OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[KissedByaRose1]

A rape accusation isn't some frivolous lawsuit that you just try. It comes with an extremely heavy price.

You are being willfully obtuse. None of the discussion in this thread is limiting itself to formally filed allegations of rape. The viewpoint against which you are crusading is the notion that rich, famous men (quit limiting it to basketball players which, again, no one in this thread is doing but you) are more likely to be faced with allegations of sexual assault accompanied by a demand for payment, than 8th grade history teachers are.

And this includes non-filed, non-public allegations which seek confidential settlements. To which you respond, prove it. To which I respond you are right, we cannot because they are by their very nature confidential and unknown. You demand proof you won't get (and know you won't get, which is why you are demanding it), and we don't care that you want it. And that's pretty much the end of it.

What did you call me?

[League Circles]

No financial reward is worth it. Look at the Kobe accuser - it destroyed her life.

She got $75000 worth of cocaine.

[musiqsoulchild]

Rich people are more susceptible to false lawsuits being filed against them than not-rich people.

Sounds about right to me.

I mean, by definition, the motivation for a false lawsuit is NOT justice. Its some other motive- typically money or pettiness and sometimes a lust for fame.

[TimRobbins]

You are being willfully obtuse. None of the discussion in this thread is limiting itself to formally filed allegations of rape. The viewpoint against which you are crusading is the notion that rich, famous men (quit limiting it to basketball players which, again, no one in this thread is doing but you) are more likely to be faced with allegations of sexual assault accompanied by a demand for payment, than 8th grade history teachers are.

I think you have a narrative and you're unwilling to let go, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

I already responded to this part. I'm limiting it to NBA players for mathematical convenience purposes. I have no idea how many celebrities or "rich people" exist, but I know how many NBA players there are and we know how many rape accusations were filed against NBA players. If you have any reasons to believe NBA players are not representative of other young/rich celebrities, please let me know. I can think of none.

I've stated the reasons why I don't think NBA players are more likely to be faced with sexual assault charges. The number of cases we know of supports my claim.

And this includes non-filed, non-public allegations which seek confidential settlements. To which you respond, prove it. To which I respond you are right, we cannot because they are by their very nature confidential and unknown. You demand proof you won't get (and know you won't get, which is why you are demanding it), and we don't care that you want it. And that's pretty much the end of it.

So lets try it - if we're talking about non-filed, non-public allegations, then these are all cases where no police report was filed and the athlete settled the case prior to a civil suit being filed. right? If I understand you correctly, you believe this is a wide-spread phenomenon. However, Derrick Rose's case is the only one I know that started with a private demand for payment and went to a civil suit (with no police report). If your theory is correct and these accusations happen a lot, it would require all the players accused to settle the cases prior to trial, while Rose being the only one to go to trial. Does that seem reasonable to you?

[TimRobbins]

No financial reward is worth it. Look at the Kobe accuser - it destroyed her life.

She got $75000 worth of cocaine.

I think she got a lot more money than that, but obviously, it wasn't worth it.

[League Circles]

So lets try it - if we're talking about non-filed, non-public allegations, then these are all cases where no police report was filed and the athlete settled the case prior to a civil suit being filed. right? If I understand you correctly, you believe this is a wide-spread phenomenon. However, Derrick Rose's case is the only one I know that started with a private demand for payment and went to a civil suit (with no police report). If your theory is correct and these accusations happen a lot, it would require all the players accused to settle the cases prior to trial, while Rose being the only one to go to trial. Does that seem reasonable to you?

We have no idea how widespread it is. Obviously. Nor do you.

An accusation and demand for payment privately doesn't have to go to court or be settled. It could easily just be dropped by the (sometimes false) accuser. In fact, for obvious reasons, I'd bet that a lot of false accusations are indeed dropped by the accuser with no settlement, because the accuser won't be confident in their BS story, and they don't want to pay a lawyer for no reward.

