Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#941 » by Nate505 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:42 am

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bisme37 wrote:I don't like that Jokic trucked him in the back. That can lead to a serious life-changing injury. I'm not mad at all that he hit/shoved Morris. And I know Morris had his back turned. But call his name and punch him when he turns around or something.

Even if Morris is a bleep we probably don't need to see him suffer a spinal injury during a live basketball game, which could have legit happened. It just crosses some kind of line for me. (But I'll get over it haha.)


That's just you spewing bull. Nothing can happen when you shove a guy like that.

Yeah, I doubt that. The likelihood of something happening might be low, but being blindsided with force can potentially have some serious repercussions.
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#942 » by Pharmcat » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:50 am

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wraith985 wrote:Markieff deserved every bit of that. What a little bitch.



Actually the “b****” move is to attack someone whose not even looking at you. Real men don’t do that

True... I guess, the other "real-man" option would be to tap him on the shoulder and when he turns punch his nose in.
But NBA wouldn't look very kindly on that because it looks too calculated and not so heat-of-the-moment reaction.


What he did was calculated too. But at least your suggestion is more manly than what Jokic did
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#943 » by G R E Y » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:50 am

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If I could murder one person and get away with it, Bill Laimbeer would get strong, strong consideration. I'm not even sure Robert Parish got suspended for beating his ass.

No foul called, no tech, no ejection! :lol: Even the refs were like, Finally somebody laid his ass out!

Parish did get suspended one game, fined $7500. Bird: "For doing that good deed?" :lol:

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Laimbeer: "I don't fight. I agitate then walk away." Tells you all you need to know about him in one **** sentence. **** gutless arrogant ahole.

This is also the Morris sneaky cheapshot who? what, me?! blueprint.

Laimbeer to me has top-three, likely top, most punchable face spot of all time. Morrises are making their way up the list.


It's hard to describe just how much I hated, and probably still do to a large degree, Bill Laimbeer. He was an excellent player, no question. The Pistons couldn't have won championships without him. But that whole style of play of agitating to provoke a response and delivering cheap shots and flopping is just so unbelievably chickensht to me. But I guess sports is all about identifying inefficiencies and exploiting them, and figuring out you could do that with minimal repercussions was part of it. Hence the flagrant foul. The fact they lost a ring to a phantom foul on Laimbeer is the definition of cosmic justice.

You mean when he fouled out in '88? Yeah well it was a bad call but there are small truths and there are bigger truths; the smaller truth is that it was a phantom call but the bigger truth is that Laimbeer's tactics caught up with him. For all the bad non-calls that weren't but should have been made, they accumulated into this one bad phantom call. Purists, and I'm mostly one of them, would say each call has to be made fairly in its own context without outside influence. But every now and again, it seems basketball gods open a door and whisper justice in. It's unfair but fair...

Agree with everything you said about Laimbeer.

Also, the year prior it made the steal have that much more import beyond the great on-court play itself: that Bird was the one who stole it, that he did it off of the intended receiver Laimbeer, that he passed with Laimbeer on him, that it was scored on Laimbeer's face, that it decided the outcome of the game after everything Laimbeer did in the series was the most epically satisfying poetic justice. I was so happy I cried :lol: And then the Cs won the series. It still fills me with a deep warm satisfying joy.
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#944 » by Jkam31 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:51 am

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Yuri Vaultin wrote:Turning your back does not absolve you from retribution, it just makes it easier to deliver.


He thought if you turn your back your safe he’s like you can’t hit me if I turn around quickly
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#945 » by ken6199 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:54 am

wraith985 wrote:Chuck said it perfectly at the end. "Can't hit people and get mad that they hit you back".

And on that injury discussion happening above - yeah, nobody's actively wishing injury on Morris. But after what he pulled, ain't nobody gonna feel bad for him that he got hurt on the retaliation either.

I certainly don't believe Jokic was aiming to hurt Morris with that move. It is not cinical. It happened too quick out of frustration for Jokic to think "hmmm where should I aim to finish this dude's career". (unlike what Roy Keane did to Haaland). It's like that shove from Beverly to CP3, yeah it was dangerous to shove people from the back when they are unprepared, in some way cowardly, but those were all frustration.

That said, because of the consequence, the league should suspend Jokic for a game or two. From our fans standpoint, I have less sympathy for players like the Morris twins. Don't dish it if you can't take it back.
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#946 » by AussieCeltic » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:55 am

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Actually the “b****” move is to attack someone whose not even looking at you. Real men don’t do that

True... I guess, the other "real-man" option would be to tap him on the shoulder and when he turns punch his nose in.
But NBA wouldn't look very kindly on that because it looks too calculated and not so heat-of-the-moment reaction.


