The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[OldCeltics]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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I love your enthusiasm. But it's a very superficial way to look at things. The depth of the Kyrie effect has taken root.

Quitting, not trying hard, playing selfish, criticizing people in media, cannot be the normal.

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[OBisHalJordan]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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This sounds nice on paper but I struggle to understand how this could happen--or why anyone would want it happen?!?!--after Kyrie so transparently gave up on the team in the buck series. If I'm Wyc, I'm not authorizing DA to sign this guy for millions and millions?

[ddb]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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This sounds nice on paper but I struggle to understand how this could happen--or why anyone would want it happen?!?!--after Kyrie so transparently gave up on the team in the buck series. If I'm Wyc, I'm not authorizing DA to sign this guy for millions and millions?

He didnt give up. He stunk. The Bucks game planned well and shut him down games 2 and on. Bad coaching by Brad. Zero adjustments were made by Boston. Brad kept on coaching and managing the rotation as if it were a regular season game.

How come nobody talks about Terry Rozier and how awful he was? Whenever he was put in the game it was instantly down hill.

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[fallguy]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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This sounds nice on paper but I struggle to understand how this could happen--or why anyone would want it happen?!?!--after Kyrie so transparently gave up on the team in the buck series. If I'm Wyc, I'm not authorizing DA to sign this guy for millions and millions?

He didnt give up. He stunk. The Bucks game planned well and shut him down games 2 and on. Bad coaching by Brad. Zero adjustments were made by Boston. Brad kept on coaching and managing the rotation as if it were a regular season game.

How come nobody talks about Terry Rozier and how awful he was? Whenever he was put in the game it was instantly down hill.

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All we do is talk about how horrible Rozier is!

[ddb]

This sounds nice on paper but I struggle to understand how this could happen--or why anyone would want it happen?!?!--after Kyrie so transparently gave up on the team in the buck series. If I'm Wyc, I'm not authorizing DA to sign this guy for millions and millions?

He didnt give up. He stunk. The Bucks game planned well and shut him down games 2 and on. Bad coaching by Brad. Zero adjustments were made by Boston. Brad kept on coaching and managing the rotation as if it were a regular season game.

How come nobody talks about Terry Rozier and how awful he was? Whenever he was put in the game it was instantly down hill.

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All we do is talk about how horrible Rozier is!

True. True. Celts would be up 9, Rozier checks in....I look at my wife or whoever I'm watching the game with and say, "the Celtics will be losing within 2 minutes. Rozier just checked in."

2 mins later. Celtics are losing.

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[OBisHalJordan]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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This sounds nice on paper but I struggle to understand how this could happen--or why anyone would want it happen?!?!--after Kyrie so transparently gave up on the team in the buck series. If I'm Wyc, I'm not authorizing DA to sign this guy for millions and millions?

He didnt give up. He stunk. The Bucks game planned well and shut him down games 2 and on. Bad coaching by Brad. Zero adjustments were made by Boston. Brad kept on coaching and managing the rotation as if it were a regular season game.

How come nobody talks about Terry Rozier and how awful he was? Whenever he was put in the game it was instantly down hill.

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A lot of people have been on Rozier's case. Kyrie get's more attention because Rozier is not the team's best player. Rozier didn't talk big talk about delivering in the playoffs. I don't think the Bucks had anything to do with Kyrie missing open looks or giving up on defense. I can't understand why people defend him after those last three games, particularly game 5. Yes, when he's engaged he's great, but he clearly wasn't engaged in the playoffs. Who wants to root for a guy like that? Who wants to play for a guy like that?

I guess you could say the situation wasn't great and Steven failed him and team with poor coaching but where does that get you? You don't want people in your organization or your life that find excuses to give up. You want people who rise to the occasion, challenge others to be their best, and help others be their best. Not only does Kyrie lack those skills, he may be the type of person that actively undermines those type of positive dynamics

The lesson of this season should not be to double down on most DA's basketball-as-hedge-fund approach and try to maximize the perceived value composition of our assets. Instead, he needs to realize that human relationships matter and try to pay some attention to those dynamics. I don't understand how you can move forward with a guy like Kyrie who played all year by special rules and then gave up his teammates. Kyrie needs to go. Some other people probably need to go. Steven needs to learn from this but Kyrie definitely needs to go. **** that guy.

[tfribs45]

Danny is being left at the Alter, High and dry! Someone needs to change this title ASAP. Kyries first appointment on 7/1 is with LA LA, that should tell the Naive ones where he stands! Get me Rondo / another vet BIG and retain the studs, we will be better off....

