2020 NBA Draft II

[getrichordie]

Imagine taking a 6'9 non-stretch big with your 1st overall pick.

[getrichordie]

Robert Woodard is out here playing quarterback. What an outlet pass @ 2:50...

Watch on YouTube

[getrichordie]

Here's the Nate Hinton interview. Skip to @10:50 to hear them talk about his D and @14:50 to watch D clips.

https://youtu.be/itzOrU-SFeM?t=631

[getrichordie]

Just got done watching some more tape on Oturu. He actually covers P&R pretty well and shows good lateral quickness and takes good angles when defending in space out on perimeter. His post-defense needs a little work, but overall, based on his defense and offensive potential, I'm going to take him over Jalen Smith and his stick legs 10/10 times.

[getrichordie]

top 15 FTr (players on my BB)

1. 66.8 -- mason jones
2. 63.7 -- zeke nnaji
3. 59.1 -- isaiah stewart
4. 57.1 -- nick richards
5. 53.6 -- ashton hagans
6. 53.0 -- reggie perry
7. 52.3 -- kaleb wesson
8. 50.7 -- precious achiuwa
9. 49.8 -- saben lee
10. 47.4 -- jalen smith
11. 47.1 -- immanuel quickley
12. 46.2 -- grant riller
13. 44.8 -- devon dotson
14. 44.5 -- markus howard

[getrichordie]

Lol. Donovan Mitchell had this to say about Vassell back in January.

Vassell needs to gain some weight so he can go to the basket and draw more fouls also needs to work on his awkward jumper it goes in when he spots up but it's evident when he shoots free throws that something can be improved.

[DraftDoctor]

Watched all these

[clyde21]

lol @ that 2nd tier

low key true

[DraftDoctor]

lol @ that 2nd tier

low key true

Right

[clyde21]

people are gonna think they have something in Melo when he's dropping 20/10 pretty early in his career just by virtue of his style and today's NBA but he's going to be a non winning player pretty clearly

and these are always the worst types of players to have, because they almost ALWAYS end up getting massively overpaid.

[getrichordie]

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[getrichordie]

I think Okongwu’s comparison falls somewhere between Thompson and Gibson.

[DraftDoctor]

I think Okongwu’s comparison falls somewhere between Thompson and Gibson.

Definite

[No-Man]

I think Okongwu’s comparison falls somewhere between Thompson and Gibson.

He is nothing like either to me

[GimmeDat]

Non-winning player is such an unusual term for me. Non-winning relative to what exactly?

Personally, I think it would be more specific to say that someone has an overrated impact on winning.

If there's only 3 guys every draft (just using DD's board as a general example) that play fundamental winning playoff basketball, then the good stats bad team guys are likely to be more impactful than the 'rest of the bunch' guys, which would make them more conducive to winning than the vast majority of alternatives.

Obviously that's an oversimplification of the argument, particularly when considering scalability of roles, and again, how you define are quote unquote 'empty stats' player. There's obviously many different levels to that.

[The-Power]

Some big surprises, but that's how it ends up in every draft. My goal is to accurately get it right 5 yrs down road rather than be slave to Chad Ford & Internet rankings which are always wrong in hindsight.

And yours are not always wrong? It's good to not just follow consensus but this makes it sound as if you're just much better at predicting future success and I seriously doubt that because I have yet to see anybody who's not consistently wrong on prospects in hindsight.

[Catchall]

Watched all these guys extensively. Let me know what you guys think, love getting opinions and different viewpoints.
Some big surprises, but that's how it ends up in every draft. My goal is to accurately get it right 5 yrs down road rather than be slave to Chad Ford & Internet rankings which are always wrong in hindsight.

2020 NBA Draft Rankings

Spoiler:

Top Players who play fundamental Winning Playoff basketball
1. Aaron Nesmith G. (Dale Ellis)
2. Xavier Tillman F. (Paul Millsap)
3. Tyler Bey F. (Pascal Siakam minus 3 inches wingpan/height) 12ppg/7rebs/3assists

Big Stats, Bad team guys. Players Knicks Covet
4. Obi Toppin F. (Amare Stoudemire without shot blocking)
5. Anthony Edwards G. (Jimmy Butler without Defense...Andrew Wiggins stat junkie)
6. LaMelo Ball G. (Jamal Crawford with 8-9 assists)
7. James Wiseman C. (Hassan Whiteside better offense) 18 ppg/11 rebs/2 assists

