2022 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

it's just an awkward archetype to draft in the 1st altogether imo

from 1-14 (really from 1-20) your team is likely in the range where you are still looking for a difference maker at a premium position, combo big or wing or combo guard or high level creator preferably, or role guys like elite shooters, wing defenders or 6th men types.

from 20-30 now we're talking about the PO teams and in this range, teams are typically looking for guys that can help contribute more immediately, so if they need a PnR big that can defend, they're probably looking at Tshiebwe and Williams because they are more likely to contribute short term in the same role as Duren.

where does that really leave him? either in the 15-20 range or the early second round range unless a team just falls in love with him fo reason i'm not really seeing.

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I still think Jovic and Kendall Brown are being undervalued compared to others in this thread.

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[Karanpal]

first 'official' update, 3 tiers, had trouble putting anyone else in there, Liddell's close, Johnny Davis maybe...Daniels possibly at some point we'll see

T1
1 Jabari Smith Jr.

T2
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Chet Holmgren

T3
4 Jaden Ivey
5 Kendall Brown
6 Nikola Jovic
7 Max Christie
8 Ousmane Dieng
9 Caleb Houstan
10 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
11 Keegan Murray
12 Jaden Hardy
13 Kennedy Chandler

No mathurin ?

[Duke4life831]

it's just an awkward archetype to draft in the 1st altogether imo

from 1-14 (really from 1-20) your team is likely in the range where you are still looking for a difference maker at a premium position, combo big or wing or combo guard or high level creator preferably, or role guys like elite shooters, wing defenders or 6th men types.

from 20-30 now we're talking about the PO teams and in this range, teams are typically looking for guys that can help contribute more immediately, so if they need a PnR big that can defend, they're probably looking at Tshiebwe and Williams because they are more likely to contribute short term in the same role as Duren.

where does that really leave him? either in the 15-20 range or the early second round range unless a team just falls in love with him fo reason i'm not really seeing.

Ya I usually go with the 25 and later for this kind of player. And I agree its an awkward thing to draft. I say 25 on with the thoughts of a Celtics and Robert Williams kind of scenario. If you feel like there isn't any players that can contribute right away, okay taking a raw athletic big with the idea of bringing him along a little slower (like the Celtics and Bob). Teams around that area seem to more of a 50/50 split on trying to find players that can contribute early and taking a flyer on a rawer guy. GS did this a few years back with Damian Jones (didnt work out haha).

To me anything before that mid 20s range, Id rather take the gamble on a raw wing player over a raw 5 with the hope of maybe finding a diamond in the rough on a perimeter player, that has a much higher upside than hitting on one of these raw 5s.

[clyde21]

it's just an awkward archetype to draft in the 1st altogether imo

from 1-14 (really from 1-20) your team is likely in the range where you are still looking for a difference maker at a premium position, combo big or wing or combo guard or high level creator preferably, or role guys like elite shooters, wing defenders or 6th men types.

from 20-30 now we're talking about the PO teams and in this range, teams are typically looking for guys that can help contribute more immediately, so if they need a PnR big that can defend, they're probably looking at Tshiebwe and Williams because they are more likely to contribute short term in the same role as Duren.

where does that really leave him? either in the 15-20 range or the early second round range unless a team just falls in love with him fo reason i'm not really seeing.

Ya I usually go with the 25 and later for this kind of player. And I agree its an awkward thing to draft. I say 25 on with the thoughts of a Celtics and Robert Williams kind of scenario. If you feel like there isn't any players that can contribute right away, okay taking a raw athletic big with the idea of bringing him along a little slower (like the Celtics and Bob). Teams around that area seem to more of a 50/50 split on trying to find players that can contribute early and taking a flyer on a rawer guy. GS did this a few years back with Damian Jones (didnt work out haha).

To me anything before that mid 20s range, Id rather take the gamble on a raw wing player over a raw 5 with the hope of maybe finding a diamond in the rough on a perimeter player, that has a much higher upside than hitting on one of these raw 5s.

yea, if you're a deep team and you're picking that late, it makes sense to take a raw guy you can slow cook for a couple of years, it's either that you want a guy to contribute over a shorter window for the next playoff run.

some GMs in that range tho though really don't have that luxury, and need to get guys that can play earlier with clearers paths to success.

[clyde21]

first 'official' update, 3 tiers, had trouble putting anyone else in there, Liddell's close, Johnny Davis maybe...Daniels possibly at some point we'll see

T1
1 Jabari Smith Jr.

