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sunsbum wrote:Booker is fine, we can do a mini rebuild with KD and see where we’re at in 3 years. Everyone is just down on book because they are down on everything suns.
BobbieL wrote:sunsbum wrote:Booker is fine, we can do a mini rebuild with KD and see where we’re at in 3 years. Everyone is just down on book because they are down on everything suns.
So three years of being the 7-10 seed at best so Booker loses more value
It might not be popular to trade him. But should be done
Sunsdeuce wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
This is the last piece of evidence anyone needs to trade Booker at the first opportunity. A “franchise” player especially in the NBA doesn’t miss the playoffs. Franchise players carry their team to the playoffs.
Booker is NOT a franchise player. He’s an NBA player that’s really good at shooting mid range shots that’s not particularly good at anything else.
Blows my mind when people say “anyone not named Booker” needs to be traded. WHEN Booker is one of the MAIN problems! He needs to go. His game is limited, he has no leadership ability, he’s not an ambassador of Phoenix. His name doesn’t hold much weight around the league. The times he does make the all-star game it’s by a thread. He’s not a world wide star. Take away his mid range game and he’s barely a G-League player.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
handsome salary wrote:In the next five seasons I expect to watch the Suns hand over the number one pick to another team.
thamadkant wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Again...
Just useless stats.
The only stats that matter is Wins Losses really.
Booker and KD could shoot 99% from the field for an entire 4th quarter but if the team is a 0.500 team at best with horrible advance stats then it don't matter.... it just means those players play well as individuals and Suns need great team leaders and team players that help win games in both regular and playoffs.
Wut? 
mkot wrote:Pat Bev sweepstakes?
sure. Lavine.thamadkant wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
This is the last piece of evidence anyone needs to trade Booker at the first opportunity. A “franchise” player especially in the NBA doesn’t miss the playoffs. Franchise players carry their team to the playoffs.
Booker is NOT a franchise player. He’s an NBA player that’s really good at shooting mid range shots that’s not particularly good at anything else.
Blows my mind when people say “anyone not named Booker” needs to be traded. WHEN Booker is one of the MAIN problems! He needs to go. His game is limited, he has no leadership ability, he’s not an ambassador of Phoenix. His name doesn’t hold much weight around the league. The times he does make the all-star game it’s by a thread. He’s not a world wide star. Take away his mid range game and he’s barely a G-League player.
Agree.
Booker is not the ideal franchise player atleast.
He's Lavine level player that has a prettier looking stroke and luck to play next to CP3 and a young stacked Suns team... that ironically got dismantled to appease Booker.
SunsRback4Good wrote:mkot wrote:Pat Bev sweepstakes?
Guys like Butler, Draymond, Bev are winners they proper their teams to work hard and win. Let’s give him a chance with no CP3 here he has nobody to despise. Bev can be a game changer under the right condition.
thamadkant wrote:I would avoid Spurs trade offers because you just know it help them get another 5 rings while Suns get late first rounders that amount to nothing.
Rockets is only team that makes sense for Suns.
Either they send an Amen and a first rounder package with salary filler...or 4 first rounders and salary filler... or a Jalen Green and a couple first rounders and filler.
thamadkant wrote:I would avoid Spurs trade offers because you just know it help them get another 5 rings while Suns get late first rounders that amount to nothing.
Rockets is only team that makes sense for Suns.
Either they send an Amen and a first rounder package with salary filler...or 4 first rounders and salary filler... or a Jalen Green and a couple first rounders and filler.
garrick wrote:handsome salary wrote:In the next five seasons I expect to watch the Suns hand over the number one pick to another team.
Not putting any protections on those picks was criminal!
Ghost of Kleine wrote:thamadkant wrote:I would avoid Spurs trade offers because you just know it help them get another 5 rings while Suns get late first rounders that amount to nothing.
Rockets is only team that makes sense for Suns.
Either they send an Amen and a first rounder package with salary filler...or 4 first rounders and salary filler... or a Jalen Green and a couple first rounders and filler.
I understand not wanting to help the Spurs just as much as I'd hate helping the Lakers too. I hate both of those franchises with the fire of a thousand suns! However, the reality of our situation is that we're already embarrassingly bad and nowhere near contending. So we're going to epically suck regardless. because once we commit to trading KD and Booker, we're officially rebuilding! Under these conditions, I could really care less if those hated franchises get better and compete as long as we get some good young talent and picks to help facilitate our rebuild.
Now I'm not going to say that I'd only prefer to trade KD to San Antonio, as there'll absolutely be numerous options to consider. But I'd absolutely consider San Antonio because they can offer a package of Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan/ ATL 27' 1st and they also have 2 very valuable 1sts they can send back in: the DALLAS 31' 1st ( NO PROTECTIONS) and the MINNESOTA 31' 1st (TOP 1 PROTECTED). Both of those picks are very likely to end up as top 5 lottery picks easily! We could also keep Vassell to pair alongside of Dunn and form an elite lockdown defensive duo, and Sochan would be in a Rodman-type of role for us, or we could just flip Barnes and Sochan to another team for even more assets/ young talent.
Now honestly the Rockets would be great for a KD trade partner as long as they're actually willing to surrender the proper threshold value in return for KD. But if you just go look on the trade board at the craptastic delusional returns for KD are that they're proposing, with the Booker offers not being much better either (the Rockets fans are delusional) then you'll understand the logic of not just limiting ourselves to trading with the rockets alone. To give you an idea of exactly how bad their offer is, their fans have been promoting a Booker for J Green/ Sheppard/ Landale/ our 3 1sts back. And while I love Greens' potential, we'd still be eating his $33 million in a trade, and I have no interest in Sheppard at all. The three 1sts would be great, but for Booker, the clear market value is two young talents and 3-4 1sts anyways. My issue is their unwillingness to include any of Eason or Whitmore or Smith Jr instead of Sheppard. And this is a Booker deal. Many fans are trying to pass the narrative that we'd be lucky to get matching salaries and maybe 1 1st for KD on the basis of the Butler trade and the Fox highway robbery. I believe that one person mentioned KD for Van Vleet/Sheppard and a 1st.
So my point in all of this is that we're going to suck pretty bad regardless, and other teams that didn't make the mistakes we did are gonna be a lot better regardless of our situation now. We should logically explore and consider all KD options and take the best one towards our inevitable rebuild. even if that comes from a team we may hate!
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Things like this make a KD to Minnesota trade all the more possible and put leverage well in our favor with their franchise players' obsession over KD.
Anyone interested in a Mcdaniels/ Reid/ DiVincenzo/ Minott/ DET 25' 1st (17th pick)/ MIN 32' 1st package??
17- Sergio de Larrea.
29- Jo'an Beringer.
54- Kobe Brea.
Undrafted two-ways (**Add 2 prospects)
1- Trevon Brazile.
2- Milan Momcilovic.