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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#921 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:14 am

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your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.


I don't think the problem is as much the Sixers players and organization as it is the Sixers fan base and media. I don't think that Simmons can handle the pressure to perform that Philadelphia fans and media put on athletes that play for their teams. Now, what is truly ridiculous about this is that Ben SImmons has been LOVED by Sixers fans for virtually his entire Sixers career. They literally CHEER every time he takes a 3, and go CRAZY when he hits one.

Not to say that fans in other cities are not knowledgable and demanding, but Philly fans demand that players on their teams work hard, give it their all, and simply do their best. Guys like Brian Dawkins - who would occasionally get IV's after games because of how much he would empty his tank - were WORSHIPPED in Philly...and the feeling was mutual. Same with Allen Iverson. That is why Embiid is loved - he feeds off of the passion of Philly fans. He also took it to heart when Sixers fans said he wasn't in the shape he needed to be in...he accepted the challenge, and became an MVP-caliber player.

Not every player loved playing in Philly. Mike Schmidt - arguably the greatest 3rd baseman of all time - was too cool and detached for Philly fans, and Schmidt had a difficult time with the media. Philly fans will not let you slide or go through the motions - they demand their pound of flesh ("Are you not ENTERTAINED?"), but if you "play every game like it is your last" (AI), you will be universally loved.

Ben SImmons simply cannot hold up to the demands of Philadelphia sports fans. He has had his share of snarky social media posts over the past year or so - believing that some fans (and the sports radio ecosystem) focused more on what he COULDN'T do than what he did well. There certainly was a portion of the fanbase that felt that way - that Simmons had not improved at all on the holes in his offensive game, which was the team Achilles' Heel in the playoffs (did I mention that the fan base is passionate and knowledgable?), It came home to roost in the Atlanta series, with Ben melting down on the court for the entire world to see.

Now, if 1) Sixers fans KNEW that he took these holes in his game seriously and was working RELENTLESSLY to fix these holes in his game (including taking outside shots during the season and going to the line even though he wasn't great at it - like a true MVP like GIannis did), or 2) if, instead of saying after Game 7, "I am what I am ...it is what it is", saying, "I know that I have let my teammates and the fans down due to the issues with my offensive game, and I promise you that I will work ALL SUMMER long to fix these issues once and for all". the city would have supported him and embraced him. However, the path he chose instead was to find others to scapegoat (see: Rivers, Glenn aka "Doc").

Sixers fans aren't buying that weak sauce ish...and Ben knows it.

So the solution?

"Send me to Minnesota...or Sacramento...or somewhere where I can have the team built around me" - with, I guess, the fan adulation and low EXPECTATIONS FOR GREATNESS that he thinks may come with that. Although I think that if Ben Simmons thinks that by getting traded to the Wolves or Spurs or Kings will eliminate the expectations that fans will have for "Simmo the Savage", I think he is in for a rude awakening. Fans in those cities won't put up with this jabroni crap, either (and neither will the players).

Jason Kelce had it right a few weeks ago:

"Just play better, man. The city will love you."


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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#922 » by OG-ClipsBwagon » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:18 am

Serious questions.


If you're an NBA GM and you get a call to entertain Ben Simmons. Why even take it ?

This man is going to eat between 35-40mil of your payroll , mentally weak and can't even score. At this stage I'm starting to think Daryl Morey has been ghosted by other gms and nothing but social media rumors .
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#923 » by Nate505 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:19 am

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Well, we can't expect a professional athlete to travel with a team her signed a contract to play for. Think of what that'll do to his mental health!

He still deserves to get paid though.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#924 » by DTP » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:31 am

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If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.


One cockamamie excuse after another. Good post


You don't think your brother/manager getting accused of rape by your sister would be a bit of a head trip? It isn't like he wasn't dealing with some crazy crap this year....


Most logical people aren't disputing that. A lot of professional athletes are battling mental health struggles....and as a human, I can empathize with that. That has nothing to do with the Sixers not paying him for not working. No work, no pay.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#925 » by payton2kemp » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:37 am

This stalemate is intense. So has Ben man any actually money so far this year? Or is it all being held?
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#926 » by HardenGoat » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:48 am

This is getting worse by the week. They are going to end up with John Wall is my guess.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#927 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:49 am

therealozzykhan wrote:This stalemate is intense. So has Ben man any actually money so far this year? Or is it all being held?


He got 25% of annual salary in July (just over $8 million) plus same again last month less a couple of million in fines

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#928 » by DwayneSchintzus » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:51 am

this has turned into some real "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" shizzz...and I'm pulling for Simmons lmao
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#929 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:53 am

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#930 » by durden_tyler » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:54 am

Go Sixers! Philadelphia is gaining a lot of fans by standing up to a diva like Simmons!
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#931 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:56 am

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One cockamamie excuse after another. Good post


You don't think your brother/manager getting accused of rape by your sister would be a bit of a head trip? It isn't like he wasn't dealing with some crazy crap this year....


