Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

[Grew]

Why is this thread so high on the board? Pat hasn't even played the last 2. Please stop being so negative towards anyone on this team while we are having such a good season. Stop trying to make him look bad by quoting advanced stats and pretending he's shooting 26% from 3 instead of 36%. Pat isn't the guy who goes out there to put up numbers. League RPM, pat is 411 in the league, well tyler hero is 413 and you would all trade for him and play even more minutes than pat, half of you would probably take him over Norm. Stats aren't everything. Lets just be happy with our awesome team. I get this is a relevant discussion, but this is the type of thread I would like to see locked, just to much unwarranted negativity. For the record I wish TD and matt could get all his minutes, but they have defensive lapses, and if they got all his time all of a sudden TD isn't so high in RPM, and Matt isn't top in the league for 3 point%. I wish Boucher or RHJ could shoot consistently from 3 so they could play some minutes there, or maybe that Chris didn't get like 2 or 3 fouls per game just jumping at pump fakes. Reg season is "Practice" right, of course Nick is gonna see what he has with pat, I doubt he will be in the top 9 or 10 of the playoff rotation, lets just hope we don't need him to play due to injury and enjoy the rest of the season.

[duppyy]

Steve Kerr has spoken very highly of McCaw. I guess he was wrong too?

"Hey Steve, what do you think about Patrick McCaw?"
"Oh, he's terrible, shouldn't even be in the league."

That's not going to happen. Kerr is a nice guy, he's going to compliment anyone playing for him, especially a guy who appears to train hard and have a positive attitude. You shouldn't expect an impartial opinion from a coach.

Which is more valuable? The allegedly impartial opinions of a group of realgm forum members or the partial opinions of the two coaches with the highest win % in the history of the game?

Kerr's numbers are skewed considering he got a chance to coach stacked teams (2 superstars, 1 allstar and a Kicker)

He can barely buy a win now with a crappy team. Lets see how he does when Curry comes back, 1 superstar should be good enough to get you a few more wins.

Not to mention he also lost in the finals being up 3-1.

[WaltFrazier]

"Hey Steve, what do you think about Patrick McCaw?"
"Oh, he's terrible, shouldn't even be in the league."

That's not going to happen. Kerr is a nice guy, he's going to compliment anyone playing for him, especially a guy who appears to train hard and have a positive attitude. You shouldn't expect an impartial opinion from a coach.

Which is more valuable? The allegedly impartial opinions of a group of realgm forum members or the partial opinions of the two coaches with the highest win % in the history of the game?

Kerr's numbers are skewed considering he got a chance to coach stacked teams (2 superstars, 1 allstar and a Kicker)

He can barely buy a win now with a crappy team. Lets see how he does when Curry comes back, 1 superstar should be good enough to get you a few more wins.

Not to mention he also lost in the finals being up 3-1.

You should start a 'Steve Kerr is not an NBA caliber coach' thread

[casual_raps_fan]

I agree that McCaw is a bad offensive player and has plenty of flaws and is an overall worse player than Davis. But there is a reason he plays in the nba as much as he does on good teams. If you can’t see it, maybe it’s not two likely HOF coaches who are being partial.

I think this is the key. The Warriors are one of the greatest basketball teams of all time and McCaw managed to find a small role on that team. The Raptors are one of the best teams in the NBA this season and once again McCaw has found a small role on the team. There obviously is a reason why he has found a place on these amazing teams.

I personally don't think he is very good but if you take the time to analyze what he is doing on offense and defense, analyze what the team is trying to do on defense and offense, listen to what Nurse has to say, you can start to get an idea of what he is bringing to the table.

He's an unskilled player but he has shown willingness and discipline to be a small but reliable cog in the machine. The skills of a player determines the player's ceiling which makes McCaw's ceiling very low but his willingness to do what the team wants him to raises his floor which is exactly why he has found minutes on two very good teams.

[RaptorsNorth]

Has someone on here use the bucks game as a reason why we need McCaw yet ? It would be so typical

[J-Roc]

Has someone on here use the bucks game as a reason why we need McCaw yet ? It would be so typical

Sorry didn't get a chance yet.

