I want to help me win a championship? I need a facilitator who can run my offense and be able to guard his position. That should be #1. Brogdon or Fox seems the best options. Is Fox available? I can't see Siakam or another forward of that caliber being much interest to Philly.

Is Brogdon, Warren, 2022 1st rd pick appealing to Philly for Simmons and Maxey?

Is Fox, Barnes, 1st rd pick from Sac appealing?

It will probably take a 3rd team maybe a 4th.

My favourite trades from both those teams are:

IND gets: Simmons, Green
PHI gets: Brogdan, Lamb, Duarte, IND FRP, Kleber, Burke, DAL FRP
DAL gets: Myles Turner

or

SAC gets: Simmons, Harris
PHI gets: Fox, Hield, Barnes

[Bowdystuda]

To Toronto:
Andrew Wiggens
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Haliburton
Johnathan Kuminga
James Wiseman
Moses Moody
GS 2024 1st round pick (Top 5 Protected)

Toronto rebuilds real quick and will have a great nucleus of young players moving forward. Can move Wiggins, Hield and Trent Jr for picks and expiring contracts to contenders at some point to increase the future assets to be used. If Trent Jr/Wiggins/Heild can be flipped each for a 1st with expiring contracts hopefully, that would give Toronto the pick capital to go for a star to add to the young nucleus.

PG- Haliburton/Flynn/Banton
SG- Hield/Trent Jr/Moody
SF- OG/Wiggens/Kuminga
PF- Barnes/Precious
C- Wiseman/Birch


To Golden State:
Pascal Siakam
Goran Dragic
Freddie Gillespie


Get former All nba 2nd team to slide into the 3, 4 or 5 depending on lineup. Was 2nd option on a championship team and would be 3rd option on GS. They also get veteran Dragic to fill out the guard rotation for GS. With Curry/Thompson/Dragic there are no down minutes at guard. Gillespie is forward depth.

PG- Curry/Dragic
SG- Thompson/Poole/Mulder
SF- Porter Jr/Igudola
PF- Siakam/Bjelica/Gillespie
C- Draymond/Looney


To Philadelphia:
Fred Van Vleet
Marvin Bagley Jr
Sac 2023 2nd round pick

Philadelphia gets Van Vleet who is an NBA champ to run the point and will spread the floor for Joel. He was pretty much 20/6/4 last year in horrible circumstances. Also a big playoff performer and clutch player when it matters. Bagley can slip into starting 4 spot and hopefully show some of that potential being a 2nd overall pick and getting out of Sacramento. Also get a 2nd round pick. Decent value for Simmons considering he came out and said he won't go to training camp.

PG- Van Vleet/Maxey
SG- Curry/Thybulle/Milton
SF- Harris/Green/Korkmaz
PF- Bagley Jr/Scott/Niang
C- Embiid/Drummond


To Sacramento:
Ben Simmons
Chris Boucher

Sacramento gets Simmons to play the PF (ala Giannis) to run with Fox, Mitchell, Barnes and Holmes. If Simmons goes the route of Giannis, and plays that PF, who cant shoot, but can do everything else, with Fox as PG that is a decent 1- 2 punch. Boucher can start when needed, but would be amazing 1st big off the bench. 14-18 ppg off the bench easy if he gets minutes. Also blocks tons of shots and great in the pick and roll.

PG- Fox/Mitchell
SG- Davis/Mitchell
SF- Barnes/Harkless
PF- Simmons/Boucher/Metu
C- Holmes/Thompson/Len

[NYG]

I think the 76ers just let him sit it out personally. Any trade worth doing would have been done already.

[Sportfan73]

I am trying to see this thru Philly lenses. If I am trading Simmons. What do I want to help me win a championship? I need a facilitator who can run my offense and be able to guard his position. That should be #1. Brogdon or Fox seems the best options. Is Fox available? I can't see Siakam or another forward of that caliber being much interest to Philly.

