Summer League Fun

SSOL · Post #941 » by **SSOL** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:30 pm

Lol jdiddy are you saying Warren was getting looked at because he was struggling and wasn't hurt? If so, what a speculative and preposterous assumption. He's been our best and most consistent player this summer.

Revived · Post #942 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:43 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Of course, someone has a bad game and blames an injury. Warren was getting looked at in the sideline, but players always do that when they're struggling. I play basketball and I'm sucking I'd be the first to admit it but that's just me.

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What? I doubt that Warren cares enough about his summer league performance in one game to fake an injury to excuse a poor game. This is summer league, it doesn't matter.

Not only that but Warren probably injured his back....from carrying the team from game 1 til this game...so he's played well enough that he knows he can afford one bad game without having to fake an injury as an excuse.

It's one thing to do that maybe in the regular season but the summer league? Lol.

JMac1 · Post #943 » by **JMac1** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:50 pm

itlnsunsfan wrote:I like Booker. He had an excellent game. However, I find it curious that Booker garners so much admiration for his shooting when he hasn't shot that well, with an overall field goal percentage of 41% (granted he is averaging 37% from 3). What I find especially interesting is while I'm watching, I'm seeing Archie Goodwin hit jumpers consistently, an ability that seemed so distant but a year ago, and yet I don't see much talk about it. Statistically, he is shooting 46% overall and 33% from 3, and while not fantastic numbers, they are certainly serviceable. My question is has Archie actually developed a decent jumpshot from that horrifying thing he called a shot when he first came into the league?

Booker garners so much admiration for his shooting when he hasn't shot that well, with an overall field goal percentage of 41% (granted he is averaging 37% from 3).

Because we are giving him a mulligan on his early shooting, due to the difference in the college three and pro three, and just overall adjustment. Thus far it appears he only needed two games. That's impressive. His last three games have been very impressive. But if that doesn't work for you cool, but you find it "curious" as if it was that hard to understand why MOST Suns fans are excited, wow.

I'm seeing Archie Goodwin hit jumpers consistently, an ability that seemed so distant but a year ago, and yet I don't see much talk about it. Statistically, he is shooting 46% overall and 33% from 3, and while not fantastic numbers, they are certainly serviceable.

You said it. Shooting 33 percent is not serviceable for what we are looking for; we are looking for 3pt shooting and rebounding. We shot 34 percent as a team and that was unacceptable, why would we accept Archie 33 percent? His overall 46 percent is because of his fast break layups. Archie is not a good shooter. Just the fact that you want to applaud him on his growth to 33 percent is proof. Someone pull up his summer shot chart.

Archie is out of control way to often than not, Isaiah and company called him out on national TV about not passing and running over people in the paint like a bowling ball. Archie hasn't showed that the game has slowed down for him. Booker v. Archie is night and day in the favor of Booker...sorry.

My question is has Archie actually developed a decent jumpshot from that horrifying thing he called a shot when he first came into the league

NO.

carey · Post #944 » by **carey** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:17 pm

JMac1 wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:My question is has Archie actually developed a decent jumpshot from that horrifying thing he called a shot when he first came into the league

NO.

Form wise, it does look a lot better than it did when he got here. The little hitch in the top appears to be gone. I think he will get more accurate with it over time.

RunDogGun · Post #945 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:40 pm

carey wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:My question is has Archie actually developed a decent jumpshot from that horrifying thing he called a shot when he first came into the league

NO.

Form wise, it does look a lot better than it did when he got here. The little hitch in the top appears to be gone. I think he will get more accurate with it over time.

Is the hitch gone? In one of the first games, Houston I think, he had that wide open corner three, and his shot was super funky. It went in though, and maybe it was noticeable because our POV was from behind, but it looked like a hitch. I'm not as worried about his shot, as I am his control with the ball.

Post #946 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:41 pm

carey wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:My question is has Archie actually developed a decent jumpshot from that horrifying thing he called a shot when he first came into the league

NO.

Form wise, it does look a lot better than it did when he got here. The little hitch in the top appears to be gone. I think he will get more accurate with it over time.

That hitch is still there... a little. It's definitely smoothed out though. He's only 20 so he still has time to improve. He still needs to work on dribbling with his head up, as well as not always facing the basket when he has the ball (makes him predictable IMO).

Saberestar · Post #947 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:47 pm

I think Archie is a better shooter right now. He was really bad in his first year and now he is a bellow average shooter but improving. With an slightly improvement this year he can be a decent shooter and he is already really good going to the rim.

NavLDO · Post #948 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:15 pm

SF88 wrote:It's funny, I was really wanted us to draft Booker at the draft because I was so impressed and in love with his shooting form and yet, every time I see him play, I'm still more and more impressed by it.

