Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Ducklett]

Would you like to test our luck again?

Trade with SAC:
Out: #1, #33, Spellman, Evans
In: #12, unprotected 2021 FRP, Richaun Holmes

Why for SAC: get Wiseman.
Why for MIN: next SAC will have to battle against LAL, LAC, GSW, PHO in division. So I would risk and trade our FRP for their next year FRP, 2021 draft looks better than 2020 draft.

Trade with ORL:
Out: #17, JJ
In: Aaron Gordon

Trade with NYK:
Out: #12, Nowell, Juancho
In: #8

Draft PG (Hayes, Maxey, Haliburton). Re-sign Beasley, Jmac, Kelan Martin (1+3).

KAT/Holmes/Reid
Gordon/Layman/Vanderbilt
Culver/Martin/Layman
Beasley/Okogie/DLo
DLo/Maxey/JMac

Hi! Magic fan here. AG left the bubble early in a strange way and it has led to a lot of smoke, rumor, and innuendo that he has played his last game as a Magician. It also appears there is a lot of interest around the league for AG. I don't think 17 is getting him.

[KGdaBom]

Courtesy of KGdaBom,

I think the PERFECT trade would be John Collins for KAT.

Why?

1. JC is the perfect fit for LaMelo Ball. Best movement big in the NBA with one of the best passers makes so much sense. No brainer.

2. KAT never won anything in MIN without Jimmy Butler. Best to let him, Reddish, Hunter, and Trae Young do their thing.

3. You save nearly 25 million off the cap and can go to land AD to play with Collins and Ball.

Honestly, if you don't like it, your a hater, haters gonna hate. Ain't that right, KGdaBom?

Best trade offer I ever saw.

[KGdaBom]

What y’all think of 17, Culver and Johnson for Oladipo?

Wolves would love it. I don't think Pacers would.

[KGdaBom]

Would you like to test our luck again?

Trade with SAC:
Out: #1, #33, Spellman, Evans
In: #12, unprotected 2021 FRP, Richaun Holmes

Why for SAC: get Wiseman.
Why for MIN: next SAC will have to battle against LAL, LAC, GSW, PHO in division. So I would risk and trade our FRP for their next year FRP, 2021 draft looks better than 2020 draft.

Trade with ORL:
Out: #17, JJ
In: Aaron Gordon

Trade with NYK:
Out: #12, Nowell, Juancho
In: #8

Draft PG (Hayes, Maxey, Haliburton). Re-sign Beasley, Jmac, Kelan Martin (1+3).

KAT/Holmes/Reid
Gordon/Layman/Vanderbilt
Culver/Martin/Layman
Beasley/Okogie/DLo
DLo/Maxey/JMac

Hi! Magic fan here. AG left the bubble early in a strange way and it has led to a lot of smoke, rumor, and innuendo that he has played his last game as a Magician. It also appears there is a lot of interest around the league for AG. I don't think 17 is getting him.

I wouldn't mind having him at all, but the price has to be right. 17 isn't enough. I'm not sure what we could add to the offer to get it done. If he's burned his bridges there you might not get any more than 17 though. I wouldn't include Culver, Okogie or 33.

[wesleyt95]

AG is overrated, these trades are trash... #1 - Anthony Edwards #17 - Jaden Mcdaniels (our Johnathan Isaac) #33 - Tre Jones

PG: D-Lo, Tre Jones, McLaughlin
SG: Beasley, Culver, Okogie
SF: Anthony Edwards, Layman, Okogie
PF: Jaden Mcdaniels, Hernangomez
C: Towns, Naz

Idk about starting 2 rookies but next year is most likely developmental anyways

[wesleyt95]

Also Edwards definitely has the size to be our SF, PJ Tucker is the same height playing center and the rockets are literally starting Eric Gordon at the 3 rn

[Neeva]

AG is overrated, these trades are trash... #1 - Anthony Edwards #17 - Jaden Mcdaniels (our Johnathan Isaac) #33 - Tre Jones

PG: D-Lo, Tre Jones, McLaughlin
SG: Beasley, Culver, Okogie
SF: Anthony Edwards, Layman, Okogie
PF: Jaden Mcdaniels, Hernangomez
C: Towns, Naz

Idk about starting 2 rookies but next year is most likely developmental anyways

I like it but do not want Tre Jones, I’d prefer Terry or Mannion if they fall to 33.
Maybe Pokusevski over Mcdaniels they both will need years to develop.