Is Brogdon, Warren, 2022 1st rd pick appealing to Philly for Simmons and Maxey?

Is Fox, Barnes, 1st rd pick from Sac appealing?

It will probably take a 3rd team maybe a 4th.

Philly would be mad to include Maxey in that deal. But Brog, Warren and 1st seems like fair value to me. But I suspect 6ers fans wouldn't too keen

Also love Fox, Barnes and 1st (if I was Philly I would take that deal and run, again sans Maxey)

I think if you can make the first a 2025 unprotected because Philly needs one back and then get a swap or two in there I would do it for Philly

[JRoy]

I am trying to see this thru Philly lenses. If I am trading Simmons. What do I want to help me win a championship? I need a facilitator who can run my offense and be able to guard his position. That should be #1. Brogdon or Fox seems the best options. Is Fox available? I can't see Siakam or another forward of that caliber being much interest to Philly.

Is Brogdon, Warren, 2022 1st rd pick appealing to Philly for Simmons and Maxey?

Is Fox, Barnes, 1st rd pick from Sac appealing?

It will probably take a 3rd team maybe a 4th.

My favourite trades from both those teams are:

IND gets: Simmons, Green
PHI gets: Brogdan, Lamb, Duarte, IND FRP, Kleber, Burke, DAL FRP
DAL gets: Myles Turner

or

SAC gets: Simmons, Harris
PHI gets: Fox, Hield, Barnes

DAL leeching value while contributing very little

[Resistance]

Toronto rebuilds real quick and will have a great nucleus of young players moving forward. Can move Wiggins, Hield and Trent Jr for picks and expiring contracts to contenders at some point to increase the future assets to be used. If Trent Jr/Wiggins/Heild can be flipped each for a 1st with expiring contracts hopefully, that would give Toronto the pick capital to go for a star to add to the young nucleus.

In some instances, change for to with.

My first impression is that you are a Toronto fan because the trade does seem tilted in that direction.

To Toronto:
Andrew Wiggens
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Haliburton
Johnathan Kuminga
James Wiseman
Moses Moody
GS 2024 1st round pick (Top 5 Protected)

Explain some about the Golden State 2024 first because I don't understand how that would work.

Future Traded Pick Details

2024 first round draft pick to Memphis
Golden State's 1st round pick to Memphis protected for selections 1-4 in 2024 and 1 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 [Golden State-Memphis, 7/7/2019]

[SmartWentCrazy]

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Feels like this will get ugly

Feels like Paul is in some real danger of overplaying his hand. Lebron's time is coming to an end and if he's ticked off the entire league and jacked around a number of players, Klutch could burn out really quickly.

I wouldn't count on it. Star players look at this and think "this guy will really fight for me".

They just signed LaVine a few days ago

I think this is very true.

I also do wonder if Rich Paul holds a grudge against Morey. LeBron was publicly pissed at Morey after the Hong Kong tweet [not stating any opinions or validating either side, just stating the fact] and I’d be shocked if Rich Paul didnt feel similarly. Feels like thats something that could be coming into play here.

[WAKEANT]

Toronto rebuilds real quick and will have a great nucleus of young players moving forward. Can move Wiggins, Hield and Trent Jr for picks and expiring contracts to contenders at some point to increase the future assets to be used. If Trent Jr/Wiggins/Heild can be flipped each for a 1st with expiring contracts hopefully, that would give Toronto the pick capital to go for a star to add to the young nucleus.

In some instances, change for to with.

My first impression is that you are a Toronto fan because the trade does seem tilted in that direction.

To Toronto:
Andrew Wiggens
Buddy Hield
Tyrese Haliburton
Johnathan Kuminga
James Wiseman
Moses Moody
GS 2024 1st round pick (Top 5 Protected)

Explain some about the Golden State 2024 first because I don't understand how that would work.

