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Post#921 » by Baseline81 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:04 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:I think our interest in Simmons is directly tied to us having a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons, KAT. I think our interest would be significantly reduced if we were not walking away with that. I think we are willing to part with some ancillary parts like Beasley, Naz, Bolmaro, filler and a pick or picks. I think it is important to us to be able to pivot and build around ANT if needed and recoup value to do that. I think.

Krawczynski believes one of Russell and McDaniels will be included should a trade happen.
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Post#922 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:06 pm

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Domejandro wrote:“Maybe” a pick added to Malik Beasley and Taurean Prince for Ben Simmons isn’t getting it done. Being honest, that just isn’t a reasonable offer in any way. Philadelphia has zero incentive to lower their ceiling by accepting a pretty “meh” package.


I think it won’t be a pick, it’ll be multiple picks with little-to-no protection. Unprotected Wolves picks are gold in this league. Worth more than most young players being discussed.

If we make a deal, I think it’ll end up being Beasley, Prince or Beverly, McDaniels or Bolmaro, and 2-3 picks with little-to-no protection (maybe top 2-3 or so). It’ll hurt but I would do it. I believe that core can be a top six seed in the West this year and over the next few years become a contender if Ant pops.


I just don't see teams willing give up much. I think if Philadelphia is getting a couple of good young players getting TWO picks will be difficult let alone THREE. I think for a team to even consider THREE picks you are talking about something close to absolute junk/negative value going to PHI. Things change if Maxey is included, but you think he would be a player to keep to use for a STAR.
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Post#923 » by Baseline81 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:07 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Yeah we all want McDaniels to be great myself included. Chances of that are very slim. He can't handle the ball so George is out of the question. He has a good blocked shot rate, but looking at him becoming an all NBA first team defender is a stretch. He's too skinny and will be abused by larger players. Hope I'm wrong unless we trade him then I hope I'm right.

Finch and Rosas have said they see McDaniels more as a SF than PF.
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Post#924 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:09 pm

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SO_MONEY wrote:I think our interest in Simmons is directly tied to us having a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons, KAT. I think our interest would be significantly reduced if we were not walking away with that. I think we are willing to part with some ancillary parts like Beasley, Naz, Bolmaro, filler and a pick or picks. I think it is important to us to be able to pivot and build around ANT if needed and recoup value to do that. I think.

Krawczynski believes one of Russell and McDaniels will be included should a trade happen.


Jon K. was just speculating. Tossing out ideas. He didn't actually have information, he was like..."maybe this or maybe that".
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Post#925 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:14 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Yeah we all want McDaniels to be great myself included. Chances of that are very slim. He can't handle the ball so George is out of the question. He has a good blocked shot rate, but looking at him becoming an all NBA first team defender is a stretch. He's too skinny and will be abused by larger players. Hope I'm wrong unless we trade him then I hope I'm right.

Finch and Rosas have said they see McDaniels more as a SF than PF.

Yes and he's scrawny for a Sf. He doesn't have the size strength to be an all NBA defender. Hopefully he's doing some great strength training.
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Post#926 » by jpatrick » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:16 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:I think our interest in Simmons is directly tied to us having a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons, KAT. I think our interest would be significantly reduced if we were not walking away with that. I think we are willing to part with some ancillary parts like Beasley, Naz, Bolmaro, filler and a pick or picks. I think it is important to us to be able to pivot and build around ANT if needed and recoup value to do that. I think.

Krawczynski believes one of Russell and McDaniels will be included should a trade happen.


Jon K. was just speculating. Tossing out ideas. He didn't actually have information, he was like..."maybe this or maybe that".


I mean kind of. Without relistening, he seemed pretty confident. He flat out said Philly wasn’t warm to a DLo package, which sounded like info from a source (I’m assuming from our FO).

He’s not going to say these are our offers as facts. That would 100% burn his sources. No team wants something like that out there. It pisses off players. See Simmons inclusion in the Harden package as an example.
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Post#927 » by Baseline81 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:16 pm

KGdaBom wrote:Yes and he's scrawny for a Sf. He doesn't have the size strength to be an all NBA defender. Hopefully he's doing some great strength training.

