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TPA wrote:

Crymson wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:Lol. Recipe for success?

Recipe for doing the best they can after being undercut by perennially cheap ownership.

Simon wants the team to always make the playoffs but isn't willing to spend on a contender. He's worth $5 billion.

By my math, Indiana would have exceeded the cap and had a top-10 team payroll IF Turner had accepted their offer. Indiana probably made the calculation that they didn't need to bid against themselves and go as high as Milwaukee eventually was able to, in order to retain him. If Milwaukee hadn't made the unprecedented decision to waive/stretch Lillard to create the cap-space to make the offer that they did for Miles service, he'd probably be back with Indiana for 3 more years.

Jay Huff is a massive decrease in talent.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

TPA wrote:

Crymson wrote:
Recipe for doing the best they can after being undercut by perennially cheap ownership.

Simon wants the team to always make the playoffs but isn't willing to spend on a contender. He's worth $5 billion.

By my math, Indiana would have exceeded the cap and had a top-10 team payroll IF Turner had accepted their offer. Indiana probably made the calculation that they didn't need to bid against themselves and go as high as Milwaukee eventually was able to, in order to retain him. If Milwaukee hadn't made the unprecedented decision to waive/stretch Lillard to create the cap-space to make the offer that they did for Miles service, he'd probably be back with Indiana for 3 more years.

Jay Huff is a massive decrease in talent.

Pacers not trying to win next year, makes sense.

the_l_train wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

TPA wrote:By my math, Indiana would have exceeded the cap and had a top-10 team payroll IF Turner had accepted their offer. Indiana probably made the calculation that they didn't need to bid against themselves and go as high as Milwaukee eventually was able to, in order to retain him. If Milwaukee hadn't made the unprecedented decision to waive/stretch Lillard to create the cap-space to make the offer that they did for Miles service, he'd probably be back with Indiana for 3 more years.

Jay Huff is a massive decrease in talent.

Pacers not trying to win next year, makes sense.

After making the finals, did they actually say that?

No Turner, no Haliburton. Would make sense for them to focus on developing the secondary players and get a lottery pick in preparation for 2027

BadMofoPimp wrote:

TPA wrote:

Crymson wrote:
Recipe for doing the best they can after being undercut by perennially cheap ownership.

Simon wants the team to always make the playoffs but isn't willing to spend on a contender. He's worth $5 billion.

By my math, Indiana would have exceeded the cap and had a top-10 team payroll IF Turner had accepted their offer. Indiana probably made the calculation that they didn't need to bid against themselves and go as high as Milwaukee eventually was able to, in order to retain him. If Milwaukee hadn't made the unprecedented decision to waive/stretch Lillard to create the cap-space to make the offer that they did for Miles service, he'd probably be back with Indiana for 3 more years.

Jay Huff is a massive decrease in talent.

Correct

Piston Pete wrote:No Turner, no Haliburton. Would make sense for them to focus on developing the secondary players and get a lottery pick in preparation for 2027

They should really trade us Siakam lol

the_l_train wrote:

Piston Pete wrote:Best “low-cost” option IMO is the Buck’s Tyler Smith.

Next would be Minnesota’s Leonard Miller


Others:
Taylor Hendricks
Grant Williams


How attainable would GG Jackson be now that Memphis locked up both Aldama and JJJ long-term?

I irrationally love the idea of GG Jackson as our missing piece at PF.

I’d give up a 1st round pick for him.

GG is intriguing for sure. He had a good rookie season, but suffered his sophomore year. He is not a shot blocker, but can shoot.

1st is steep, but in this case, if Langdon thinks he's it...

the_l_train wrote:Also said the love was irrational…

Haha, fair enough!

He looked great as a rookie, struggled last year per his injury. He’s also 20 years old, and they aren’t gonna give him to us for nothing.

How about a protected first?

Given that the Pistons aren't likely to be picking at the tail end of the 1st, I'd be surprised to see the front office surrender anything but a heavily protected 2026 pick -- which would leave no point for the Grizzlies in making this trade unless there's something seriously wrong with him physically; as you say, they won't just give him up for nothing -- for a player who has such a minor track record.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

the_l_train wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Jay Huff is a massive decrease in talent.

Pacers not trying to win next year, makes sense.

After making the finals, did they actually say that?

Did they need to? Hali won't be playing at all next year. They also let Turner walk because they weren't interested in paying the tax.

Rough time for Pacers.

Snakebites wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

the_l_train wrote:
Pacers not trying to win next year, makes sense.

After making the finals, did they actually say that?

Did they need to? Hali won't be playing at all next year. They also let Turner walk because they weren't interested in paying the tax.

Rough time for Pacers.

Also makes the Pelicans trade to give the Pacers control of their 2026 first back even more ridiculous (granted it did happen just before Haliburton tore his Achilles). Dumars/Weaver keep taking the Ls.

The most piston thing I could think of is leveraging our future picks to get Jaren Jackson Jr. And Jared Vanderbilt with Harris and LeVert going out with picks. I think we could get Vanderbilt for our exception and 2nd, Lakers will be motivated to get off his contact because it's 3 years instead of 2 and will create more space for the summer they want cap space.

Cade / Sasser / Vet min
Ivey / Robinson / Lanier
Thompson / Holland / Vet min.
Jackson / Vanderbilt / Klintman
Duren / Stewart / Reed

Both your starting and back 3's & 4's can guard 1-4, you would have rim protection with Jackson, Duren and Stewart. It would just be a team of dogs and really be the return of Detroit Baaaasketball!