T2
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Chet Holmgren

T3
4 Jaden Ivey
5 Kendall Brown
6 Nikola Jovic
7 Max Christie
8 Ousmane Dieng
9 Caleb Houstan
10 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
11 Keegan Murray
12 Jaden Hardy
13 Kennedy Chandler

No mathurin ?

borderline so I left him out, not quite enough juice offensively for me, and doesn't project as a lockdown defender nor a + playmaking type at the wings either. good pick in the 14-20 range most likely but just not enough there to definitively say he should be a lotto guy.

[Duke4life831]

it's just an awkward archetype to draft in the 1st altogether imo

from 1-14 (really from 1-20) your team is likely in the range where you are still looking for a difference maker at a premium position, combo big or wing or combo guard or high level creator preferably, or role guys like elite shooters, wing defenders or 6th men types.

from 20-30 now we're talking about the PO teams and in this range, teams are typically looking for guys that can help contribute more immediately, so if they need a PnR big that can defend, they're probably looking at Tshiebwe and Williams because they are more likely to contribute short term in the same role as Duren.

where does that really leave him? either in the 15-20 range or the early second round range unless a team just falls in love with him fo reason i'm not really seeing.

Ya I usually go with the 25 and later for this kind of player. And I agree its an awkward thing to draft. I say 25 on with the thoughts of a Celtics and Robert Williams kind of scenario. If you feel like there isn't any players that can contribute right away, okay taking a raw athletic big with the idea of bringing him along a little slower (like the Celtics and Bob). Teams around that area seem to more of a 50/50 split on trying to find players that can contribute early and taking a flyer on a rawer guy. GS did this a few years back with Damian Jones (didnt work out haha).

To me anything before that mid 20s range, Id rather take the gamble on a raw wing player over a raw 5 with the hope of maybe finding a diamond in the rough on a perimeter player, that has a much higher upside than hitting on one of these raw 5s.

yea, if you're a deep team and you're picking that late, it makes sense to take a raw guy you can slow cook for a couple of years, it's either that you want a guy to contribute over a shorter window for the next playoff run.

some GMs in that range tho though really don't have that luxury, and need to get guys that can play earlier with clearers paths to success.

I agree and that is why I think its a 50/50 in that slot of the draft. You see teams going for guys that can come in and give you 15-20 minutes right away, which is why that area of the draft is popular to see Juniors and Seniors drafted. And ya you see teams who feel like they have their rotation pretty set, they will take a shot on a higher risk higher reward project.

That is the area I feel fine taking a player like Duren. I was very against GS taking Wiseman top 3, but say they flip Wiseman for a vet big that fits GS better. I wouldnt be against GS using their 1st on Duren (assuming GS stays in that top 3-4 team). Even though I think I would go with a guy like Mark Williams before Duren, but you get my point haha. 25ish pick on, is where I dont have any issues with teams picking these raw 5s. That to me is my line, anything before that I will just feel like its a reach.

[DCasey91]

Mock Draft 2022 (15 picks) update (NBA draftroom source)

Final mock going into the Christmas/New Years break. Using a website source as a tool to make the picks more reasonable. (I wish I could pick say Ivey at 10+ lol). Some places I agree with some don’t but it’s still early and the birds haven’t come home to roost just yet.

Here’s the link below if anyone wants a gander at it:

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2022-nba-mock-draft/

Now onto the 15 (Simple 5,4,3,2,1 picks made at each 10 range interval. Aim is to hit 10/15, I’ll set the pass/fail criteria of a prospect after its done).

(1-10th pick)
Holmgren
Smith Jr
Banchero
Ivey
Brown

(10-20th)
Murray
Griffin Jr
Dieng
Chandler

(20-30th)
Keels
Mathurin
Daniels

(30-40th)
Champagnie
Agbaji

(40+)
Juzang

Duren, Prkacin, TyTy out. Didn’t like the ranges on the website mock. My 1-10 has been set and forget for awhile so TyTy misses out (Ivey swaps Murray occupying different ranges as per source reference). Bolded are the new entrants. Daniels looks big for 6”6” and Chandler is classy, just undersized that’s all.

[TheSuzerain]

Why do 5 star guards attend Tennessee? One of life's great mysteries.

[God Squad]

Every time I watch Jabari Smith I feel like I'm watching Rashard Lewis 2.0.

[The-Power]

Impressive defense by Daniel Batcho from Texas Tech versus Tennessee. Big impact around the rim and really impressive moving his feet on switches.