Rest of the bunch
8. Tyrese Halliburton G. (Lonzo Ball better Jumpsuit)
9. Kira Lewis Jr. G. (Lou Williams focused defender)
10. Reggie Perry C. (Less Intense Bam Adebayo)
11. Onyeka Okongwu C. (More explosive Taj Gibson)
12. Devin Vassell F. (Mikael Bridges)
13. Killian Tillie F. (Andrea Barganani who hustles)
14. Jalen Smith C. (Serge Ibaka)
15. Demi Ardija F. (Hedu Turkoglu with inconsistent jumper—Nic Batum)
16. Patrick Williams F. (Josh Howard less length 4 inch shorter wingspan)
17. Josh Green G. (Wesley Matthews)
18. Paul Reed F. (Marvin Williams)
19. Saddiq Bey F. (Smaller DeAndre Hunter)
20. Isaiah Stewart C. (Derrick Favors post Injury)
21. Udoka Azubuike C. (Kendrick Perkins)
22. Jahmius Ramsey G. (Lonnie Walker)
23. Tyrese Maxey G. (Avery Bradley)
24. Tyrell Terry G. (Seth Curry)
25. Malachi Flynn G. (Cory Joseph)
26. Precious Achiuwa F. (Jerami Grant/Rondae Hollis Jefferson)
27. Leandro Bolmaro G. (Homeless Manu Ginobili with a broken jumper)
28. Nico Mannion G. (Explosive TJ McConnell)
29. Devon Dotson G. (Jerryd Bayless)
30. Immanuel Quickly G.
31. Tre Jones G. (Earl Watson O/Chris Duhon D)
32. Desmond Bane G. (Malcolm Brogdon with 7 inch less arms) 6ppg/2rebs/1
33. Isaac Okoro F. (Justin Anderson)
34. Zeke Nnaji C. (Jordan Hill)
35. Cassius Winston G. (Yogi Ferrell +1-2 inches)
36. Abdoulaye N’Doye G. (Dante Exum/Taller Frank Ntilikina)
37. Grant Riller G. (Marcus Thornton)
38. Elijah Hughes G. (DeAndre Bembry)
39. Payton Pritchard G. (Shabazz Napier)
40. Daniel Oturu C. (Alex Len)
41. Malcolm Catalan G (Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot)
42. Aleksej Pokusevski F. (Dragan Bender)
43. Markus Howard G.
44. Robert Woodard F.
45. Austin Wiley C.
46. Myles Powell G.
47. Vernon Carey Jr. C. (Dakari Johnson)
48. Jaden McDaniels F. (Quincy Miller)
49. Corey Kispert F. (Adam Huluska)
50. Colbey Ross G.
51. Aaron Henry G.

44. Robert Woodard F. (Post-injury, Spurs version of Rudy Gay)

Note: If you draft Bolmaro, you're not drafting him to be Manu Ginobli. You're drafting him to be Ricky Rubio with better rim finishing. If he adds strength and fixes his shooting over the next few years, then maybe he's like Gordon Hayward with a tighter handle. He's never going to be as explosive as Manu.

[clyde21]

Imagine taking a 6'9 non-stretch big with your 1st overall pick.

lol, what makes Wiseman a better pick, because he's 7 feet?

[clyde21]

Non-winning player is such an unusual term for me. Non-winning relative to what exactly?

Personally, I think it would be more specific to say that someone has an overrated impact on winning.

If there's only 3 guys every draft (just using DD's board as a general example) that play fundamental winning playoff basketball, then the good stats bad team guys are likely to be more impactful than the 'rest of the bunch' guys, which would make them more conducive to winning than the vast majority of alternatives.

Obviously that's an oversimplification of the argument, particularly when considering scalability of roles, and again, how you define are quote unquote 'empty stats' player. There's obviously many different levels to that.

i mean, it's kinda straight forward, like DLo for example, he posts a lot of stats but is essentially an empty calorie player, his production is not conducive to winning basketball and is almost never a net positive on the court

[clyde21]

Some big surprises, but that's how it ends up in every draft. My goal is to accurately get it right 5 yrs down road rather than be slave to Chad Ford & Internet rankings which are always wrong in hindsight.

And yours are not always wrong? It's good to not just follow consensus but this makes it sound as if you're just much better at predicting future success and I seriously doubt that because I have yet to see anybody who's not consistently wrong on prospects in hindsight.

Chad Ford is a hack tho who was caught changing his big boards retroactively

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2tk9xa/chad_ford_changes_his_draft_boards_years_after/