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DET_Athletics wrote:The most piston thing I could think of is leveraging our future picks to get Jaren Jackson Jr. And Jared Vanderbilt with Harris and LeVert going out with picks. I think we could get Vanderbilt for our exception and 2nd, Lakers will be motivated to get off his contact because it's 3 years instead of 2 and will create more space for the summer they want cap space.

Cade / Sasser / Vet min
Ivey / Robinson / Lanier
Thompson / Holland / Vet min.
Jackson / Vanderbilt / Klintman
Duren / Stewart / Reed

Both your starting and back 3's & 4's can guard 1-4, you would have rim protection with Jackson, Duren and Stewart. It would just be a team of dogs and really be the return of Detroit Baaaasketball!

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Getting JJJ seems lofty, but I like the idea of a healthy Vanderbilt on this team. Great glue guy to have as your 8th/9th man.

DET_Athletics wrote:The most piston thing I could think of is leveraging our future picks to get Jaren Jackson Jr. And Jared Vanderbilt with Harris and LeVert going out with picks. I think we could get Vanderbilt for our exception and 2nd, Lakers will be motivated to get off his contact because it's 3 years instead of 2 and will create more space for the summer they want cap space.

Cade / Sasser / Vet min
Ivey / Robinson / Lanier
Thompson / Holland / Vet min.
Jackson / Vanderbilt / Klintman
Duren / Stewart / Reed

Both your starting and back 3's & 4's can guard 1-4, you would have rim protection with Jackson, Duren and Stewart. It would just be a team of dogs and really be the return of Detroit Baaaasketball!

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I cannot fathom management making that move. They wouldn't this season, but maybe next depending how this plays out.

I’m just trying to get a backup for Tobias, you got Boucher and Bol Bol. I feel like Utah needs a guard I’d be willing to move Sasser for Kyle Anderson, AJ Martin, Kevin Love. Anyone one of those guys could help we could resign Waters, and try to Jenkins on a 4/16m. Utahs has a lot of front court players right now. I’ve always wanted Kyle Anderson, otherwise I think you just stick to that fringe 3/d guy like a Tooson, Crowder, or PJ Tucker.

I like Boucher although I suspect he may be holding out for a team that has guaranteed bench minutes for him, which we may not have if the rotation is fully healthy.

Bol Bol may be a better option as he's probably more accepting of less guaranteed minutes, and has significant length which we are missing in the frontcourt. I wonder if there is still some hard feelings from his side though over the failed trade a few seasons ago (even though it was a different front office at the time).

Nothings going on here do I got one maybe no one has thought of. Ivey/Tulu to the Jazz for Hendricks, Keyonte Goerge, and Filipowski

Mr Peanut wrote:I like Boucher although I suspect he may be holding out for a team that has guaranteed bench minutes for him, which we may not have if the rotation is fully healthy.

Bol Bol may be a better option as he's probably more accepting of less guaranteed minutes, and has significant length which we are missing in the frontcourt. I wonder if there is still some hard feelings from his side though over the failed trade a few seasons ago (even though it was a different front office at the time).

Bol's length doesn't do him any good; it's his defense that has kept him on the fringes of the league. He's an absolutely horrendous defender thanks to his combination of terrible lateral mobility and inability to protect the rim; he can't play defense at any position.

I think Boucher is destined for the likes of the Warriors or the Celtics; both of them are in dire need of bigs and would have significant minutes to offer.

Im watching Dallas for a trade deadline deal for AD. I believe they will move him at some point depending on how Flag is doing and the health of AD. That is the Sheed move if you are looking for one. Still any trade involving AD has to have Harris so maybe a 3rd team or maybe an injury.

Crymson wrote:

Mr Peanut wrote:I like Boucher although I suspect he may be holding out for a team that has guaranteed bench minutes for him, which we may not have if the rotation is fully healthy.

Bol Bol may be a better option as he's probably more accepting of less guaranteed minutes, and has significant length which we are missing in the frontcourt. I wonder if there is still some hard feelings from his side though over the failed trade a few seasons ago (even though it was a different front office at the time).

Bol's length doesn't do him any good; it's his defense that has kept him on the fringes of the league. He's an absolutely horrendous defender thanks to his combination of terrible lateral mobility and inability to protect the rim; he can't play defense at any position.

I think Boucher is destined for the likes of the Warriors or the Celtics; both of them are in dire need of bigs and would have significant minutes to offer.

I agree on Bol. I feel like we should add Boucher or Trey Lyles. Kind of just get an experienced player who can fill in a role until/unless a bigger move is made.

I think Horford is waiting for the Kuminga situation to end. With what Boston has had to do so far, I’m not sure they’re trying to add anyone. Really seems like they’re trying to avoid the second apron at least. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them try to duck the first one if they’ve not super competitive mid season/trade deadline time

chrbal wrote:I agree on Bol. I feel like we should add Boucher or Trey Lyles. Kind of just get an experienced player who can fill in a role until/unless a bigger move is made.

I think Horford is waiting for the Kuminga situation to end. With what Boston has had to do so far, I’m not sure they’re trying to add anyone. Really seems like they’re trying to avoid the second apron at least. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them try to duck the first one if they’ve not super competitive mid season/trade deadline time

I don't see the Celtics going into the season with Queeta as their only center, particularly if Boucher could be had on a minimum contract.

I'd like to have Lyles or Boucher as well, but I think it's unlikely. If they are signing for the minimum no matter what but can choose between a team with more minutes available versus a team with less (the Pistons will be less), they're very likely to choose the former rather than the latter.