What he did was calculated too. But at least your suggestion is more manly than what Jokic did


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Post#947 » by JN61 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:55 am

Inside the NBA crew had the perfect take on this.
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Post#948 » by sjballer03 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:00 am

Jkam31 wrote::oops:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:Turning your back does not absolve you from retribution, it just makes it easier to deliver.


He thought if you turn your back your safe he’s like you can’t hit me if I turn around quickly


Funny thing is Morris was already turning his back as he fouled Jokic. He knew what he was doing.
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Post#949 » by bakafool » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:01 am

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wraith985 wrote:Chuck said it perfectly at the end. "Can't hit people and get mad that they hit you back".

And on that injury discussion happening above - yeah, nobody's actively wishing injury on Morris. But after what he pulled, ain't nobody gonna feel bad for him that he got hurt on the retaliation either.

I certainly don't believe Jokic was aiming to hurt Morris with that move. It is not cinical. It happened too quick out of frustration for Jokic to think "hmmm where should I aim to finish this dude's career". (unlike what Roy Keane did to Haaland). It's like that shove from Beverly to CP3, yeah it was dangerous to shove people from the back when they are unprepared, in some way cowardly, but those were all frustration.

That said, because of the consequence, the league should suspend Jokic for a game or two. From our fans standpoint, I have less sympathy for players like the Morris twins. Don't dish it if you can't take it back.


Morris had such devious intent. Dude was rout to hurt Jokic. League should take that into account.
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Post#950 » by bbalnation » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:02 am

Notice how NONE of the NBA guys (RJ, Shaq, Chuck) are bringing up the "dirty Morris twins" as if they're Zaza, Bill Lambeer, Bruce Bowen, etc. Shaq brought up Brad Miller. Thats fair?

Thats been my thing with this: the intensity of the anger doesn't fit.

Just talk about the play. Not obsessively speak about the players, what they deserve, etc.

Jokic has to protect himself. I said it on like page 5. But even he knew he overreacted after looking at the video (post-game interview). Fans see the video and think otherwise. That's confusing.
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#951 » by azcatz11 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:08 am

I couldn't imagine ever defending the Morris twins. Even KU fans disown them as their own. And that says a lot lol
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#952 » by DaPessimist » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:12 am

Morris landed a cheap shot. Jokic landed a harder cheap shot.

Suspend both guys a game for not playing basketball, and move on with life.
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Post#953 » by The Rebel » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:14 am

bbalnation wrote:Notice how NONE of the NBA guys (RJ, Shaq, Chuck) are bringing up the "dirty Morris twins" as if they're Zaza, Bill Lambeer, Bruce Bowen, etc. Shaq brought up Brad Miller. Thats fair?

Thats been my thing with this: the intensity of the anger doesn't fit.

Just talk about the play. Not obsessively speak about the players, what they deserve, etc.

Jokic has to protect himself. I said it on like page 5. But even he knew he overreacted after looking at the video (post-game interview). Fans see the video and think otherwise. That's confusing.


Jokic said what he had to say, I doubt he believes it.

As for nobody bring up the dirty Morris twins, do you think the announcers brought up Zaza, Lambier, Bowen or any of the others dirty players when they were playing? No national announcers ever call out a player for their dirty past.
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Post#954 » by bubonicphoniks » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:15 am

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Was Beverley's foul where he tore up Westbrook's knee just a hard foul too?

Should I be able to punch a player and then just turn my back, knowing retaliation is coming, and get away with no consequences?

1. Knee'd Jokic's knee sideways, while he had all 280 lbs planted on that leg
2. Elbowed him in the ribs as he was going to take off into the air

It's like people only saw the shove, not the lead up to it. Watch it in slow motion, it's a setting on youtube.
Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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By definition a flagrant 2 is not part of the game either.
Its in the rules. Its part of the game.

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Post#955 » by bbalnation » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:19 am

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bbalnation wrote:Notice how NONE of the NBA guys (RJ, Shaq, Chuck) are bringing up the "dirty Morris twins" as if they're Zaza, Bill Lambeer, Bruce Bowen, etc. Shaq brought up Brad Miller. Thats fair?

Thats been my thing with this: the intensity of the anger doesn't fit.