[wesleyt95]

AG is overrated, these trades are trash... #1 - Anthony Edwards #17 - Jaden Mcdaniels (our Johnathan Isaac) #33 - Tre Jones

PG: D-Lo, Tre Jones, McLaughlin
SG: Beasley, Culver, Okogie
SF: Anthony Edwards, Layman, Okogie
PF: Jaden Mcdaniels, Hernangomez
C: Towns, Naz

Idk about starting 2 rookies but next year is most likely developmental anyways

I like it but do not want Tre Jones, I’d prefer Terry or Mannion if they fall to 33.
Maybe Pokusevski over Mcdaniels they both will need years to develop.

Tre at least plays defense

[KGdaBom]

AG is overrated, these trades are trash... #1 - Anthony Edwards #17 - Jaden Mcdaniels (our Johnathan Isaac) #33 - Tre Jones

PG: D-Lo, Tre Jones, McLaughlin
SG: Beasley, Culver, Okogie
SF: Anthony Edwards, Layman, Okogie
PF: Jaden Mcdaniels, Hernangomez
C: Towns, Naz

Idk about starting 2 rookies but next year is most likely developmental anyways

I like it but do not want Tre Jones, I’d prefer Terry or Mannion if they fall to 33.
Maybe Pokusevski over Mcdaniels they both will need years to develop.

Anybody but Mannion. I saw him play once.

[KGdaBom]

Also Edwards definitely has the size to be our SF, PJ Tucker is the same height playing center and the rockets are literally starting Eric Gordon at the 3 rn

The rockets are weird. Don't emulate them. Culver and Okogie at SF if we draft Edwards. Beasley and Edwards will take all the SG minutes.

[wesleyt95]

Also Edwards definitely has the size to be our SF, PJ Tucker is the same height playing center and the rockets are literally starting Eric Gordon at the 3 rn

The rockets are weird. Don't emulate them. Culver and Okogie at SF if we draft Edwards. Beasley and Edwards will take all the SG minutes.

Yea Culver adds defense and is a little longer... Rosas is literally emulating the rockets tho

[Neeva]

AG is overrated, these trades are trash... #1 - Anthony Edwards #17 - Jaden Mcdaniels (our Johnathan Isaac) #33 - Tre Jones

PG: D-Lo, Tre Jones, McLaughlin
SG: Beasley, Culver, Okogie
SF: Anthony Edwards, Layman, Okogie
PF: Jaden Mcdaniels, Hernangomez
C: Towns, Naz

Idk about starting 2 rookies but next year is most likely developmental anyways

I like it but do not want Tre Jones, I’d prefer Terry or Mannion if they fall to 33.
Maybe Pokusevski over Mcdaniels they both will need years to develop.

Tre at least plays defense

It’s a shooters league. Second unit with okogie/culver will need shooting. Actually if not Terry I want Bolmaro for sure, he will be a legit backup for years.
I actually want the wolves to try to add another first round pick in the Twenties to secure Bolmaro..

[wesleyt95]

I like it but do not want Tre Jones, I’d prefer Terry or Mannion if they fall to 33.
Maybe Pokusevski over Mcdaniels they both will need years to develop.

Tre at least plays defense

It’s a shooters league. Second unit with okogie/culver will need shooting. Actually if not Terry I want Bolmaro for sure, he will be a legit backup for years.

Tre went from 26% to 36% in one year that's a nice improvement, shot is developing

[Slim Tubby]

Tre at least plays defense

It’s a shooters league. Second unit with okogie/culver will need shooting. Actually if not Terry I want Bolmaro for sure, he will be a legit backup for years.

Tre went from 26% to 36% in one year that's a nice improvement, shot is developing

Tre will be a solid pro in the NBA for 10-15 years IMO but he’s a hard guy to place draft value on this year.


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[wesleyt95]

It’s a shooters league. Second unit with okogie/culver will need shooting. Actually if not Terry I want Bolmaro for sure, he will be a legit backup for years.

Tre went from 26% to 36% in one year that's a nice improvement, shot is developing

Tre will be a solid pro in the NBA for 10-15 years IMO but he’s a hard guy to place draft value on this year.


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Tankathon has him as the #25 prospect on their big board... Doubt he goes first round tho

[gandlogo]

Tre at least plays defense

It’s a shooters league. Second unit with okogie/culver will need shooting. Actually if not Terry I want Bolmaro for sure, he will be a legit backup for years.

