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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#941 » by CptCrunch » Sun Dec 5, 2021 4:33 am

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clyde21 wrote:RSCI college fails have an absolutely dreadful track record in the NBA

who was the last one to actually workout? especially a 1AD RSCI guy


That's why we look at the mean in statistical inference, not if #1 translate to #1 in the league :lol:


give me an example of a top10 RSCI that failed in college that went on to be a successful NBA player

Trevon Duval? nope

Kahlil Whitney? nope

Skal Labissiere? nope

Ivan Rabb? nope

Nas Little? nope

best one I can think of is Cam Reddish and he's not exactly setting the league on fire


You are not understanding my point at all.
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Post#942 » by retrobro90 » Mon Dec 6, 2021 5:05 am

Benny Mathurin really showed out tonight. Wasn't able to catch the whole game but based on what I've seen from last season/U19s and tonight it seems like he's a guy with a high floor. Heard Matt Pennie call him a smaller version of Mikal Bridges but I see a little separation where Mikal's J (particularly in the midrange) looks a bit cleaner. Ben's explosiveness around the rim tonight though was a sight to behold. Ferocious slams too. Seems to play with passion every time I watch him.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#943 » by juanc » Mon Dec 6, 2021 11:38 am

retrobro90 wrote:Benny Mathurin really showed out tonight. Wasn't able to catch the whole game but based on what I've seen from last season/U19s and tonight it seems like he's a guy with a high floor. Heard Matt Pennie call him a smaller version of Mikal Bridges but I see a little separation where Mikal's J (particularly in the midrange) looks a bit cleaner. Ben's explosiveness around the rim tonight though was a sight to behold. Ferocious slams too. Seems to play with passion every time I watch him.

I wasn't able to watch any Arizona games. How is his defense this year?
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Post#944 » by Hal14 » Mon Dec 6, 2021 10:11 pm

CptCrunch wrote:I am a huge fan of JD Davison this year.

His stats haven't been amazing so he might fall to become a sleeper. His poise is special. His physical profile is amazing. He reminds me of a young Russell Westbrook with the same broken shot.

Very difficult December coming up for Bama, Gaza #3, Houston #15, Memphis #18, Tennessee #13, Florida 14 before end of the year.

Somewhat interestingly, JD might be the best PG prospect in this year's draft since Ty Ty really isn't a point guard in any way. Kennedy Chandler is marginally better, but is 5'10-11" w/o shoes.

Tyty just isn't being used much at PG. They're having Wheeler run the show.

But in HS, Tyty ran the point most of the time. He was the floor general, ran the offense made some really good passes. Like many of the top PG's in the NBA today (Morant, Jamal Murray, Jrue Holiday, Lillard, Curry, Brogdon, Irving, etc.) Tyty is a dual threat who can score and pass but is a little more of a score-first PG.
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Post#945 » by Coeur » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:23 am

1- Banchero
2- Chet
3- Nikola Jovic
4- Ousmane Dieng
5- Ivey
6- Jalen Duren
7- Roko P
8- Nzosa
9- Mathurin
10- Patrick Baldwin
11- Timme
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Post#946 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:21 am

Coeur wrote:1- Banchero
2- Chet
3- Nikola Jovic
4- Ousmane Dieng
5- Ivey
6- Jalen Duren
7- Roko P
8- Nzosa
9- Mathurin
10- Patrick Baldwin
11- Timme


Jabari Smith not in your top 10?
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Post#947 » by MemphisX » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:14 am

Coeur wrote:1- Banchero
2- Chet
3- Nikola Jovic
4- Ousmane Dieng
5- Ivey
6- Jalen Duren
7- Roko P
8- Nzosa
9- Mathurin
10- Patrick Baldwin
11- Timme



I wouldn't take Nzosa anywhere in the first round.
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Post#948 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:56 am

Duren is McDyess 2.0. Before the injury, Antonio was a very solid two-way 4. Duren should still be in the lottery mix. I'm not too worried about him as 4/5 in college can only do so much when they don't have elite guards to play with. He's got the NBA body, and while he's likely 6'9" (not the 6'11" I've seen listed) he has length and is a very quick leaper. I'm not seeing superstar but were people thinking he would be?