Future Traded Pick Details

2024 first round draft pick to Memphis
Golden State's 1st round pick to Memphis protected for selections 1-4 in 2024 and 1 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 [Golden State-Memphis, 7/7/2019]

POP LOCK IT!! POP LOCK IT!! lol

[vetmin]

I’m gonna vote gsw because it’d be unwise for anyone other than LA or GS to trade for him. And Draymond may have irked management with that KD interview to enough of a degree for them to waive their feeling of loyalty towards him. So like draymond and a youngster (and maybe a first) for Simmons.

What's the maybe first? Draymond doesn't hold much value. Warriors have a Wolves pick or what?

I sort of look at it as only 3 teams bidding for Simmons - la, la, or gsw. Of those three, gsw is the only team with anything at all of tradeable value. Draymond is a win now move, Kuminga, say, is win later or tradeable asset, and maybe a first (but maybe not, if golden state tells philly to maybe check out what they can get from the Lakers or clippers). I see it as only one of those teams because Ben clearly wants to go to one of those teams, and we’re currently witnessing what he’s willing to do if he’s on a team he doesn’t want to be on.

There's a credible report that Simmons would be OK playing in Minnesota too (and I saw another headline about him being OK with being in Cleveland, but I didn't check the source). He probably recognizes that he might be shooting himself in the foot by being too stubborn on the CA thing.

As for the general topic (and assuming neither Dame nor Beal asks out, which would dramatically impact the situation), as a Warriors fan I want it to be the Warriors, but my money's on MIN, mainly because they seem to be the most motivated buyer.

[Rudruff]

Warriors paying a lot for a crisis at the wing position.

[Sportfan73]

As much as it stings for Philly losing Maxey going with that report, Simmons/Maxey for Fox/Hield seems realistic

[Mr Swagtastic]

Yeah Toronto is not going to get this kind of return for VanVleet and Pascal Siakam. If they did they would be absolute fools to turn this down, as many can probably attest to I'm not a James Wiseman fan but they would have arguably one of the top three young course in the league, Scottie Barnes Jonathan Kuminga, Gary Trent Jr Tyrese Haliburton, Precious Achiuwa, Moses Moody, OG Anunoby and James Wiseman could be very scary in a few years

[Kordic27]

Simmons and curry for paul george?

[vetmin]

I think the 76ers just let him sit it out personally. Any trade worth doing would have been done already.

Just a thought, but if there's all this drama surrounding Simmons and we get to the beginning of the season without any needle-changing developments, might it be in the Sixers' interest to go ahead and act on a fair-value offer even if it's not a good fit?

What I'm thinking is like, what if the Warriors were to offer Wiggins + one of Wiseman/Kuminga + one or two 1sts? That's been suggested a million times, and the response is always that a rebuilding package like that is useless to the Sixers, so a third team would need to be involved, and it's always hard to think of one who wouldn't just cut GSW out. But if Simmons is sitting out and doing nothing for his value, what difference does it make to trade him for the stuff that you'd eventually use to trade for what you want (i.e., just kick the can with that trade package instead of with Simmons)? Not to mention that Wiggins's contract becomes less of a negative (less of something you have to offset with value) with every passing day.

DLo + Beasley + McDaniels obviously makes better on-court sense, for instance, but if that's the trade then that's probably your actual team, not a viable trade package for the eventual Dame or Beal trade request. If Ben is refusing to run it back, and the Sixers can't get the actual player(s) they want on their team, then converting Ben to equivalent value makes a lot of sense, assuming they can get it (if not, then yeah, they probably let Ben sit).

[ChuckDurn]

Warriors paying a lot for a crisis at the wing position.

Yeah, that proposed deal is laughable from the Golden State end. Give up all 3 recent first-rounders, another #1 pick, leaving a clear risk at the 3 (no way can you count on the oft-injured Porter and 37-year-old Iguodala to hold it down), and what you get back is a guy who plays the same position as Draymond (forcing him to wear down in the regular season by playing center most of the time), and a guy who’s admittedly only going to be a back-up and would certainly leave after one season?

It’s so far beyond realistic as to be a joke.