[ddb]

This sounds nice on paper but I struggle to understand how this could happen--or why anyone would want it happen?!?!--after Kyrie so transparently gave up on the team in the buck series. If I'm Wyc, I'm not authorizing DA to sign this guy for millions and millions?

He didnt give up. He stunk. The Bucks game planned well and shut him down games 2 and on. Bad coaching by Brad. Zero adjustments were made by Boston. Brad kept on coaching and managing the rotation as if it were a regular season game.

How come nobody talks about Terry Rozier and how awful he was? Whenever he was put in the game it was instantly down hill.

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A lot of people have been on Rozier's case. Kyrie get's more attention because Rozier is not the team's best player. Rozier didn't talk big talk about delivering in the playoffs. I don't think the Bucks had anything to do with Kyrie missing open looks or giving up on defense. I can't understand why people defend him after those last three games, particularly game 5. Yes, when he's engaged he's great, but he clearly wasn't engaged in the playoffs. Who wants to root for a guy like that? Who wants to play for a guy like that?

I guess you could say the situation wasn't great and Steven failed him and team with poor coaching but where does that get you? You don't want people in your organization or your life that find excuses to give up. You want people who rise to the occasion, challenge others to be their best, and help others be their best. Not only does Kyrie lack those skills, he may be the type of person that actively undermines those type of positive dynamics

The lesson of this season should not be to double down on most DA's basketball-as-hedge-fund approach and try to maximize the perceived value composition of our assets. Instead, he needs to realize that human relationships matter and try to pay some attention to those dynamics. I don't understand how you can move forward with a guy like Kyrie who played all year by special rules and then gave up his teammates. Kyrie needs to go. Some other people probably need to go. Steven needs to learn from this but Kyrie definitely needs to go. **** that guy.

Although I agree partially, we also need to note that Kyrie IS an NBA champion. Granted he had LeBron, but it was often times Kyrie that took them home. He's an Olympic champion, a perennial all-star and still has alot of good basketball in front of him.
In my opinion Kyrie needs to have batman to his Robin. Snagging Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant would bring the best out of Kyrie. Especially with a healthy Hayward and Horford who can be your 3rd and 4th guys respectively.

Kyrie really struggled leading a young core. He did develop great chemistry with Marcus Smart and Al Horford. I think his chemistry with Jaylen & Terry was nonexistent and the source of the teams problems. Kyrie has been the scapegoat all season long, but he isn't to blame solely.

He has won, and he can win again with the right pieces.

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[MagicBagley18]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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I love this and I hope sincerely that your right. Hypothetically tho- what if kyries chemistry issues are deep than just players? What if he doesn’t get along or like Stevens?

[ddb]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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I love this and I hope sincerely that your right. Hypothetically tho- what if kyries chemistry issues are deep than just players? What if he doesn’t get along or like Stevens?

Well then he will leave Boston this summer lol. Boston needs to look at a veteran assistant coach that is really strong at player relationships. Preferably a former NBA player.

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[MagicBagley18]

Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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I love this and I hope sincerely that your right. Hypothetically tho- what if kyries chemistry issues are deep than just players? What if he doesn’t get along or like Stevens?

Well then he will leave Boston this summer lol. Boston needs to look at a veteran assistant coach that is really strong at player relationships. Preferably a former NBA player.

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I think it’s bigger than just players. I have a suspicion and it’s just a guess that he doesn’t really get along with Stevens. Based on several post game comments all season long.

I also wonder if a guy who seems to hate answering free agency and off season questions all year this season- is going to want to go through the same thing with AD next year. “What will you say to AD to sell him on Boston” “have you discussed anthony’s Future” etc etc and so on.

[jmr07019]

I love this and I hope sincerely that your right. Hypothetically tho- what if kyries chemistry issues are deep than just players? What if he doesn’t get along or like Stevens?

Well then he will leave Boston this summer lol. Boston needs to look at a veteran assistant coach that is really strong at player relationships. Preferably a former NBA player.

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I think it’s bigger than just players. I have a suspicion and it’s just a guess that he doesn’t really get along with Stevens. Based on several post game comments all season long.

I also wonder if a guy who seems to hate answering free agency and off season questions all year this season- is going to want to go through the same thing with AD next year. “What will you say to AD to sell him on Boston” “have you discussed anthony’s Future” etc etc and so on.

I agree with you on the Irving Stevens relationship. I think if we can get both Davis and Irving then we give Brad a shot to get it right next year but he's on the hot seat.

[ddb]

Well then he will leave Boston this summer lol. Boston needs to look at a veteran assistant coach that is really strong at player relationships. Preferably a former NBA player.

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I think it’s bigger than just players. I have a suspicion and it’s just a guess that he doesn’t really get along with Stevens. Based on several post game comments all season long.