It's one of those shooting strokes that people will eventually come to try and imitate when playing at the rec center or the park. Miss or make, his stroke remains the same and it's absolutely beautiful.

He's also very unselfish and makes the right play most of the time on the ball whether it's passing or scoring.

If this kid can get stronger, stay healthy and continue to work hard and add bits to his game every season, he will be worth more than anyone else on this roster. I hope I'm not jinxing him, the last player I was so excited about that we drafted was Goodwin and he's still having a hard time finding playing time.

Wish ya all the best Mr. Booker. The kind of shooting form this kid has isn't something you see in the draft every year.

But he was drafted 13th overall--you know, that 'late lotto pick' that we've had 5 of the last 7 years. He can't possibly have positive impact on this team--he can't ever be a 'star' player in he NBA...

And no, that wasn't directed at you, per se. Just seems to be the sentiment around here that we'll never improve if we keep drafting in the late lotto, hence, we need to tank for a couple of years to get REAL NBA talent on the team.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #949 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:07 pm

6 times more likely to be an All-Star with picks 1-5 than pick 11-15.

So with Lopez, Marshall, Clark, Morris, Warren, Booker, you'd hope 1 of them turn out to be a franchise type player, in the same way you'd hope a pick in the top 5 would be. I think Warren is the one with star quality, Booker could be a handy contributer similar to Morris and Lopez have turned out to be.

But any team that becomes a contender, is a massive exception to the rule by getting freak player/s through long odds. So really, throw the darts and hope you land one, then you can use more skill to build a roster to compliment that player.

Post #950 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:13 pm

Let's take it to the extreme here (just for fun). What if Bledsoe/Knight get injured early in the season and PJ Tucker has another DUI, we plug Booker into the starting lineup. He averages like 12 points per game for 5 games. What do we do?

jcsunsfan · Post #951 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:57 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Let's take it to the extreme here (just for fun). What if Bledsoe/Knight get injured early in the season and PJ Tucker has another DUI, we plug Booker into the starting lineup. He averages like 12 points per game for 5 games. What do we do?

Don't look back. Our coaching staff knows what they have in Booker. He is a Jeff Hornacek type of player. There is no way PJ Tucker is going into the starting line up at 2 over Booker, unless its a matchup that demands Tucker's defense.

Post #952 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:08 pm

Qwigglez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Warren with 2 points on 20% shooting today. Awful. Needs another two years in the D-League.

I was surprised the box score analysts who don't watch games didn't point that out as concerning, not knowing he had a hamstring injury in the first quarter.

Didn't know he had an injury, thanks. Was it just a tight hammy?

Hamstring strain.

Post #953 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:09 pm

SF88 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:@paulcoro: T.J. Warren was named All-Summer League first team. SA's Kyle Anderson won MVP. Phoenix North HS grad Alan Williams was a second-team pick.

This seems random, what does this have to do with rest of that tweet lol.

I guess just points out the guys with local connections who made the first and second summer league teams.

Post #954 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:22 pm

Honestly, that was one of the more satisfying Suns games I've watched in quite some time. I thought it would be tough with Len out, and then when Warren had the hamstring strain in the first, I thought there was little chance we would compete. Booker looked great, but James, Harrellson and Archie all looked great as well. This Spurs game should be a fun once.

GetYourPHX · Post #955 » by **GetYourPHX** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:29 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Let's take it to the extreme here (just for fun). What if Bledsoe/Knight get injured early in the season and PJ Tucker has another DUI, we plug Booker into the starting lineup. He averages like 12 points per game for 5 games. What do we do?

Watch El Nino make it rain and end the drought in the Southwest!

jcsunsfan · Post #956 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:51 pm

Reactions by Pels fans to Booker.

http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?84763-SL-Game-Thread-Pelicans-vs-Suns

gaspar · Post #957 » by **gaspar** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:28 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/623144433798656000[/tweet]

plonden · Post #958 » by **plonden** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:40 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/nbastats/status/623183761962831872[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/SynergySST/status/623167388444299265[/tweet]

Jdiddy701 · Post #959 » by **Jdiddy701** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:52 pm

I was talking about basketball players around the world. I think it's funny when someone misses a shot or has an off game and media and fans throw out the injury excuse. LBJ comes to mind.. Misses many shots, goes to the bench and "gets looked at" lol nobody's perfect and bad games will happen.

Not saying Warren wasn't hurt or anything just saying! I saw him limping both games but nobody was looking at him when he dropped 31 vs the Bulls.

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rottenbanana36 · Post #960 » by **rottenbanana36** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:08 pm

What I really liked about Booker is that his basketball IQ seems to be of the charts. He always seems to be in the right place on the break and coming off of screens. On top of that I liked that even though his 3 point shot was hot he didn't just settle for 3's, he still attacked the rim. A lot to like about the kid

Of the Summer league guys, who would you most like to see make our team?