2010-11 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread

[LewAlcinder]

I liked the Chisholm trades however, we have expirings, TPE and draft picks.

Keep Jose/Barbosa - solid second unit players for a developed young core

Stay away from projects that have failed in other places - Until we have a real big man coach or a veteran big man on the roster - the type of big that we need will not be developed in house and will have to come fully formed from outside. Thabeet won't work here, We have a coaching staff of scorers

Stop picking the best player available at your strongest position and then have him play out of position. You pick the BPA to stockpile assets - The best SG available cannot always be made into a great point guard and the best power forward can't be made a centre.

Build with Bargs not around him - move him to his natural position PF

If you don't win the lottery see if you can move up - also buy more picks - Raptors are one of the only lottery teams that will have little issue with the lockout financially and can be buyers this offseason of uncertainty. There will be teams looking to get out of the first round or the lottery because of the contract obligations. Capitalize on this, stockpile assets and when the CBA issues are settled you may be able to use those rookie assets to acquire more seasoned talent.

At present with all expirings the Raptors could have 6 roster spots available - or 4 after using our 2 current first round picks.

[Ducksplatt]

I liked the Chisholm trades however, we have expirings, TPE and draft picks.

Keep Jose/Barbosa - solid second unit players for a developed young core

Stay away from projects that have failed in other places - Until we have a real big man coach or a veteran big man on the roster - the type of big that we need will not be developed in house and will have to come fully formed from outside. Thabeet won't work here, We have a coaching staff of scorers

Stop picking the best player available at your strongest position and then have him play out of position. You pick the BPA to stockpile assets - The best SG available cannot always be made into a great point guard and the best power forward can't be made a centre.

Build with Bargs not around him - move him to his natural position PF

If you don't win the lottery see if you can move up - also buy more picks - Raptors are one of the only lottery teams that will have little issue with the lockout financially and can be buyers this offseason of uncertainty. There will be teams looking to get out of the first round or the lottery because of the contract obligations. Capitalize on this, stockpile assets and when the CBA issues are settled you may be able to use those rookie assets to acquire more seasoned talent.

At present with all expirings the Raptors could have 6 roster spots available - or 4 after using our 2 current first round picks.

OK, I am going to have to ask you to leave this thread. You are making too much sense. Come on. If we get Mayo we could have:
Bayless at PG who is an undersized SG
Mayo at SG who is an undersized SG
DeRozen at SF who is a SG
Kleiza at PF who is between a PF and SF
Bargs at C who is a PF

[Morris_Shatford]

article by Chisholm...

If the Raps can deal Barbo + Min Contract for Mayo and Thabeet & Sonny for Avery Bradley I would be a happy fan,

But there is no way the Griz or Celts go for that.

[OAKLEY_2]

Keep Jose/Barbosa - solid second unit players for a developed young core ...

Agree. For the most part. With Amir and Ed playing so well at the four I wouldn't put Bargnani there. I guess the purpose of this whole exercise first and foremost is to get as many young assets as possible. Barbosa has the ability to help us get more young assets. Jose is a money saving proposition so you have to weigh the merits of him staying and doing what you foresee or whether we could get a savings of one or more years of his salary by swapping him for someone like Hinrich. If you get Hinrich then Barbosa is replaced. I think Flynn should be a target of ours and I would say he is not another team's bust in any way. Put another way it is way too early to know. Barbosa/Miami pick for Flynn(22)/Webster(24) makes sense. The thing with this draft is yes you want Irving but the chances of getting him at this point are probably in the 10% range. Slightly better for Jones III. So players like Valancuinas, Kanter and Barnes start to come into view. Because there are so many trades possible BPA will be tricky navigation especially when talking about power forwards or two guards. Avery Bradley is a little guy on a great team and the Chisolm suggestion of either bad shot selection Weems or no shot at all Julian would be something I would endorse. I think we should be prepared to realize that we are in a good position to add youth via trade but the possibility looms large we will not get a franchise payer from this draft. A very good player and a good piece to have but not a Vince or a Blake Griffin. We are going to have to buy a franchise payer or trade significant assets for one down the road because at this point we do not have those obvious assets.

[Big Shot]

Reggie Evans for Earl Clark

Orlando needs a rebounder as a backup to Howard and Raps acquires a potential SF and an asset in Clark.

[OAKLEY_2]

But there is no way the Griz or Celts go for that.