I also wonder if a guy who seems to hate answering free agency and off season questions all year this season- is going to want to go through the same thing with AD next year. “What will you say to AD to sell him on Boston” “have you discussed anthony’s Future” etc etc and so on.

I agree with you on the Irving Stevens relationship. I think if we can get both Davis and Irving then we give Brad a shot to get it right next year but he's on the hot seat.

You dont lose a guy like Kyrie and squander an opportunity to bring in Davis in favor of sticking with young players that will never be as good as Kyrie and Davis.

Bring in a former player as assistant, acquire Davis, keep Kyrie, bring in veteran role players that wont cry over spilt milk...

Get it done Danny.

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[Green89]

Danny is being left at the Alter, High and dry! Someone needs to change this title ASAP. Kyries first appointment on 7/1 is with LA LA, that should tell the Naive ones where he stands! Get me Rondo / another vet BIG and retain the studs, we will be better off....

It's 100% speculation that he's even considering the Lakers, let alone setting up a meeting. Is there some reason you believe it to be a fact? Just curious as to where people get their "scoops" from.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Danny is being left at the Alter, High and dry! Someone needs to change this title ASAP. Kyries first appointment on 7/1 is with LA LA, that should tell the Naive ones where he stands! Get me Rondo / another vet BIG and retain the studs, we will be better off....

It's 100% speculation that he's even considering the Lakers, let alone setting up a meeting. Is there some reason you believe it to be a fact? Just curious as to where people get their "scoops" from.

On here it's reload who is right nearly every time. He said KI is gone even if Ainge can get Davis. Obviously anything can change but I am going with what reload said if/when we get an update.

[Green89]

Danny is being left at the Alter, High and dry! Someone needs to change this title ASAP. Kyries first appointment on 7/1 is with LA LA, that should tell the Naive ones where he stands! Get me Rondo / another vet BIG and retain the studs, we will be better off....

It's 100% speculation that he's even considering the Lakers, let alone setting up a meeting. Is there some reason you believe it to be a fact? Just curious as to where people get their "scoops" from.

On here it's reload who is right nearly every time. He said KI is gone even if Ainge can get Davis.Obviously anything can change but I am going with what reload said if/when we get an update.

Link? Ex asked that question to reload last night and I haven't seen a response. Must have missed it. Share please.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

It's 100% speculation that he's even considering the Lakers, let alone setting up a meeting. Is there some reason you believe it to be a fact? Just curious as to where people get their "scoops" from.

On here it's reload who is right nearly every time. He said KI is gone even if Ainge can get Davis.Obviously anything can change but I am going with what reload said if/when we get an update.

Link? Ex asked that question to reload last night and I haven't seen a response. Must have missed it. Share please.

It's in this thread somewhere. If I remember correctly it was around the time of the tipoff of game 5.

Edit check page 35 of this thread

[Green89]

On here it's reload who is right nearly every time. He said KI is gone even if Ainge can get Davis.Obviously anything can change but I am going with what reload said if/when we get an update.

Link? Ex asked that question to reload last night and I haven't seen a response. Must have missed it. Share please.

It's in this thread somewhere. If I remember correctly it was around the time of the tipoff of game 5.

Edit check page 35 of this thread

But Ex asked him last night and he said he wasn't sure and would know soon. Pg. 53 of the trade thread.

[tfribs45]

It's 100% speculation that he's even considering the Lakers, let alone setting up a meeting. Is there some reason you believe it to be a fact? Just curious as to where people get their "scoops" from.

On here it's reload who is right nearly every time. He said KI is gone even if Ainge can get Davis.Obviously anything can change but I am going with what reload said if/when we get an update.

Link? Ex asked that question to reload last night and I haven't seen a response. Must have missed it. Share please.

the writing is on the wall man. lets be real, we can offer the most and it's not even close and he's going to ride this out as far a possible?! His actions during the playoffs alone should be enough, who needs a link!

[MagicBagley18]

It's 100% speculation that he's even considering the Lakers, let alone setting up a meeting. Is there some reason you believe it to be a fact? Just curious as to where people get their "scoops" from.

On here it's reload who is right nearly every time. He said KI is gone even if Ainge can get Davis.Obviously anything can change but I am going with what reload said if/when we get an update.

Link? Ex asked that question to reload last night and I haven't seen a response. Must have missed it. Share please.

he (reload) posted in this thread during game 5 ''he doesn't'' meaning bleed green. then someone asked him even if we get AD and he replied ''he still doesn't''. last night however when asked again in the trade thread he said he doesn't know yet and he needs to find out more information before he tells us definitively.