Just talk about the play. Not obsessively speak about the players, what they deserve, etc.

Jokic has to protect himself. I said it on like page 5. But even he knew he overreacted after looking at the video (post-game interview). Fans see the video and think otherwise. That's confusing.


Jokic said what he had to say, I doubt he believes it.

As for nobody bring up the dirty Morris twins, do you think the announcers brought up Zaza, Lambier, Bowen or any of the others dirty players when they were playing? No national announcers ever call out a player for their dirty past.



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Post#956 » by Hsker4Life » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:23 am

The Rebel wrote:
bbalnation wrote:Notice how NONE of the NBA guys (RJ, Shaq, Chuck) are bringing up the "dirty Morris twins" as if they're Zaza, Bill Lambeer, Bruce Bowen, etc. Shaq brought up Brad Miller. Thats fair?

Thats been my thing with this: the intensity of the anger doesn't fit.

Just talk about the play. Not obsessively speak about the players, what they deserve, etc.

Jokic has to protect himself. I said it on like page 5. But even he knew he overreacted after looking at the video (post-game interview). Fans see the video and think otherwise. That's confusing.


Jokic said what he had to say, I doubt he believes it.

As for nobody bring up the dirty Morris twins, do you think the announcers brought up Zaza, Lambier, Bowen or any of the others dirty players when they were playing? No national announcers ever call out a player for their dirty past.

You know who else has a dirty past? Jokic.
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Re: Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected 

Post#957 » by Jkam31 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:23 am

Muggamills wrote:Didnt Jokic have a dirty play in the playoffs?

This is nothing new from him..

But you know the great white man most be protected at all times

Do not derail threads with antagonistic race baiting. It's unnecessary, inappropriate, and a violation of forum guidelines.


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Post#958 » by bbalnation » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:26 am

Hsker4Life wrote:
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bbalnation wrote:Notice how NONE of the NBA guys (RJ, Shaq, Chuck) are bringing up the "dirty Morris twins" as if they're Zaza, Bill Lambeer, Bruce Bowen, etc. Shaq brought up Brad Miller. Thats fair?

Thats been my thing with this: the intensity of the anger doesn't fit.

Just talk about the play. Not obsessively speak about the players, what they deserve, etc.

Jokic has to protect himself. I said it on like page 5. But even he knew he overreacted after looking at the video (post-game interview). Fans see the video and think otherwise. That's confusing.


Jokic said what he had to say, I doubt he believes it.

As for nobody bring up the dirty Morris twins, do you think the announcers brought up Zaza, Lambier, Bowen or any of the others dirty players when they were playing? No national announcers ever call out a player for their dirty past.

You know who else has a dirty past? Jokic.


I could also talk about the Jokic brothers and hold him accountable for their mistakes since he spends so much time with them.

It would make sense, since people keep saying "Morris twins" and holding Markieff accountable for his brothers actions.

But nah. That wouldn't make sense either.

Nikola is accountable for Nikola. Markieff is accountable for Markieff. Regardless of the hilarious Twitter war.
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Post#959 » by manchambo » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:40 am

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One guy did a hard foul on a player with the ball.

The other guy blindsided somebody outside of the flow of play.

Those are not comparable.

Was he supposed to politely tap his shoulder to ask him to square up? Bro if you hit someone then turn around a lovely back of the head punch is within the range of responses to look forward to. He only got a shove so he should say thank you.


No, he was supposed to not hit somebody. Jokic should have let the refs deal with it - that's their job. Players are not supposed to be acting as enforcers - this isn't hockey.


That's just not how the world works. There's a certain level of cheap shot that Jokic basically has to respond to. If he doesn't, people will do stuff like that to him more and more. It's not hockey, and it isn't 80s NBA, but a player like Jokic still has to stand up for himself to let people know they won't get away with that kind of ****.

On a completely unrelated note, this incident has reminded me yet again that going drinking with the three Jokic brothers would be amazing.
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Post#960 » by Capn'O » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:57 am

bisme37 wrote:I don't like that Jokic trucked him in the back. That can lead to a serious life-changing injury. I'm not mad at all that he hit/shoved Morris. And I know Morris had his back turned. But call his name and punch him when he turns around or something.

Even if Morris is a bleep we probably don't need to see him suffer a spinal injury during a live basketball game, which could have legit happened. It just crosses some kind of line for me. (But I'll get over it haha.)


Part of it is that Jokic is really really strong. Morris' move was really dangerous too but it happened to not ding up Joker too badly.
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