McCaw says hi.

[The_Hater]

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Why is this thread so high on the board? Pat hasn't even played the last 2.

He missed the last 2 games with the flu, that's very different than being dropped from the rotation.

As for the rest of your rant, this is the Raptors basketball board where people talk about all things Raptor related, such as why is a clearly inferior Patrick McCaw playing more minutes then Terrence Davis? That's how it works. If you don't want to discuss this particular topic then just move along to another.

[The_Hater]

"Hey Steve, what do you think about Patrick McCaw?"
"Oh, he's terrible, shouldn't even be in the league."

That's not going to happen. Kerr is a nice guy, he's going to compliment anyone playing for him, especially a guy who appears to train hard and have a positive attitude. You shouldn't expect an impartial opinion from a coach.

Which is more valuable? The allegedly impartial opinions of a group of realgm forum members or the partial opinions of the two coaches with the highest win % in the history of the game?

Kerr's numbers are skewed considering he got a chance to coach stacked teams (2 superstars, 1 allstar and a Kicker)

He can barely buy a win now with a crappy team. Lets see how he does when Curry comes back, 1 superstar should be good enough to get you a few more wins.

Not to mention he also lost in the finals being up 3-1.

The season Kerr took over as coach from Mark Jackson, the Warriors had lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and weren't even predicted to be one of the top 4 teams in their conference that season. They proceeded to win the title the first year (jumping from outside the top 10 in offense to 1st) and then won an record number of games the following season.

The people who make the 'was handed a great team' argument don't seem to understand the history of what actually happened in GS. Kerr is a great coach, period.

[Grew]

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Why is this thread so high on the board? Pat hasn't even played the last 2.

He missed the last 2 games with the flu, that's very different than being dropped from the rotation.

As for the rest of your rant, this is the Raptors basketball board where people talk about all things Raptor related, such as why is a clearly inferior Patrick McCaw playing more minutes then Terrence Davis? That's how it works. If you don't want to discuss this particular topic then just move along to another.

I never said he was dropped from the rotation, I know why he missed those games. The fact this thread kept filling up after he hadn't even played 2 games just goes to show its less about his play on the basketball court and more of a blind hatred at this point. You can't just call him "clearly inferior", that's the problem with this thread, that's just an absolute statement that really isn't even relevant or make sense, you're just hating. That's some stuff hitler said about jewish people, if pat mccaw was a race of people, half this board would be grabbing pitchforks and looking to start a genocide just because they think undrafted rookie TD deserved all pats minutes from game 1 until now. You don't actually want to discus anything, you just want to be apart of the dump on Pat bandwagon. Maybe read the rest of my "rant", think about it for a few minutes with a mind that's actually open, and maybe you can get some insight into the bigger picture of why pat is getting minutes. Its not as simple as TD is a better natural scorer, he gets all the minutes. I would take TD over Pat any day but just saying "clearly inferior" is just a bad choice of words and that's my problem with this thread. Thread should be called something like "trying to understand why nick plays pat" not just a false absolute statement. 29 other teams in the league would probably give him about the same look he is getting here.

[Grew]

Has someone on here use the bucks game as a reason why we need McCaw yet ? It would be so typical

Not seeing many people on this board with that opinion of pat. But if we had beat the bucks, then you would have seen about 20 posts on why pat being out is the reason we won. That would be typical. I'm not really seeing anyone who defends pat thinking that he's the reason we win games, only people that think he's the reason we lose.

[The_Hater]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Why is this thread so high on the board? Pat hasn't even played the last 2.

He missed the last 2 games with the flu, that's very different than being dropped from the rotation.

As for the rest of your rant, this is the Raptors basketball board where people talk about all things Raptor related, such as why is a clearly inferior Patrick McCaw playing more minutes then Terrence Davis? That's how it works. If you don't want to discuss this particular topic then just move along to another.