Most logical people aren't disputing that. A lot of professional athletes are battling mental health struggles....and as a human, I can empathize with that. That has nothing to do with the Sixers not paying him for not working. No work, no pay.


Highly paid people get paid to spend time working on their mental health....like it or not. That however is a separate topic than just pointing out this whole thing wasn't out of the blue or all of a sudden.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#932 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:00 am

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#933 » by K3nny Pow3rs » Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:03 am

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K3nny Pow3rs wrote:The game data is irrelevant, because he was hardly attempting any shots in his earlier years either (even though he was attempting more). And nearly all his 3-point-attempts were from halfcourt on buzzers.
The only relevant data (in terms of measuring his shooting skills) is in practice, because he doesn't have a psychological problem in practice.
One thing is for sure, the Ben Simmons you see in games has nothing to do with the Ben Simmons in practice.
Neither of us would make bets, because neither of us can measure his shooting skill or forecast what his right-hand can do.


I do not believe the game data to be irrelevant at all. If a player cannot reproduce a skill in game then they don't really have that skill. It's like having a 20 dollar bill that you can never, ever use. And when I'm talking about shooting, I'm not even talking just about 3s. I believe that Simmons would be fine if he simply had an 18-foot jumper. Really, any kind of scoring outside the restricted area. But he simply doesn't so far.

I had this argument about Simmons in a fantasy league I am in - there is a subset of Philly (or not Philly?) fans who think Philly is explicitly holding Simmons back and he actually can shoot and has a bunch of tricks in his bag and he simply does not use them because Philly is mean to him??? But somehow Embiid has grown in the same time period.

It is just not rational thinking

I've never seen anyone post anything like that, so not sure what forum you are reading....
And all I've said is, nobody has a clue what Ben Simmons can do, because he hasn't switched to his preferred hand (his right-hand).....and we haven't even seen enough of him shooting with his left-hand.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#934 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:45 am

durden_tyler wrote:Go Sixers! Philadelphia is gaining a lot of fans by standing up to a diva like Simmons!


If you think that Morey is taking an honourable stand against player empowerment then I have an iceberg to sell you

He wants Simmons to play in order to pump his trade value & will ship him as soon as an acceptable deal is offered

That was revealed months ago
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#935 » by durden_tyler » Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:05 am

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durden_tyler wrote:Go Sixers! Philadelphia is gaining a lot of fans by standing up to a diva like Simmons!


If you think that Morey is taking an honourable stand against player empowerment then I have an iceberg to sell you

He wants Simmons to play in order to pump his trade value & will ship him as soon as an acceptable deal is offered

That was revealed months ago


Am all for empowering players. Not divas.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#936 » by God Squad » Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:20 am

OG-ClipsBwagon wrote:Serious questions.


If you're an NBA GM and you get a call to entertain Ben Simmons. Why even take it ?

This man is going to eat between 35-40mil of your payroll , mentally weak and can't even score. At this stage I'm starting to think Daryl Morey has been ghosted by other gms and nothing but social media rumors .

Yup. That's where i'm at in terms of this situation. His asking price is absurd so I'm not surprised no one is biting. I'm one of the few people on Realgm that still think Ben is a hell of a player, especially in the right situation. Still not a fan of how he's going about it, but a trade needs to happen for both parties.

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#937 » by Asianiac_24 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:24 am

Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#938 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:41 am

OG-ClipsBwagon wrote:Serious questions.


If you're an NBA GM and you get a call to entertain Ben Simmons. Why even take it ?

This man is going to eat between 35-40mil of your payroll , mentally weak and can't even score. At this stage I'm starting to think Daryl Morey has been ghosted by other gms and nothing but social media rumors .
I agree.
The payroll hit isn't worth the risk or building process for a player that's not capable of being even the third guy on offense. While he defends it's about all he does. The headaches not worth it.

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#939 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:00 am

Asianiac_24 wrote:Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?


What’s the point in demanding that he travels when he’s not going to play anyway?

He hasn’t even practiced with the team yet so isn’t taking the court & it would simply be a media circus

Keep him in Camden with the medical staff & trainers that the team has appointed to look after him

No show to that & then you fine him

This isn’t a Kawhi situation where he’s disappeared
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#940 » by BoatsNZones » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:13 am

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Asianiac_24 wrote:Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?


What’s the point in demanding that he travels when he’s not going to play anyway?

He hasn’t even practiced with the team yet so isn’t taking the court & it would simply be a media circus

Keep him in Camden with the medical staff & trainers that the team has appointed to look after him

No show to that & then you fine him

This isn’t a Kawhi situation where he’s disappeared

Why would the Sixers do him any favors? They are opponents. He is not a part of their team and made that very clear.

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