Bates is still 17 y/o. He's Ingram 2.0. Very natural basketball player who is clearly skilled beyond his years and knows what he's trying to do. His lack of elite athleticism limits his upside but man, it would not surprise me to see him take a major leap and by the time he comes out, he'll solidify his place among the high lottery talents.

I heard a funny thing during one of their games, not sure if anyone else caught this. Apparently Penny hasn't installed a system? Yikes. That would explain things quite a bit. The understandably frustrated kids are beginning to be unable to hide it. I'm not sure how long Penny lasts if it continues.
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Post#949 » by Coeur » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:38 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
Coeur wrote:1- Banchero
2- Chet
3- Nikola Jovic
4- Ousmane Dieng
5- Ivey
6- Jalen Duren
7- Roko P
8- Nzosa
9- Mathurin
10- Patrick Baldwin
11- Timme


Jabari Smith not in your top 10?

Forgot him. Should be somewhere 6-8
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Post#950 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:48 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:Duren is McDyess 2.0. Before the injury, Antonio was a very solid two-way 4. Duren should still be in the lottery mix. I'm not too worried about him as 4/5 in college can only do so much when they don't have elite guards to play with. He's got the NBA body, and while he's likely 6'9" (not the 6'11" I've seen listed) he has length and is a very quick leaper. I'm not seeing superstar but were people thinking he would be?

Bates is still 17 y/o. He's Ingram 2.0. Very natural basketball player who is clearly skilled beyond his years and knows what he's trying to do. His lack of elite athleticism limits his upside but man, it would not surprise me to see him take a major leap and by the time he comes out, he'll solidify his place among the high lottery talents.

I heard a funny thing during one of their games, not sure if anyone else caught this. Apparently Penny hasn't installed a system? Yikes. That would explain things quite a bit. The understandably frustrated kids are beginning to be unable to hide it. I'm not sure how long Penny lasts if it continues.

Coming into the season people were saying Duren was going to challenge Chet and Paolo for a top pick. It’s also not just guards not getting him the ball. He isn’t grabbing rebounds, he isn’t showing any kind of skills or moves whenever he does get the ball. He also isn’t showing an ability to defend without fouling as well.

When it comes to Bates being like Ingram. Ingram had crazy elite measurables with his length. Bates has horrible measurements. Ingram is also a good athlete. Ingram is smooth with his movements. Bates is the complete opposite, Bates is a bad athlete and his movements are very stiff and forced. Bates has had no ability at all to create any kind of space against legit opposition and he has yet to face any elite opposition. Ingram never had that issue in college.

And ya Penny is laughably bad.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#951 » by GimmeDat » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:22 am

I haven't been able to watch a lot of college basketball this year but it didn't take me long to go wildly off Bates. Real disappointment relative to the hype.
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Post#952 » by God Squad » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:51 pm

I still think Jovic and Kendall Brown are being undervalued compared to others in this thread.
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Post#953 » by MotownMadness » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:55 pm

Banchero
Ivey
Jabari Smith
Chet
Baldwin

That's probably my top 5 for now but I do know I'm taking Banchero #1 right now.
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Post#954 » by GSWFan1994 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:22 pm

Hoopshype published today a composite of 9 mocks from the mainstream sites (ESPN, Bleacher Report, Yahoo and so on).

I'll only post here the top 15 players, if you wanna check the rest, here's the link.

1. Paolo Banchero
2. Chet Holmgren
3. Jabari Smith
4. Jalen Duren
5. Jaden Hardy
6. Jaden Ivey
7. Patrick Baldwin Jr.
8. TyTy Washington
9. Bennedict Mathurin
10. Caleb Houstan
11. Kennedy Chandler
12. Dyson Daniels
13. Jean Montero
14. Ousmane Dieng
15. Peyton Watson

Thoughts?
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Post#955 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:04 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Hoopshype published today a composite of 9 mocks from the mainstream sites (ESPN, Bleacher Report, Yahoo and so on).