[EvanZ]

Tari Eason from LSU is having himself a season so far. Does anybody else have him as a potential athletic defensive disruptor off the bench at the next level? I don't love his defensive fundamentals but he's clearly an impressive athlete in transition who gets his hands on a lot of balls on defense. He has Thybulle-level career stocks per 100.

This will sound like a hot take (and I guess it is) but I think he's about roughly an equivalent NBA prospect to Keegan Murray.

[DCasey91]

This draft seems like it has 30 wings/pf’s that are all draft-able lol.

Eason has NBA wing size, don’t think he’ll trouble being an elite 3 ball shooter but his FT routine is compact and he does the same thing which is encouraging. More likely his hand possie on the ball is why the 3P% isn’t crash hot (shoot off the bounce too?)

He picked up like 14 rebounds off the bench some weeks ago lol.

Definitely an acquisition in the later round.

Interesting rough diamond pick possibly

I don’t think this draft is all that bad, like the bigs and guards aren’t the greatest but damn the depth on the 3-4 is huge here. Teams are going to get something to work with

[Duke4life831]

Are Bates and Duren still with Memphis by January 1st, 2022?

I wouldn’t Be shocked if they’re not. I can’t recall the last time a coach has gotten exposed as badly as Penny has.

This isn’t me being hyperbolic, I honestly think there are a good amount of posters on here that would do a better job than Penny.

I see no reason at all for Bates and Duren to stay on this team all year long

[azcatz11]

Are Bates and Duren still with Memphis by January 1st, 2022?

I wouldn’t Be shocked if they’re not. I can’t recall the last time a coach has gotten exposed as badly as Penny has.

This isn’t me being hyperbolic, I honestly think there are a good amount of posters on here that would do a better job than Penny.

I see no reason at all for Bates and Duren to stay on this team all year long

Memphis deserves a good coach. Those fans love that team

[Duke4life831]

Are Bates and Duren still with Memphis by January 1st, 2022?

I wouldn’t Be shocked if they’re not. I can’t recall the last time a coach has gotten exposed as badly as Penny has.

This isn’t me being hyperbolic, I honestly think there are a good amount of posters on here that would do a better job than Penny.

I see no reason at all for Bates and Duren to stay on this team all year long

Memphis deserves a good coach. Those fans love that team

Yup, you can tell that fan base is waiting to explode. They just have no reason to and will continue to not have a reason as long as Penny is the coach. He is as incompetent as they come.

[azcatz11]

Are Bates and Duren still with Memphis by January 1st, 2022?

I wouldn’t Be shocked if they’re not. I can’t recall the last time a coach has gotten exposed as badly as Penny has.

This isn’t me being hyperbolic, I honestly think there are a good amount of posters on here that would do a better job than Penny.

I see no reason at all for Bates and Duren to stay on this team all year long

Memphis deserves a good coach. Those fans love that team

Yup, you can tell that fan base is waiting to explode. They just have no reason to and will continue to not have a reason as long as Penny is the coach. He is as incompetent as they come.

Did you watch the game today at all? I see they lost to Murray St. who is 8-1 but they haven't played anyone. I know they're a decent mid major but still..

[Duke4life831]

Memphis deserves a good coach. Those fans love that team

Yup, you can tell that fan base is waiting to explode. They just have no reason to and will continue to not have a reason as long as Penny is the coach. He is as incompetent as they come.

Did you watch the game today at all? I see they lost to Murray St. who is 8-1 but they haven't played anyone. I know they're a decent mid major but still..

I watched the 2nd half and saw them blow a 10+ point lead.

It’s the same as any other Memphis game I watch. Penny coaches this team like they’re an AAU team. Very little structure and efficiency with their offense. Zero offense being run to play to their guy’s strengths. It’s the roll the ball out there and hope they do something strategy. That can work when you have a massive talent advantage. But both Bates and Duren are very flawed players. And when they go against legit teams and coaches, they don’t have the talent gap big enough to just get but on talent alone. These teams make adjustments during the games and Memphis has nothing.

It’s a horrible combination of these guys being over ranked coming out of high school and Penny being horrible. These guys aren’t great, but they also shouldn’t have lost every game they’ve played against a somewhat legit team either.

[yoyoboy]

There's no way Jabari isn't at the bare minimum a high-level role player.

[clyde21]

There's no way Jabari isn't at the bare minimum a high-level role player.

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