Tre went from 26% to 36% in one year that's a nice improvement, shot is developing

Just like Tatum’s play in the ACC Tournament convinced me he’d be a star. Tre’s play this year - especially in both games against UNC - showed me he’s going to be a really solid pro. Not only improved his shot, but also stepped up his take. Defense is at another level already.

Watch on YouTube

[Mattya]

I was already iffy on trading #17 for Gordon, but after reading this he sounds like such an awful fit. We need a guy that does the things on offense that Gordon should be doing, but his approach for some reason is to shoot pull up jumpers? We might as well sign Derrick Jones Jr and try to use the assets people are talking about trading for Gordon and different forward.

Gordon is now turning 25, any GM that does not feel like getting fired over span of 1 year won't attach much to player that makes almost $20M a year , who in 2020 can't shoot 3s at respectful level, can't really dribble, can't really drive, seems to be uninterested into moving without ball and who refuses to play as small ball screener, rather just runs into contested pullups that he can't make.

Gordon this year took 24% of all shots between 10 feet and 3 point line. He missed almost 70% of shots from that area. Add to that 31% of shots that he took for 3 ( 30,8% efficiency) and you get player that took 54% of shots at alarming 67-70% miss chance.

Gordon's best hope for long career is to go where new coach will cut his crap, put him into Maxi Kleber role, set screens, roll, shoot only when you are wide open, don't even think about attacking off dribble.

How trully terrible Gordon is when he tries to create own shots?
Well i pulled up all nba forwards, set "at least 100 FGA" from pull up jumpshots.
his 28% is second worst among 59 players, only one worst than him is RJ Barret. F**** rookie.

Yet he is in top 30 in shot attemps, with over 200 pull up jumpers taken.

https://stats.nba.com/players/pullup/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PULL_UP_FG_PCT&dir=1&PerMode=Totals&PlayerPosition=F&CF=PULL_UP_FGA*GE*100 link if anybody is interested into looking at numbers :


If only Minny didn't won lottery, they were perfect trade partner for pick + James Johnson for Gordon. Now there is zero chance they do that. Same with Hornets...
Maybe Pistons are dumb enough to do 7th pick, Snell and Kennard for Gordon and our pick.

Ideally we dump him for top 5 pick, but i highly doubt anybody would agree on that.

[Neeva]

Maybe Gordon should play center in this league like Covington. Do not want him on the wolves unless they trade him for johnson, nowell and the 33. orlando fans are deluded about his value.

[Jedzz]

Also Edwards definitely has the size to be our SF, PJ Tucker is the same height playing center and the rockets are literally starting Eric Gordon at the 3 rn

The rockets are weird. Don't emulate them. Culver and Okogie at SF if we draft Edwards. Beasley and Edwards will take all the SG minutes.

Yea Culver adds defense and is a little longer... Rosas is literally emulating the rockets tho

He seems to be emulating them, and then he doesn't as well. If it was a literal copy Towns and Reid would be traded away like Capela and Nenê were for a SF sized human to take over center duties.

Speaking of which,PJ Tucker has defended against centers and he's only 6'5. MN tries to make 6'5/6'6 Culver a rookie starting PG.

I wouldn't say exactly emulating.

[Domejandro]

I'd have to look at Markkanen again, but I don't remember him being as good on-ball as say Avdija.

I'll break up this video.

Watch on YouTube

Start - Spin moves to create separation.

1:26 - Straight line drives and off-ball cuts (great cut at 1:58). As 2:05 shows, he can drive with either hand and is an athletic finisher. This section is important to watch.

2:25 - Three point shooting (both off-the-dribble and catch-and-shoot). The play on 2:38 is gorgeous, while 2:46 and and 3:10 show his ability to rise up off-the-dribble while contested). 3:23 is him bringing the ball up the court and nailing a 35 foot three-pointer at the halftime buzzer.

3:57 - Drives off the dribble. A lot of fast-break action in this big chunk. Bit of pick-and-roll action, but I can't be bothered to break it up any more here.

6:17 - One dribble off of the pick into an easy jumper (few plays in a row).

6:44 - Face-up post play that leads into post-play.

Strong drive at 7:48, great seals the two plays after.

8:04 - Excellent offensive rebounding, quite a few put-back dunks.

9:07 - Brings the ball up the court and posterizes Enes Kanter.

Even though he is far from flashy, Lauri is an incredibly effective ball-handler. Given that Avdija may as well be one handed Lauri is definitely the superior ball-handler.