OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[thebuzzardman]

In regards to Fat Kat's psyops thing.

I referenced that in my rant indirectly without seeing his post.
The psyops campaign isn't just recent, it's been going on for 5 years.
There are multiple efforts. Multiple outside efforts from competing nation states, and internal efforts.
And, since we are good free Americans, the free range sh*t we just do to ourselves.

[Clyde_Style]

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I live in northern Va.
I don't usually watch much TV, but with the old man here, it was on a lot, which meant local news. Not sure if these are NewsMax stations or what, but suddenly there was a f*cking barrage of news on the educational tiffs coming out of Loudon county, a really affluent county, or parts of it. There was a story about a girl who got raped by a trans kid which they tried to turn into a "bathroom" issue and the wayward school board, but it seemed like it could have been date regret. Or date rape. Apparently the girl and the other individual were in the same bathroom by mutual agreement, initially. Before that, there was a lot of noise about...actually, I'm not sure. It might have been right to "get back to school" or "the curriculum" in the summer.

Loudon might have been having it's own county issues, but the amount of coverage and how, fairly plainly seemed orchestrated.

Even people with Masters degrees whom you could reason with if they sat down and gave you 15 minutes to discuss are being manipulated to vote against their interest in elections.

Flynn is legitimately insane and a menace to society. Glad he is being summoned. He’s bananas enough to think he can lie his face off to Congress and I hope he does perjure himself into a long stay in jail. He was integral to Jan. 6th. His brother was in the Pentagon preventing the National Guard from responding to the Capitol Police’s calls for backup.

It is mystifying still how the American population is too stupid overall to not see how Putin purchased the GOP

[j4remi]

I just want to see Merrick Garland actually do something about all the subpoenas being ignored. I'll stop being a nihilist about any consequences when Garland grows a pair...

I just posted that he did. Bannon was indicted

Consider me in the Buzzardman category of looking at this as little more than fake-hustle.

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

[Clyde_Style]

In regards to Fat Kat's psyops thing.

I referenced that in my rant indirectly without seeing his post.
The psyops campaign isn't just recent, it's been going on for 5 years.
There are multiple efforts. Multiple outside efforts from competing nation states, and internal efforts.
And, since we are good free Americans, the free range sh*t we just do to ourselves.

There was a pair of older golf couples sitting across from me yesterday at the cafe. The husbands were talking about the science of industrial processes and at least one of them was clearly an industrial engineer. The couples starting talking about vaccines and wondering how people don’t trust the science and how did we get to this social impasse.

So I volunteered an explanation. I said it was a combination of American individualism (Don’t Tread On Me) + Distrust of Authority + America’s long tradition of anti-intellectualism. I said you can find more consensus in Euro countries because there is still a greater belief in doing your part for the society as a whole. There are conspiratorial fantasies around the world, but you’ll still find more compliance even on the right wing of the spectrum on something like public health issues. The disinfo is bad everywhere, but somewhat less effective to the extent not every social issue has been colonized by propaganda as easily as it has in America.

One of the two husbands in the group was an Asian man in his late 50s. His eyes widened as if I were tellling him something he had never heard before. His accent was American, but based on his reaction I thought maybe he was an immigrant who settled in the U.S. a while ago. He thanked me and said that made it a lot clearer for him.

And it made me wonder how these highly paid people with advanced degrees with their million dollar homes who are pro-science and willing to hear a reasonable argument would be even remotely surprised by such a rudimentary explanation of the cultural context of our country. They are the ones who need to speak up, but they are too comfortable and cocooned to bother probably.

[j4remi]

In regards to Fat Kat's psyops thing.

I referenced that in my rant indirectly without seeing his post.
The psyops campaign isn't just recent, it's been going on for 5 years.
There are multiple efforts. Multiple outside efforts from competing nation states, and internal efforts.
And, since we are good free Americans, the free range sh*t we just do to ourselves.

The saddest part is that repackaging white supremacy is a constant. For the past 5 years (maybe more) there's been more success thanks to taking advantage of social media and the algorithms that can front and center messaging. But watch "multi-culturalism" as the stand-in for buzzwords like "globalism" and "CRT" now

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And there's also the famous Lee Atwater speech where he said (approximating here) "we used to say the n-word ten years ago, but that's not allowed anymore, so now we talk about states' rights" back in the 80's.