Since you continue to refer to the rarity of these events, I'll point out a quote from the article I posted that sheds some light on how rare (or common) false vs true rape accusations are:

"Specifically, in their analysis of sexual-assault cases at a large university, the authors found that 5.9 percent of cases were provably false. However, 44.9 percent cases “did not proceed” – meaning there was insufficient evidence, the accuser was uncooperative, or the incident did not meet the legal standard of assault. An additional 13.9 percent of cases could not be categorized due to lack of information. That leaves 35.3 percent of cases that led to formal charges or discipline against the accused. So there is obviously a lot of uncertainty here, a lot of he-said/she-said when allegations are filed. It would be a mistake to conclude, on the basis of the existing evidence, that nine out of ten assault claims are genuine."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/undefined

[johnnyvann840]

No financial reward is worth it. Look at the Kobe accuser - it destroyed her life.

Do you have any idea what you're even talking about? That chick was the hoe of all hoes. A scammer who is lucky she got paid what she did. So many facts surfaced later as to why she dropped the case... specifically one of her best friends was going to testify against her.... here her friend talks about her in an interview a few years back when Kobe was going through his divorce..
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The Colorado teen who brought sexual assault charges against basketball star Kobe Bryant told friends she was out to bed rapper Eminem.

KATELYN FABER, who dropped charges against Bryant on 1 September 2004, after refusing to testify at the rape trial, plotted to lure Eminem into bed, according to one of her old pals.

Ex-friend LAIE WEATHERWAX admits she never believed Faber was the victim of a rape attack, because the blonde had a longtime plan to trick a celebrity into bed - and then force him to pay up.

Weatherwax, who had agreed to testify for the defense before the case was dismissed, says, "Kobe's a good looking guy and he has a fat wallet.

"In my opinion, at least 98 per cent of her (Faber) attraction to him was simply because he's famous. She's always wanted to be famous.

"My friend and I liked Eminem, but Katelyn took it to the extreme. She was obsessed with him and felt compelled to go meet him to try for sex."

Weatherwax claims Faber even plotted to lure Eminem to bed when he was scheduled to play a New Year's Eve show in Vail, Colorado - months after the Kobe Bryant scandal exploded.

She adds, "She called a friend at his (Eminem) hotel, found out what room he was in and where he'd sing. There was a plan to lure him into his room, the pool or hot tub, to be in position to score."

Weatherwax also claims her old pal once had sex with one boy because he looked like Justin Timberlake.

she was an angel and such a poor victim of Kobe the monster. Believe what you choose. One of the other reasons is that the evidence would show that she had sex with two different men, just in the previous 24 hours of the Kobe incident. She wanted attention... she tried out for American Idol and told her friends she wanted trap a star.

[johnnyvann840]

No financial reward is worth it. Look at the Kobe accuser - it destroyed her life.

She got $75000 worth of cocaine.

I think she got a lot more money than that, but obviously, it wasn't worth it.

No, I wish Kobe would have gotten his day in court.

[Keller61]

You are being willfully obtuse. None of the discussion in this thread is limiting itself to formally filed allegations of rape. The viewpoint against which you are crusading is the notion that rich, famous men (quit limiting it to basketball players which, again, no one in this thread is doing but you) are more likely to be faced with allegations of sexual assault accompanied by a demand for payment, than 8th grade history teachers are.

I think you have a narrative and you're unwilling to let go, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

I already responded to this part. I'm limiting it to NBA players for mathematical convenience purposes. I have no idea how many celebrities or "rich people" exist, but I know how many NBA players there are and we know how many rape accusations were filed against NBA players. If you have any reasons to believe NBA players are not representative of other young/rich celebrities, please let me know. I can think of none.

I've stated the reasons why I don't think NBA players are more likely to be faced with sexual assault charges. The number of cases we know of supports my claim.

And this includes non-filed, non-public allegations which seek confidential settlements. To which you respond, prove it. To which I respond you are right, we cannot because they are by their very nature confidential and unknown. You demand proof you won't get (and know you won't get, which is why you are demanding it), and we don't care that you want it. And that's pretty much the end of it.

So lets try it - if we're talking about non-filed, non-public allegations, then these are all cases where no police report was filed and the athlete settled the case prior to a civil suit being filed. right? If I understand you correctly, you believe this is a wide-spread phenomenon. However, Derrick Rose's case is the only one I know that started with a private demand for payment and went to a civil suit (with no police report). If your theory is correct and these accusations happen a lot, it would require all the players accused to settle the cases prior to trial, while Rose being the only one to go to trial. Does that seem reasonable to you?