Disagree. McDaniels' quickness, height and length more than make up for his weight at SF.
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Post#928 » by moonpie » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:18 pm

FWIW I thought Jaden did a pretty good job defending Randle when we played the Knicks last year despite the big weight difference
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Post#929 » by jpatrick » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:19 pm

moonpie wrote:FWIW I thought Jaden did a pretty good job defending Randle when we played the Knicks last year despite the big weight difference


Jaden is not too skinny for a 20 year old SF. He’ll fill out. Not everyone comes out of the womb buff like Ant.
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Post#930 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:19 pm

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Baseline81 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Yeah we all want McDaniels to be great myself included. Chances of that are very slim. He can't handle the ball so George is out of the question. He has a good blocked shot rate, but looking at him becoming an all NBA first team defender is a stretch. He's too skinny and will be abused by larger players. Hope I'm wrong unless we trade him then I hope I'm right.

Finch and Rosas have said they see McDaniels more as a SF than PF.

Yes and he's scrawny for a Sf. He doesn't have the size strength to be an all NBA defender. Hopefully he's doing some great strength training.


He has the perfect body type of a modern SF, he will naturally add some weight, I wouldn't go overboard trying to have him add it. Worrying about him being scrawny...I don't think should actually be a thing.
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Post#931 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:47 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Yes and he's scrawny for a Sf. He doesn't have the size strength to be an all NBA defender. Hopefully he's doing some great strength training.

Disagree. McDaniels' quickness, height and length more than make up for his weight at SF.

You have your right to be wrong. However, I will celebrate with you when McDaniels makes his first All NBA defensive first team. When is that going to happen?
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Post#932 » by thinktank » Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:31 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Yes and he's scrawny for a Sf. He doesn't have the size strength to be an all NBA defender. Hopefully he's doing some great strength training.

Disagree. McDaniels' quickness, height and length more than make up for his weight at SF.

You have your right to be wrong. However, I will celebrate with you when McDaniels makes his first All NBA defensive first team. When is that going to happen?


Feel free to retire “you have your right to be wrong”.

It’s such a douche move.
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Post#933 » by shrink » Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:43 pm

I’m thinking more and more that if a trade is done with MIN, it’s going to be Russell and a pick.

I get that Morey wasn’t excited about Russell a month ago, with visions of Dame and Beal dancing in his head. But DLo checks the boxes that PHI needs most. He’s a PG who is a good passer to facilitate an offense, a decent shooter, and you can put the ball in his hands in the final two minutes. His defensive weaknesses are minimized on the Sixers, who have several good defenders. As Morie tries to save face from playing this situation so badly, it doesn’t hurt either that Russell is a well known name in LA and NY, and was recently an All Star.

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On the MIN side, trading Russell keeps the team financially flexible, with only two max deals. We would eventually need a true PG, but the NBA is full of talented PG’s right now, and we can sell Simmons on the idea of having a larger role play-making. The issue of Russell’s friendship with Towns is minimized, by bringing in another of Towns friends who is a better player.

For Simmons, MIN isn’t California, but he comes to a lower stress city without the media on his butt. His pal Towns would welcome him. Most Wolves fans would be thrilled to have him here, and he’d be lauded for bringing defense to a team that has been so bad at it. If the team improves (and it should regardless, simply through the growth from young players), Simmons will get a lot of the credit, since the Wolves fanbase has seen so little success.

I have not changed my mind that Russell is worth his max contract, but there is plenty of reasons to be wary of Simmons’ as well. Both are better fits on each others’ team. I think a deal with Russell and an unprotected 1st is more realistic than the multi-player, multi-pick predictions we see so often.
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Post#934 » by jpatrick » Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:49 pm

shrink wrote:I’m thinking more and more that if a trade is done with MIN, it’s going to be Russell and a pick.

I get that Morey wasn’t excited about Russell a month ago, with visions of Dame and Beal dancing in his head. But DLo checks the boxes that PHI needs most. He’s a PG who is a good passer to facilitate an offense, a decent shooter, and you can put the ball in his hands in the final two minutes. His defensive weaknesses are minimized on the Sixers, who have several good defenders. As Morie tries to save face from playing this situation so badly, it doesn’t hurt either that Russell is a well known name in LA and NY, and was recently an All Star.

On the MIN side, trading Russell keeps the team financially flexible, with only two max deals. We would eventually need a true PG, but the NBA is full of talented PG’s right now, and we can sell Simmons on the idea of having a larger role play-making. The issue of Russell’s friendship with Towns is minimized, by bringing in another of Towns friends who is a better player.