It's the same culture war with new labels to mask the same crappy logic. It's scarier now because they've started using the same political coding for crap like treating a highly contagious, potentially deadly virus. The gaps in mortality results for red counties vs blue counties have gotten more and more dramatic (though it should close with natural immunity and new antivirals getting closer)

[Clyde_Style]

I just want to see Merrick Garland actually do something about all the subpoenas being ignored. I'll stop being a nihilist about any consequences when Garland grows a pair...

I just posted that he did. Bannon was indicted

Consider me in the Buzzardman category of looking at this as little more than fake-hustle.

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

[thebuzzardman]

I just posted that he did. Bannon was indicted

Consider me in the Buzzardman category of looking at this as little more than fake-hustle.

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

When people at the top of the food chain do actual time. I get that it will take a minute. Until then, I'm a bit skeptical.

[Clyde_Style]

No one has been jailed or faced consequence for contempt of congress for nearly 40 years. 1982 was the last time.
I'm glad congress is asserting some of it's authority.
Not so sure this means much in the case of Bannon.
I'll try to find the link that indicated the 1982 date.

Paul Manafort is serving 47 months in prison for messing around. It was not contempt of Congress, but if you don’t think Bannon is going to do time if he doesn’t do an about face then you’re just letting your cynicism talk, not the facts of the situation. He was indicted

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

How are they different?

Manafort was released on bail and he did what these animals always do, he committed more crimes. You think he didn’t know he was being watched? Almost all of these people in Trump’s orbit have some variation of Dunning-Kruger and think they can outsmart anyone while committing eggregious felonies. Bannon and Flynn are both as nefarious as Manafort and will behave in the same manner if given even a thread to hang themselves.

All of these criminals got pardons and they kept criming after the pardons were issued. Pardons don’t cover new crimes. These guys are so fcked

[thebuzzardman]

Paul Manafort is serving 47 months in prison for messing around. It was not contempt of Congress, but if you don’t think Bannon is going to do time if he doesn’t do an about face then you’re just letting your cynicism talk, not the facts of the situation. He was indicted

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

How are they different?

Manafort was released on bail and he did what these animals always do, he committed more crimes. You think he didn’t know he was being watched? Almost all of these people in Trump’s orbit have some variation of Dunning-Kruger and think they can outsmart anyone while committing eggregious felonies. Bannon and Flynn are both as nefarious as Manafort and will behave in the same manner if given even a thread to hang themselves.

All of these criminals got pardons and they kept criming after the pardons were issued. Pardons don’t cover new crimes. These guys are so fcked

I didn't say they weren't similar people; I said the circumstances, crimes charge, and sentences for Manfort and Bannon are different.

I don't doubt Bannon has done multiple crimes, post pardon. That all those guys are guilty AF.

[Clyde_Style]

Consider me in the Buzzardman category of looking at this as little more than fake-hustle.

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

When people at the top of the food chain do actual time. I get that it will take a minute. Until then, I'm a bit skeptical.

Mark Meadows is the WH Chief of Staff. He was the node for planning Jan. 6th. It is already out there. Schiff confirmed they are referring him to the DOJ for arrest

How is that not the top of the food chain?

Trump will of course take more time, but that is exactly where it is going

What about when NYC issues indictments of Trump himself?

NYC has had dirt on Trump for decades. Perhaps that will convince you the crust on this stale loaf is being broken

NYC and then NYS will come before any federal move against Trump himself. They are way more advanced in their investigation. Since the actions of a grand jury is to bring indictments and that has been running for 18 months and Cyrus Vance is stepping down this year, you can probably expect Trump’s indictments in NYC at least early in 2022

[thebuzzardman]

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

When people at the top of the food chain do actual time. I get that it will take a minute. Until then, I'm a bit skeptical.

Mark Meadows is the WH Chief of Staff. He was the node for planning Jan. 6th. It is already out there. Schiff confirmed they are referring him to the DOJ for arrest

How is that not the top of the food chain?

Trump will of course take more time, but that is exactly where it is going

What about when NYC issues indictments of Trump himself?

NYC has had dirt on Trump for decades. Perhaps that will convince you the crust on this stale loaf is being broken

NYC and then NYS will come before any federal move against Trump himself. They are way more advanced in their investigation. Since the actions of a grand jury is to bring indictments and that has been running for 18 months and Cyrus Vance is stepping down this year, you can probably expect Trump’s indictments in NYC at least early in 2022

Hopefully they'll get Meadows. Trump will not see Federal consequences, I'm sure of it. They will be too scared of widespread rioting in the streets, making him a martyr and the general aversion to going after an ex president.