I agree with you about any deal with the Grizz. They are going to want a lot. It just isn't worth it at our end to be upping the ante for a guy with issues albeit one with huge potential, or especially for another project big who shows no signs of even being an NBA player. As for Bradley for say Julian Wright it really depends if Boston needs a lockdown defender 3 as they have a small window left for the title and they got close last year. Julian Wright as bench depth for a title run would be a smart move on their part. Bradley is not so coveted by them that they won't consider immediate help. Boston certainly does not need Julian Wright shooting. With Rondo and the really little guy I cannot see how hanging on to Bradley makes any sense.

[NH]

But there is no way the Griz or Celts go for that.

I agree with you about any deal with the Grizz. They are going to want a lot. It just isn't worth it at our end to be upping the ante for a guy with issues albeit one with huge potential, or especially for another project big who shows no signs of even being an NBA player. As for Bradley for say Julian Wright it really depends if Boston needs a lockdown defender 3 as they have a small window left for the title and they got close last year. Julian Wright as bench depth for a title run would be a smart move on their part. Bradley is not so coveted by them that they won't consider immediate help. Boston certainly does not need Julian Wright shooting. With Rondo and the really little guy I cannot see how hanging on to Bradley makes any sense.

It really depends on what the Grizz have on their table. I am pretty sure they are serious in making a playoff run, and probably is tired of Mayo's antics. Barbosa gives them exactly what they wanted out of Mayo (scoring in the back court and bench) without the distractions; gives them stability. Throw in some young pieces like Dorsey, Alabi, and the Miami Pick and I think we have a good case. What are other teams offering them? May the best bidder win!

Bradley makes a lot of sense too, and I am down for Weems, Wright, or whatever expiring scraps we have for him. Bayless is the new Barbosa, so we need a PG who can defend. Looking forward to Feb 24

[Morris_Shatford]

It really depends on what the Grizz have on their table. I am pretty sure they are serious in making a playoff run, and probably is tired of Mayo's antics. Barbosa gives them exactly what they wanted out of Mayo (scoring in the back court and bench) without the distractions; gives them stability. Throw in some young pieces like Dorsey, Alabi, and the Miami Pick and I think we have a good case. What are other teams offering them? May the best bidder win

I would still do a Barbosa, Alabi, and Miami 1st for Mayo + Thabeet deal, all day long.
I just cant see Memphis doing that.

[DreamTeam09]

I'm only taking on Mayo if he wants to come off the bench. I'm not starting him at SG and he was dumb enough not to learn any pg skills while standing at only 6'4. I'll give him 20+ minutes off the bench if he wants, but say no to starting him at sg & moving Damar to SF. Thabeet as a back-up big man would be welcomed too.

[HomieOmey]

I would still do a Barbosa, Alabi, and Miami 1st for Mayo + Thabeet deal, all day long. I just cant see Memphis doing that.

With Mayo, we're definitely going to have to wait and see. A lot of team fans think they can get Mayo for virtually nothing, so it's hard to A) gauge what his actual value is and B) whether or not the Grizzlies would even give him away for that "value."

[Hassassin]

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/tim_chisholm/?id=353001

Another fantastic article by Chisholm. Love any of these deals really. Barbosa + Solomon Alabi for Mayo and Thabett will be nice

Yes that deal would be nice but those deals in that article are heavily favoured towards Toronto. Other teams can offer more than Barbosa + whatever garbage the Raptors can/would offer for Mayo. Excluding fillers, a deal surrounding just Thabeet and Barbosa is more realistic and more doable.

As for the Flynn deal, its hard to say because both teams are rebuilding and the Wolves don't have any specific need that the Raptors can meet. Unless they want Jose Calderon to ease Rubio's transition to the NBA, but that is a pipe dream. I don't see Webster as a bad contract to tell you the truth as he only has a little bit more than 10M guaranteed on his contract. IMO a guy like Pekovic who isn't really used a lot in Minnesota and has more remaining on his contract would probably be more likely to go in a trade than Webster.

[OAKLEY_2]

Yes that deal would be nice but those deals in that article are heavily favoured towards Toronto.

Agreed. Barbosa has most value going to a contender. The Mayo transaction is based on taking expensive risk Thabeet which I say no thanks. Getting Flynn is based on Rubio coming over which is no sure thing and being able to move Jose which is also no sure thing. Getting Avery Bradley for Weems or Julian Wright assumes he has the value of a player who has recently spent time in the NBDL and not someone who was supposed to be a high lotto pick. Things we may have to consider. We likely cannot get a franchise player in this draft. We may not be barnstormers in trades moving the expiring assets and/or Barbosa. The most important point to realize is that one of Amir, Ed Davis or Bargnani may have to go in order to facilitate something that can actually propel us forward. If the plan is to maximize Bargnani then he can't be sharing minutes at the 4 with both Amir and Davis. I think trading Amir would be foolish which means either Davis or Bargnani has to go. I say he likely stays at the 5 with the thinking that we have to improve in strength, size, skill and athleticism at the 3. Kleiza only fits part of that description and he isn't exactly a physical force especially on the IR. So I would say game changers for us is a real tough 2-way QB type of point guard. That doesn't necessarily have to be part of a youth movement. Up next is acquiring as close as a franchise type player there can be had for the 3 position who is young. Last on the list for 2011 is a credible defensive back-up centre. Dalembert signed as a free agent might fit that bill.