For Simmons, MIN isn’t California, but he comes to a lower stress city without the media on his butt. His pal Towns would welcome him. Most Wolves fans would be thrilled to have him here, and he’d be lauded for bringing defense to a team that has been so bad at it. If the team improves (and it should regardless, simply through the growth from young players), Simmons will get a lot of the credit, since the Wolves fanbase has seen so little success.

I have not changed my mind that Russell is worth his max contract, but there is plenty of reasons to be wary of Simmons’ as well. Both are better fits on each others’ team. I think a deal with Russell and an unprotected 1st is more realistic than the multi-player, multi-pick predictions we see so often.


You may be right, but I don’t think so. Morey’s pivot from Dame/Beal isn’t going to be a “good” player that will help them win but lock them into a 4-6 seed with no realistic path to a championship. I see him looking for some helpful players but picks being the key. Those picks are the currency he’ll need to get a star when one does become available. That really is his only path to a championship.
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Post#935 » by Klomp » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:29 pm

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shrink wrote:I’m thinking more and more that if a trade is done with MIN, it’s going to be Russell and a pick.

I get that Morey wasn’t excited about Russell a month ago, with visions of Dame and Beal dancing in his head. But DLo checks the boxes that PHI needs most. He’s a PG who is a good passer to facilitate an offense, a decent shooter, and you can put the ball in his hands in the final two minutes. His defensive weaknesses are minimized on the Sixers, who have several good defenders. As Morie tries to save face from playing this situation so badly, it doesn’t hurt either that Russell is a well known name in LA and NY, and was recently an All Star.

On the MIN side, trading Russell keeps the team financially flexible, with only two max deals. We would eventually need a true PG, but the NBA is full of talented PG’s right now, and we can sell Simmons on the idea of having a larger role play-making. The issue of Russell’s friendship with Towns is minimized, by bringing in another of Towns friends who is a better player.

For Simmons, MIN isn’t California, but he comes to a lower stress city without the media on his butt. His pal Towns would welcome him. Most Wolves fans would be thrilled to have him here, and he’d be lauded for bringing defense to a team that has been so bad at it. If the team improves (and it should regardless, simply through the growth from young players), Simmons will get a lot of the credit, since the Wolves fanbase has seen so little success.

I have not changed my mind that Russell is worth his max contract, but there is plenty of reasons to be wary of Simmons’ as well. Both are better fits on each others’ team. I think a deal with Russell and an unprotected 1st is more realistic than the multi-player, multi-pick predictions we see so often.


You may be right, but I don’t think so. Morey’s pivot from Dame/Beal isn’t going to be a “good” player that will help them win but lock them into a 4-6 seed with no realistic path to a championship. I see him looking for some helpful players but picks being the key. Those picks are the currency he’ll need to get a star when one does become available. That really is his only path to a championship.

OK, so let's build off of that. Let's say he needs the currency to get a star. How much do stars make? This is the last season that Lillard will be under $40 million. Beal is at $33 million. It's hard to piecemeal a deal together that wouldn't end up being a 5-for-1 type. Beasley/Prince/Beverley would become Philadelphia's new tradable assets (Washington, Portland, etc. wouldn't be excited about the Harris contract).

I do think it's notable that Rosas has never said (through the local media) that Russell is off-limits. He's said he'd like to keep him, but not that he must. Morey could then view Rosas putting him into an offer as a concession from our end. I do think a little more value may be necessary (picks and/or prospects), but a deal will be easier to put together, even though they don't necessarily want to give up Russell.

Russell has been traded for prime assets before, this wouldn't be unheard-of low value for the Sixers.
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Post#936 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:39 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:Disagree. McDaniels' quickness, height and length more than make up for his weight at SF.

You have your right to be wrong. However, I will celebrate with you when McDaniels makes his first All NBA defensive first team. When is that going to happen?


Feel free to retire “you have your right to be wrong”.

It’s such a douche move.

Nope. I love it. :D
And calling it a douche move is kind of disgusting. is that how you like to insult people calling them feminine hygiene products? How very enlightened of you. it's a million times worse than me saying a person has a right to be wrong.
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Post#937 » by KGdaBom » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:40 pm

shrink wrote:I’m thinking more and more that if a trade is done with MIN, it’s going to be Russell and a pick.