In NY State, I'm sure Trump will pay huge fines. For that I'll be glad. I doubt Trump gets anything criminal, gut feeling. I bet his accountant and that accountants son do time though.

[Clyde_Style]

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

How are they different?

Manafort was released on bail and he did what these animals always do, he committed more crimes. You think he didn’t know he was being watched? Almost all of these people in Trump’s orbit have some variation of Dunning-Kruger and think they can outsmart anyone while committing eggregious felonies. Bannon and Flynn are both as nefarious as Manafort and will behave in the same manner if given even a thread to hang themselves.

All of these criminals got pardons and they kept criming after the pardons were issued. Pardons don’t cover new crimes. These guys are so fcked

I didn't say they weren't similar people; I said the circumstances, crimes charge, and sentences for Manfort and Bannon are different.

I don't doubt Bannon has done multiple crimes, post pardon. That all those guys are guilty AF.

Well, I’m pointing out that the M.O. for taking these guys down follows a consistent pattern. We are in the middle of a mafia bottoms up take down and one of the things that you can do to shake loose some of the participants is indict them and send them home on bail since they all tend to try to communicate to someone in their circle and incriminate themselves further

In general, I am incredulous at you guys who say the Trump family will get away scot free. The vise is closing in on them from all directions. The Trump CFO was arrested and they flipped Trump’s security chief Calamari.

Washington DC is going forward in their investigation that has Ivanka and Don Jr. in their sightlines

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/11/trump-inauguration-corruption-case-involving-ivanka-and-don-jr-moves-ahead/

There is no vague institutional backroom agreement to protect Trump because he’s a fat cat. It no longer matters which investigation takes him down since there are so many in progress

[thebuzzardman]

I'd like to see Flynn walk.

It's interesting that no one really puts the pieces truly together on an ex intelligence officer who made the level of general, who is disgruntled, and who sidled up to rich Russians out of animosity and for personal monetary gain, as not being deeply involved in some highly dubious, probably treasonous sh*t.

[Clyde_Style]

When people at the top of the food chain do actual time. I get that it will take a minute. Until then, I'm a bit skeptical.

Mark Meadows is the WH Chief of Staff. He was the node for planning Jan. 6th. It is already out there. Schiff confirmed they are referring him to the DOJ for arrest

How is that not the top of the food chain?

Trump will of course take more time, but that is exactly where it is going

What about when NYC issues indictments of Trump himself?

NYC has had dirt on Trump for decades. Perhaps that will convince you the crust on this stale loaf is being broken

NYC and then NYS will come before any federal move against Trump himself. They are way more advanced in their investigation. Since the actions of a grand jury is to bring indictments and that has been running for 18 months and Cyrus Vance is stepping down this year, you can probably expect Trump’s indictments in NYC at least early in 2022

Hopefully they'll get Meadows. Trump will not see Federal consequences, I'm sure of it. They will be too scared of widespread rioting in the streets, making him a martyr and the general aversion to going after an ex president.

In NY State, I'm sure Trump will pay huge fines. For that I'll be glad. I doubt Trump gets anything criminal, gut feeling. I bet his accountant and that accountants son do time though.

You keep moving the goalposts Buzz

[Clyde_Style]

I'd like to see Flynn walk.

It's interesting that no one really puts the pieces truly together on an ex intelligence officer who made the level of general, who is disgruntled, and who sidled up to rich Russians out of animosity and for personal monetary gain, as not being deeply involved in some highly dubious, probably treasonous sh*t.

Why would you like to see him walk?

[thebuzzardman]

How are they different?

Manafort was released on bail and he did what these animals always do, he committed more crimes. You think he didn’t know he was being watched? Almost all of these people in Trump’s orbit have some variation of Dunning-Kruger and think they can outsmart anyone while committing eggregious felonies. Bannon and Flynn are both as nefarious as Manafort and will behave in the same manner if given even a thread to hang themselves.

All of these criminals got pardons and they kept criming after the pardons were issued. Pardons don’t cover new crimes. These guys are so fcked

I didn't say they weren't similar people; I said the circumstances, crimes charge, and sentences for Manfort and Bannon are different.

I don't doubt Bannon has done multiple crimes, post pardon. That all those guys are guilty AF.