[JamesNaismith]

I would love any deal that gets Avery Bradley here.

[marcwagz]

We have a bunch of expiring contract and such that we should trade but should we really try to amp the team up this late in the season and just wreck the tank...

Is it possible to trade their contracts for draft picks?

What about the TPE? Is there anyway to turn that into a draft pick?

[McFurious1]

We have a bunch of expiring contract and such that we should trade but should we really try to amp the team up this late in the season and just wreck the tank...

Is it possible to trade their contracts for draft picks?

What about the TPE? Is there anyway to turn that into a draft pick?

It is possible to turn the TPE into a draft pick, but it will result in us taking on a bad contract.

[Snidely FC]

There is a reason why Mayo is available and his name is Sam Young. Same with Granger at Indy with Paul George. George and Young are the guys Toronto should be going after. Better all around players, younger, better compliments to what we already have. Guys who can shoot the three and get after it defensively. Reggie Willians in GS another example who would fit this team better than Weems. Paul George would be the guy to really go for. If we could pry him away from Indy he'd be a super fit in TOR.

[Spragga]

A poster on the bucks board suggested Amir and our 1st for Jennings and Larry Sanders.
If the pick was top 1 protected would u do it?

[NH]

A poster on the bucks board suggested Amir and our 1st for Jennings and Larry Sanders.
If the pick was top 1 protected would u do it?

Protected top 10 yes I would do that for sure. Sanders is a good big man that I would have wanted instead of Ed Davis last draft. Unless we get Irving (and he might not even come out), Jennings is better.

[Rapsobsessed7]

i love this for everyone so let me know what you think.

To Toronto: Morris Peterson + Jeff Green

To Memphis: Leandro Barbosa + Nenad Kristic + Miami 2011 1st Round Pick + Oklahoma 2011 1st Round Pick

To Sacramento: Oj Mayo + Hasheem Thabeet + Reggie Evans

To Oklahoma City: Carl Landry + Samuel Dalembert + Demarr Carroll

Raptors get Jeff Green and can match him in the summer. They get younger and get a nice fit beside Bargnani + solve their SF problems

Memphis gets someone to help them make the playoffs now and grab 2 picks out of it. They also save 4 million next year to re-up Gasol + Randolph. Kristic + Barbosa are nice vets off the bench which will really help Memphis

Sacramento gets someone whos perfect for Evans. Mayo can guard the PG and Evans the SG and play them at the 1/2. They get someone like Thabeet to develop as the "next Dalembert" and get better for the future. They draft a SF (T.Jones/P.Jones/H.Barnes) and this team would be really fun to watch for the future

Oklahoma city gets a starting lineup to compete in the playoffs this year. Dalembert gives them a shot blocker at the C position and Landry gives them an actual PF not someone like Green who should be playing SF but is forced into PF because of Durant. This makes them a much better team and there is no financial commitment because both are expiring.

Calderon / Bayless / Johnson
Derozan / Weems / Peterson
Green / Wright / Klezia*
Amir / Davis / Dorsey
Bargnani / Ajincia / Alabi

Mayo / Beno / Jeter
Evans / Garcia / Head
Caspi / Green
Thompson / Evans / Jackson
Cousins / Thabeet / Whiteside

Westbrook / Maynor / Ivey
Thabo / Harden / Cook
Durant / Carroll
Landry / Collison / White
Dalembert / Ibaka / Aldrich / Mullens

Conley / Williams / Vasquez
Henry / Barbosa
Gay / Allen / Young
Randolph / Arthur
Gasol / Kristic / Haddadi

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[douggood]

i love this for everyone so let me know what you think.

To Toronto: Morris Peterson + Jeff Green

To Memphis: Leandro Barbosa + Nenad Kristic + Miami 2011 1st Round Pick + Oklahoma 2011 1st Round Pick

To Sacramento: Oj Mayo + Hasheem Thabeet + Reggie Evans

To Oklahoma City: Carl Landry + Samuel Dalembert + Demarr Carroll
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my 2 cents.
raptors get green too cheaply.
Mayo is redundant on Sac with evans there.
And a straight up trade between sac/okc makes more sense with the main players being green for landry.