I'll only post here the top 15 players, if you wanna check the rest, here's the link.

1. Paolo Banchero
2. Chet Holmgren
3. Jabari Smith
4. Jalen Duren
5. Jaden Hardy
6. Jaden Ivey
7. Patrick Baldwin Jr.
8. TyTy Washington
9. Bennedict Mathurin
10. Caleb Houstan
11. Kennedy Chandler
12. Dyson Daniels
13. Jean Montero
14. Ousmane Dieng
15. Peyton Watson

Thoughts?


Any mocks that still have Duren top 5 are junk and just hanging onto preseason hype. We see this every year. These bigger sites mocks tend to try and save face for their early rankings and slowly drop players even though its clear they arent top picks anymore. I also dont see how Ivey isn't in the top 4 at the moment.
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Post#956 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:36 pm

insane that these mocks still have Duren top5, but it's ok, usually takes these clowns a few weeks to catch up to us.
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Post#957 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:38 pm

first 'official' update, 3 tiers, had trouble putting anyone else in there, Liddell's close, Johnny Davis maybe...Daniels possibly at some point we'll see

T1
1 Jabari Smith Jr.

T2
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Chet Holmgren

T3
4 Jaden Ivey
5 Kendall Brown
6 Nikola Jovic
7 Max Christie
8 Ousmane Dieng
9 Caleb Houstan
10 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
11 Keegan Murray
12 Jaden Hardy
13 Kennedy Chandler
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Post#958 » by CptCrunch » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:18 pm

But realistically, how much can we blame Penny for Duren's troubles?

Or does he simply suck? Feast on the mid and low majors, plays like crap against even lower end of the P5 teams?
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Post#959 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:23 pm

i mena, it's more about his archetype than Duren specifically, i think he'll have utility at the next level in some systems that will allow him to roam defensively and be a help blocker, but offensively he's essentially a single level guy who'll get most of his production on put backs, rolls and dunks. you just don't take these guys that high in the draft, even a mediocre one like this one.
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Post#960 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:55 pm

CptCrunch wrote:But realistically, how much can we blame Penny for Duren's troubles?

Or does he simply suck? Feast on the mid and low majors, plays like crap against even lower end of the P5 teams?


I mean I think its a mixture of both.

1st. People tend to get too hyped off of big men who have "perimeter skills" when in high school. Most of the time its just off of highlights and they actually dont play like that game to game and the majority of the time you see them pulling perimeter moves off of players that will never play a minute in college. I saw a lot of people thinking Duren was some skilled big man coming into college. He wasn't, he is just an energy big on the offensive end. You see this the last few games. Ya he doesnt get the ball in great spots, but when he has got the ball he has nothing when going against players with actual size. My biggest eye opening thing with him so far is how horrible of a rebounder he has been. He's averaging 5 rebounds per game over the last 4 games (all against power conference schools). He doesnt play the ball in the air, he doesnt get good positioning for rebounds. He looks like someone who has only ever gotten rebounds because he has been so much bigger than everyone else.

2nd. Ya Penny is a horrible coach. He isn't doing anything to help these guys. You would think you would see more PnR will Lomax and Duren, but Duren kind of just floats around all game long. Its been clear from day 1 that Penny was over his head. He has been trying to coach Memphis like he coached his AAU team and college ball is very different than AAU.

With all that said dont get me wrong, Im not saying Duren isn't draft able or anything. Ya you draft him because he is young, he is already strong as hell and is a great athlete. But he's one of those raw athletic bigs you can get later in the draft.

Ill just ask this for anyone that is still very high on Duren. What are the major differences between Durn and Jericho Sims either than age? Same size, same build, Sims is the better athlete in my opinion though. What is the big difference between Duren this year and Sims last year for Texas? You can say blocked shots, but Duren is down to 1.8 blocks per game over the last 4 games. Im also not saying Duren should go super late 2nd like Sims because I think the age difference is significant. But again this will go back to what Clyde and I were saying last week. You take a player like Duren late 1st or in the 2nd.

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