I can imagine Derrick being less likely to cave in to a settlement than most guys. We know he tends to favor honesty over what's best for his PR, with some of the comments he has made.

[TimRobbins]

We have no idea how widespread it is. Obviously. Nor do you.

An accusation and demand for payment privately doesn't have to go to court or be settled. It could easily just be dropped by the (sometimes false) accuser. In fact, for obvious reasons, I'd bet that a lot of false accusations are indeed dropped by the accuser with no settlement, because the accuser won't be confident in their BS story, and they don't want to pay a lawyer for no reward.

I'm sure some claims are dropped. Still, does it sound reasonable to you that there are a lot of these "demand for payments", and all of them (other than Rose's) were either dropped or settled? Don't you think that if this was wide-spread, we would see more cases escalated to a civil suit?

[League Circles]

We have no idea how widespread it is. Obviously. Nor do you.

An accusation and demand for payment privately doesn't have to go to court or be settled. It could easily just be dropped by the (sometimes false) accuser. In fact, for obvious reasons, I'd bet that a lot of false accusations are indeed dropped by the accuser with no settlement, because the accuser won't be confident in their BS story, and they don't want to pay a lawyer for no reward.

I'm sure some claims are dropped. Still, does it sound reasonable to you that there are a lot of these "demand for payments", and all of them (other than Rose's) were either dropped? Don't you think that if this was wide-spread, we would see more cases escalated to a civil suit?

No one is saying it is widespread. There could have been 0, 1, 4 or 30 such private allegations in the last 10 years. We'll never know how many.

[MAQ]

You are being willfully obtuse. None of the discussion in this thread is limiting itself to formally filed allegations of rape. The viewpoint against which you are crusading is the notion that rich, famous men (quit limiting it to basketball players which, again, no one in this thread is doing but you) are more likely to be faced with allegations of sexual assault accompanied by a demand for payment, than 8th grade history teachers are.

I think you have a narrative and you're unwilling to let go, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

I already responded to this part. I'm limiting it to NBA players for mathematical convenience purposes. I have no idea how many celebrities or "rich people" exist, but I know how many NBA players there are and we know how many rape accusations were filed against NBA players. If you have any reasons to believe NBA players are not representative of other young/rich celebrities, please let me know. I can think of none.

I've stated the reasons why I don't think NBA players are more likely to be faced with sexual assault charges. The number of cases we know of supports my claim.

And this includes non-filed, non-public allegations which seek confidential settlements. To which you respond, prove it. To which I respond you are right, we cannot because they are by their very nature confidential and unknown. You demand proof you won't get (and know you won't get, which is why you are demanding it), and we don't care that you want it. And that's pretty much the end of it.

So lets try it - if we're talking about non-filed, non-public allegations, then these are all cases where no police report was filed and the athlete settled the case prior to a civil suit being filed. right? If I understand you correctly, you believe this is a wide-spread phenomenon. However, Derrick Rose's case is the only one I know that started with a private demand for payment and went to a civil suit (with no police report). If your theory is correct and these accusations happen a lot, it would require all the players accused to settle the cases prior to trial, while Rose being the only one to go to trial. Does that seem reasonable to you?

I can imagine Derrick being less likely to cave in to a settlement than most guys. We know he tends to favor honesty over what's best for his PR, with some of the comments he has made.

I'm not so sure on this one. We all know Derrivk cares about his brand. The moment his sexual life hits public record he can kiss his brand goodbye.

[jumpstart]

I hate to say it, but this could ultimately lead to Rose getting released from the team. This isn't good.

[League Circles]

We all know Derrivk cares about his brand. The moment his sexual life hits public record he can kiss his brand goodbye.

Do we? I've never got that impression from Rose. Maybe Reggie and BJ perhaps, but I haven't ever thought Rose seemed particularly careful about his image.

[DuckIII]

So lets try it - if we're talking about non-filed, non-public allegations, then these are all cases where no police report was filed and the athlete settled the case prior to a civil suit being filed. right?

Yes.

If I understand you correctly, you believe this is a wide-spread phenomenon.

No. I'm saying that rich, famous men are more likely to be targets of this particular type of scenario than a person without fame or assets.