I get that Morey wasn’t excited about Russell a month ago, with visions of Dame and Beal dancing in his head. But DLo checks the boxes that PHI needs most. He’s a PG who is a good passer to facilitate an offense, a decent shooter, and you can put the ball in his hands in the final two minutes. His defensive weaknesses are minimized on the Sixers, who have several good defenders. As Morie tries to save face from playing this situation so badly, it doesn’t hurt either that Russell is a well known name in LA and NY, and was recently an All Star.

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On the MIN side, trading Russell keeps the team financially flexible, with only two max deals. We would eventually need a true PG, but the NBA is full of talented PG’s right now, and we can sell Simmons on the idea of having a larger role play-making. The issue of Russell’s friendship with Towns is minimized, by bringing in another of Towns friends who is a better player.

For Simmons, MIN isn’t California, but he comes to a lower stress city without the media on his butt. His pal Towns would welcome him. Most Wolves fans would be thrilled to have him here, and he’d be lauded for bringing defense to a team that has been so bad at it. If the team improves (and it should regardless, simply through the growth from young players), Simmons will get a lot of the credit, since the Wolves fanbase has seen so little success.

I have not changed my mind that Russell is worth his max contract, but there is plenty of reasons to be wary of Simmons’ as well. Both are better fits on each others’ team. I think a deal with Russell and an unprotected 1st is more realistic than the multi-player, multi-pick predictions we see so often.

I don't see it. The trade is to unite them not swap them.
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Post#938 » by SO_MONEY » Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 pm

shrink wrote:I’m thinking more and more that if a trade is done with MIN, it’s going to be Russell and a pick.

I get that Morey wasn’t excited about Russell a month ago, with visions of Dame and Beal dancing in his head. But DLo checks the boxes that PHI needs most. He’s a PG who is a good passer to facilitate an offense, a decent shooter, and you can put the ball in his hands in the final two minutes. His defensive weaknesses are minimized on the Sixers, who have several good defenders. As Morie tries to save face from playing this situation so badly, it doesn’t hurt either that Russell is a well known name in LA and NY, and was recently an All Star.

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On the MIN side, trading Russell keeps the team financially flexible, with only two max deals. We would eventually need a true PG, but the NBA is full of talented PG’s right now, and we can sell Simmons on the idea of having a larger role play-making. The issue of Russell’s friendship with Towns is minimized, by bringing in another of Towns friends who is a better player.

For Simmons, MIN isn’t California, but he comes to a lower stress city without the media on his butt. His pal Towns would welcome him. Most Wolves fans would be thrilled to have him here, and he’d be lauded for bringing defense to a team that has been so bad at it. If the team improves (and it should regardless, simply through the growth from young players), Simmons will get a lot of the credit, since the Wolves fanbase has seen so little success.

I have not changed my mind that Russell is worth his max contract, but there is plenty of reasons to be wary of Simmons’ as well. Both are better fits on each others’ team. I think a deal with Russell and an unprotected 1st is more realistic than the multi-player, multi-pick predictions we see so often.


Shrink I get you don't like DLo, I am not a big fan either, but a big "heck no" to bringing Simmons to this team as a PG, no, no, no. If that is the plan I want assets for taking him back.

I am not worried about our financial situation and we will have basically no way to bring a player back of Russell's caliber, no matter how imperfect he is. We will work with the constraints of three MAX deals and it is probably an indication that we are willing to go into the LUX, this year or next.
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Post#939 » by shrink » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:21 pm

It’s not about DLo. It’s about Rosas.

About 16 months ago, Rosas let it be known he was really interested in getting Russell. He had the famous helicopter ride to try to sign him as a free agent, and by the trade deadline, it became clear he still wanted him. NBA fans everywhere said, “Rosas is desperate to get DLo, GSW has all the leverage, so they are going to get Covington (a perfect fit for the Warriors) and picks!”

Rosas didn’t do what everyone said. As I predicted (.. he bragged!), Rosas highly prioritizes flexibility. Instead of adding a third max deal, he included Wiggins’ max deal in the trade

I think there are similarities with Simmons. I agree with Klomp - Rosas refused to put Russell off limits, and Krawzinski has said that if push came to shove, he’d trade him. DLo and a 1st is my prediction.
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Post#940 » by breatnach » Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:45 pm

KGdaBom wrote:I don't see it. The trade is to unite them not swap them.


Is making D'Lo happy really a concern of ours? He's only here because we wanted to keep Towns happy. I don't think we can keep just trading for players that get along off the court so they can play together on our dime.

If KAT gives his blessing, I have no issues trading D'Lo.

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