Well, I’m pointing out that the M.O. for taking these guys down follows a consistent pattern. We are in the middle of a mafia bottoms up take down and one of the things that you can do to shake loose some of the participants is indict them and send them home on bail since they all tend to try to communicate to someone in their circle and incriminate themselves further

In general, I am incredulous at you guys who say the Trump family will get away scot free. The vise is closing in on them from all directions. The Trump CFO was arrested and they flipped Trump’s security chief Calamari.

Washington DC is going forward in their investigation that has Ivanka and Don Jr. in their sightlines

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/11/trump-inauguration-corruption-case-involving-ivanka-and-don-jr-moves-ahead/

There is no vague institutional backroom agreement to protect Trump because he’s a fat cat. It no longer matters which investigation takes him down since there are so many in progress

Our system has been bent to take care and protect fat cats; for them to profit. The world is awash in dark money and other money and power gravitated there. It's not as bad for the USA as Russia etc, but Trump saw an opportunity. It's going to take a lot to take him down.

The thing that probably gets him is that the people who still want to enrich themselves are mad he f*cked it all up by shining the spotlight so he'll get sacrificed. Maybe.

You should read Kleptopia.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd like to see Flynn walk.

It's interesting that no one really puts the pieces truly together on an ex intelligence officer who made the level of general, who is disgruntled, and who sidled up to rich Russians out of animosity and for personal monetary gain, as not being deeply involved in some highly dubious, probably treasonous sh*t.

Why would you like to see him walk?

Sorry, I should have used more precise language. A perp walk.

[thebuzzardman]

Mark Meadows is the WH Chief of Staff. He was the node for planning Jan. 6th. It is already out there. Schiff confirmed they are referring him to the DOJ for arrest

How is that not the top of the food chain?

Trump will of course take more time, but that is exactly where it is going

What about when NYC issues indictments of Trump himself?

NYC has had dirt on Trump for decades. Perhaps that will convince you the crust on this stale loaf is being broken

NYC and then NYS will come before any federal move against Trump himself. They are way more advanced in their investigation. Since the actions of a grand jury is to bring indictments and that has been running for 18 months and Cyrus Vance is stepping down this year, you can probably expect Trump’s indictments in NYC at least early in 2022

Hopefully they'll get Meadows. Trump will not see Federal consequences, I'm sure of it. They will be too scared of widespread rioting in the streets, making him a martyr and the general aversion to going after an ex president.

In NY State, I'm sure Trump will pay huge fines. For that I'll be glad. I doubt Trump gets anything criminal, gut feeling. I bet his accountant and that accountants son do time though.

You keep moving the goalposts Buzz

That's not moving the goalposts. I hope they'll get a guy as high as Meadows, in spite of my doubts. I'm far less optimistic about Trump. Obviously I HOPE he goes down.

[Clyde_Style]

Hopefully they'll get Meadows. Trump will not see Federal consequences, I'm sure of it. They will be too scared of widespread rioting in the streets, making him a martyr and the general aversion to going after an ex president.

In NY State, I'm sure Trump will pay huge fines. For that I'll be glad. I doubt Trump gets anything criminal, gut feeling. I bet his accountant and that accountants son do time though.

You keep moving the goalposts Buzz

That's not moving the goalposts. I hope they'll get a guy as high as Meadows, in spite of my doubts. I'm far less optimistic about Trump. Obviously I HOPE he goes down.

I just came across this. Interesting for JRemi too

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/28/us-justice-dept-toughens-policies-towards-white-collar-crime

[j4remi]

I just posted that he did. Bannon was indicted

Consider me in the Buzzardman category of looking at this as little more than fake-hustle.

Indicted doesn't meant time.
The level that Manafort f*cked around he should have been in for life.
Manafort and Bannon are different situations.
I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
I recall we were fairly convinced Trump et all were going down multiple times.
Maybe this is finally the time.
Not convinced.

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

Someone of consequence actually getting a legitimate sentence for the plotting of Jan. 6th probably. I have no confidence in prior administrations' actions being held accountable and I don't see a reason to feel confident now. I watched the Bush Administration skate for war crimes, I watched Trump get caught dead to rights twice with only fall-guys taking the hit, and I'm not really sure why I should be expecting different this time around. I'm used to flashy headlines with no results when it comes to legal ramifications for people in power, and a few slaps on the wrist are what I'm expecting because that's all I've seen come from any of this in the past.