However, Derrick Rose's case is the only one I know that started with a private demand for payment and went to a civil suit (with no police report). If your theory is correct and these accusations happen a lot, it would require all the players accused to settle the cases prior to trial, while Rose being the only one to go to trial. Does that seem reasonable to you?

It seems entirely reasonable to me that in the vast majority of instances this type of thing would quietly settle, yes.

From ESPN in the midst of the Bryant rape case:

Separating Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal on
different teams on different coasts has done nothing to lessen the
animosity between the one-time Los Angeles Lakers teammates. If
anything, the feud is escalating.

On Wednesday, O'Neal dismissed as "ridiculous" Bryant's
allegations that O'Neal had paid up to $1 million in hush money to
various women and then took his own shot by saying, "I'm not the
one buying love."

O'Neal made the remark to ESPN's Stephen A. Smith after the Los Angeles Times quoted a police
report as saying Bryant told detectives in Eagle, Colo., "he
should have done what Shaq does ... that Shaq would pay his women
not to say anything" and already had paid up to $1 million "for
situations like this."

Tiger Woods settled with several of his mistresses to avoid scheduled press conferences. Read up on Gloria Allred's career. There's actually a market for this.

I do not think it happens "a lot." I do not think it is an epidemic. I do not think its just normal every day business for famous and rich people. But they are targets for it. Denying it seems silly. But you're entitled to whatever you choose to believe or not believe.

[Keller61]

I'm not so sure on this one. We all know Derrivk cares about his brand. The moment his sexual life hits public record he can kiss his brand goodbye.

He tends to be defiant about saying what he believes even when it's bad for his PR. And I don't know what his sex life has to do with his brand.

[MAQ]

We all know Derrivk cares about his brand. The moment his sexual life hits public record he can kiss his brand goodbye.

Do we? I've never got that impression from Rose. Maybe Reggie and BJ perhaps, but I haven't ever thought Rose seemed particularly careful about his image.

I came to that assumption simply because he's made statements about caring about business meetings 20 years now and learning to be a better businessman so with those things stated I think it's safe to say he cares about his brand

[DuckIII]

she was an angel and such a poor victim of Kobe the monster. Believe what you choose. One of the other reasons is that the evidence would show that she had sex with two different men, just in the previous 24 hours of the Kobe incident. She wanted attention... she tried out for American Idol and told her friends she wanted trap a star.

I'll go a hair further with this. The Court's ruling permitted evidence into her sexual encounters during the 72 hours before and after the incident with Bryant. Though we don't know precisely what that evidence would have been, it was leaked that the defense would be able show that in addition to multiple partners immediately before intercourse with Bryant, that she had sex within just a few hours after as well. And that medical experts would testify having voluntary intercourse almost immediately after being forcibly raped is something that just wouldn't happen.

But who knows? Its all sealed because she settled the civil suit and refused to testify for the prosecution, so the criminal case was dismissed.

[MAQ]

I'm not so sure on this one. We all know Derrivk cares about his brand. The moment his sexual life hits public record he can kiss his brand goodbye.

He tends to be defiant about saying what he believes even when it's bad for his PR. And I don't know what his sex life has to do with his brand.

I think a lot of Rose's brand is built on being a good wholesome kid shy hard-working from Chicago...just a lot of things that parents appreciate and say OK you can look up to this guy and be like this guy. Then once you have his sexual life becoming public Record it may be hard for the same parents to say to their kids OK yeah you can look up to this guys can be like this guy. I personally can think of a couple of parents that may fall into this boat that I'm speaking of. That is the problem with building an image off of being good and wholesome. Even though sex is as natural as eating it still has this taboo about it that can kill a "good" image.

[RedBulls23]

We all know Derrivk cares about his brand. The moment his sexual life hits public record he can kiss his brand goodbye.

Do we? I've never got that impression from Rose. Maybe Reggie and BJ perhaps, but I haven't ever thought Rose seemed particularly careful about his image.

I came to that assumption simply because he's made statements about caring about business meetings 20 years now and learning to be a better businessman so with those things stated I think it's safe to say he cares about his brand

Saying stuff like that also doesn't do anything to help his brand. Considering all the backlash he got over it.