I never said he was dropped from the rotation, I know why he missed those games. The fact this thread kept filling up after he hadn't even played 2 games just goes to show its less about his play on the basketball court and more of a blind hatred at this point. You can't just call him "clearly inferior", that's the problem with this thread, that's just an absolute statement that really isn't even relevant or make sense, you're just hating. That's some stuff hitler said about jewish people, if pat mccaw was a race of people, half this board would be grabbing pitchforks and looking to start a genocide just because they think undrafted rookie TD deserved all pats minutes from game 1 until now. You don't actually want to discus anything, you just want to be apart of the dump on Pat bandwagon. Maybe read the rest of my "rant", think about it for a few minutes with a mind that's actually open, and maybe you can get some insight into the bigger picture of why pat is getting minutes. Its not as simple as TD is a better natural scorer, he gets all the minutes. I would take TD over Pat any day but just saying "clearly inferior" is just a bad choice of words and that's my problem with this thread. Thread should be called something like "trying to understand why nick plays pat" not just a false absolute statement. 29 other teams in the league would probably give him about the same look he is getting here.

So Just to be clear, I’m supposed to have an open mind here when I responded to your post specifically because you weren’t having an open mind about other people’s opinions. See the irony in that request?

I’m trying to figure out what you expect to change with this ‘open mind’ request. I’ve watched every single Raptor game that McCaw, Davis and Thomas have played, I have all their statistical information including advanced stats (neither of which are very kind to McCaw) and I have formed an opinion about these 3 players. That’s how it works. I’ve read your two posts here and you’ve provided no information that would cause me to change or alter my opinion on McCaw either.

And my opinion is that he’s he clearly inferior to Davis (and Thomas for that matter), I don’t think that’s a bad choice of words at all. The eye test tells me this and statistically it’s ridiculously lopsided. A huge majority of Raptor fans also think that he’s clearly inferior to Davis. I haven’t done an online poll but I feel safe in concluding this. Frankly, there isn’t a lot of information that supports the contrary.

As for 29 other teams giving him the same look? Well, that’s probably false considering the woeful Cleveland Cavs signed him just last January, watched him for a handful of games (where he was beyond awful) and then cut him loose. This was after Golden State let him go because he was demanding too much money for his end of the bench role with them. At that point there wasn’t a huge lineup for his services but the Raptors took a chance. There certainly wouldn’t be 29 teams dying to sign him if he was let go tomorrow. Maybe 2-3. Maybe.

And I’m fine with the fact that he’s one of 17 players on the roster but imo he absolutely should not be getting rotation minutes because we have much better options. Since you indicated that you also think Davis is a better player, I have no idea what you’re even debating about at this point.

[J-Roc]

He's feeling better so should be back in the lineup tomorrow. Finally put some pressure on TD and Matty Ice to raise their games.

[duppyy]

Has someone on here use the bucks game as a reason why we need McCaw yet ? It would be so typical

McCaw would've scored 10 threes against the bucks!

[LoveMyRaps]

He's feeling better so should be back in the lineup tomorrow. Finally put some pressure on TD and Matty Ice to raise their games.

yes Matt Thomas, who has made 8 threes (in 12 attempts) in 27 minutes of action has to raise his game.
Bruh what else you want him to do loool he's been balling

[Grew]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

He missed the last 2 games with the flu, that's very different than being dropped from the rotation.

As for the rest of your rant, this is the Raptors basketball board where people talk about all things Raptor related, such as why is a clearly inferior Patrick McCaw playing more minutes then Terrence Davis? That's how it works. If you don't want to discuss this particular topic then just move along to another.

I never said he was dropped from the rotation, I know why he missed those games. The fact this thread kept filling up after he hadn't even played 2 games just goes to show its less about his play on the basketball court and more of a blind hatred at this point. You can't just call him "clearly inferior", that's the problem with this thread, that's just an absolute statement that really isn't even relevant or make sense, you're just hating. That's some stuff hitler said about jewish people, if pat mccaw was a race of people, half this board would be grabbing pitchforks and looking to start a genocide just because they think undrafted rookie TD deserved all pats minutes from game 1 until now. You don't actually want to discus anything, you just want to be apart of the dump on Pat bandwagon. Maybe read the rest of my "rant", think about it for a few minutes with a mind that's actually open, and maybe you can get some insight into the bigger picture of why pat is getting minutes. Its not as simple as TD is a better natural scorer, he gets all the minutes. I would take TD over Pat any day but just saying "clearly inferior" is just a bad choice of words and that's my problem with this thread. Thread should be called something like "trying to understand why nick plays pat" not just a false absolute statement. 29 other teams in the league would probably give him about the same look he is getting here.

So Just to be clear, I’m supposed to have an open mind here when I responded to your post specifically because you weren’t having an open mind about other people’s opinions. See the irony in that request?

I’m trying to figure out what you expect to change with this ‘open mind’ request. I’ve watched every single Raptor game that McCaw, Davis and Thomas have played, I have all their statistical information including advanced stats (neither of which are very kind to McCaw) and I have formed an opinion about these 3 players. That’s how it works. I’ve read your two posts here and you’ve provided no information that would cause me to change or alter my opinion on McCaw either.

And my opinion is that he’s he clearly inferior to Davis (and Thomas for that matter), I don’t think that’s a bad choice of words at all. The eye test tells me this and statistically it’s ridiculously lopsided. A huge majority of Raptor fans also think that he’s clearly inferior to Davis. I haven’t done an online poll but I feel safe in concluding this. Frankly, there isn’t a lot of information that supports the contrary.

As for 29 other teams giving him the same look? Well, that’s probably false considering the woeful Cleveland Cavs signed him just last January, watched him for a handful of games (where he was beyond awful) and then cut him loose. This was after Golden State let him go because he was demanding too much money for his end of the bench role with them. At that point there wasn’t a huge lineup for his services but the Raptors took a chance. There certainly wouldn’t be 29 teams dying to sign him if he was let go tomorrow. Maybe 2-3. Maybe.

And I’m fine with the fact that he’s one of 17 players on the roster but imo he absolutely should not be getting rotation minutes because we have much better options. Since you indicated that you also think Davis is a better player, I have no idea what you’re even debating about at this point.

Calling him clearly inferior isn't an opinion that's open for discussion, its just an absolute statement. Maybe the cavs should have kept him, because all I see is them spoon-feeding their draft picks minutes with no accountability. Nick not doing that is part of the reason pat plays for us and our rookies have such good stats. Comparing pats stats with td and matt is like apples to oranges because they don't have the same rolls. It seems some people think this is NBA 2k with injuries turned off and a definite path of upward progression for young players. Its not black and white, not as simple as pat deserves no minutes because he doesn't score a lot. If you had been watching all the games as you say you are, you would be able to see that pat is no real detriment to our team even if he's not really a positive, he has basketball IQ, he knows his roll, and he's a quick 6'7 player with switchability. He just fits the mold and lets our better players shine. I'm totally open minded to having someone else get his minutes, but I'm gonna defer to our championship head coach and try to understand why he would give pat time, and when I think about it, it makes sense. Most people in this thread think they would just have better rotations and overall plan for these players than nurse at this point, its kind of absurd. This is the last post I'm making in this thread, because the same things are said over and over and its not really going anywhere. I think TD is the better overall player, but its understandable why pat plays imo, and I think if people actually tried they could at least get to the point of understanding even if they don't agree with Nicks decision to play him.

[Tor_Raps]

Has someone on here use the bucks game as a reason why we need McCaw yet ? It would be so typical

Not seeing many people on this board with that opinion of pat. But if we had beat the bucks, then you would have seen about 20 posts on why pat being out is the reason we won. That would be typical. I'm not really seeing anyone who defends pat thinking that he's the reason we win games, only people that think he's the reason we lose.

That's usually how scrubs get treated lol

[Tor_Raps]

For anyone who asks why this thread exists... it's because every time he plays, there would be numerous threads venting.

I would have created one after seeing the first half. This is our safe space lol.

[Edvan88]

He's feeling better so should be back in the lineup tomorrow. Finally put some pressure on TD and Matty Ice to raise their games.

Dude there will be no pressure on TD or Matt Thomas because they know that no matter how well they play, Mccaw will always be the first off the bench, and last off the floor.

[traps#10]

When’s the last time he DNP-CD?

[GordanFreeman]

He allows countless blow by's. Punk ass.