ALL RUBIO TALK HERE

Foye · Post #961 » by **Foye** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:18 am

Just wait about news from Rubio, his agent or the Timberwolves.

I hate this written comparison of your dicks KWSN-Men and Genjuro. Really annoying. We'll see what happens in a few days or weeks.

Genjuro · Post #962 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:20 am

By the way, here you have a link: http://www.elpunt.cat/noticia/article/8 ... penya.html

They say Ricky will meet with Joventut's representatives today to settle the first terms of a future agreement. It seems that Rubio is now more open to play in another European team, and the two teams leading the Rubio sweepstakes are Real Madrid and Unicaja.

Both teams offer him a good salary, although the logic choice is Real Madrid. Rubio likes the Unicaja option because the coach is Aíto García Reneses (they guy that coached him in his first three seasons in the ACB), but it looks like two years of contract would not be enough for Unicaja considering how much money they would have to pay to Joventut. Real Madrid has much more money and more ability to take advantage of Rubio's marketing potential.

Anyway, as you can see, being able to join the NBA in two years seems a priority at this point for Rubio.

Genjuro · Post #963 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 10:22 am

Foye wrote:Just wait about news from Rubio, his agent or the Timberwolves.

I hate this written comparison of your dicks KWSN-Men and Genjuro. Really annoying. We'll see what happens in a few days or weeks.

I don't really have dick and I can't compete with a 197 IQ.

Post #964 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:25 pm

KWSN-Men wrote:I have about 50 posts from a certain member here threatening me, harassing me, insulting me, calling me names, bashing me, etc. If you keep it up they are being sent to abuse, just letting you know.

If you don't like being called names, stop being so obnoxious.

Post #965 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:27 pm

Foye wrote:Just wait about news from Rubio, his agent or the Timberwolves.

I hate this written comparison of your dicks KWSN-Men and Genjuro. Really annoying. We'll see what happens in a few days or weeks.

I enjoy getting info from Genjuro and KWSN-Men since they know way more about European game than the regular posters here. I could do without KWSN-Men's personality disorder but you take what you can get.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #966 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 12:46 pm

I'm just happy to have connections to people that follow basketball on the same continent as Rubio feeding information. Genjuro, that Marc (Gasol?) guy, Dejan Bodiroga had a quality post, and KMFDM-man seems to aggravate people, but if nothing else it helps bring out more opposing information to get to the bottom of the issue

Cheers to all

Krapinsky · Post #967 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:35 pm

Kahn interview with Henry Abbott (Truehoop)

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-4 ... Rubio.html

A few things --

Trade offers have died down since he has told teams he has no interest in trading Rubio

Nothing has developed, merely waiting for buyout situation to be resolved

Heavy implication that Rubio has been to MN for a visit

horaceworthy · Post #968 » by **horaceworthy** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:54 pm

Hopefully the implied visit happened while it was sunny and warm and not the week it was dreary and raining.

theGreatRC · Post #969 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:58 pm

I'd say it's a 90% chance he signs with a Euro team for two years, 10% is if he really wanted to play in the NBA and didn't mind playing for free.

When he signs a contract, are the Wolves allowed to add incentives, especially since he won't have much money with his first year and a half with the wolves. I'm talking about like if he guarantees he'll play here, the Wolves can reward him with a car, food, apartment, etc. Or is that violating some sort of rule?

Krapinsky · Post #970 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:10 pm

theGreatRC wrote:I'd say it's a 90% chance he signs with a Euro team for two years, 10% is if he really wanted to play in the NBA and didn't mind playing for free.

Based on?

theGreatRC wrote:When he signs a contract, are the Wolves allowed to add incentives, especially since he won't have much money with his first year and a half with the wolves. I'm talking about like if he guarantees he'll play here, the Wolves can reward him with a car, food, apartment, etc. Or is that violating some sort of rule?

That's definitely not allowed. I'd say that's a 100% chance.

theGreatRC · Post #971 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:11 pm

First quote you quoted was just my opinion, should have added that at the end.

Second quote; I had a feeling it wasn't allowed.

Krapinsky · Post #972 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:14 pm

theGreatRC wrote:First quote you quoted was just my opinion, should have added that at the end.

Yeah, I realize that. I'm wondering what you are basing your opinion on.

theGreatRC · Post #973 » by **theGreatRC** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:22 pm

Money.

Rubio will basically be playing in the NBA for free his first year and a half paying Joventut for his buyout. It makes much more sense for Rubio(And for anyone in the world who would be in this situation) to sign with a Euro team that is willing to pay for most(if not all) of his buyout and then join the NBA when he has no more money problems.

I added the second part of my post because I would have lowered my percentage down to 50% if the Wolves were allowed Ricky a car, food, apartment.

How would Ricky pay rent for his apartment and food and car if he joined the NBA? Will he still have the earnings he made from Joventut? Or would they also go toward his buyout?

AQuintus · Post #974 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:27 pm

The whole money thing doesn't make sense to me. If he comes over immediately, he'll end is rookie contract two years earlier. This will mean that since he'll likely play the same amount of years either way (to 38 at the latest), that he'll be missing out on at least 2 years of max contracts. If he doesn't come over this year, he'll be saving six million in buyouts but be losing 40 million in future money.

PeeDee · Post #975 » by **PeeDee** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:27 pm

Probably the thousands of dollars a month he would get from endorsements.

AQuintus · Post #976 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:28 pm

PeeDee wrote:Probably the thousands of dollars a month he would get from endorsements.

Or the hundreds of thousands he likely has saved up from playing pro ball since he was 14.

PeeDee · Post #977 » by **PeeDee** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:34 pm

Is it legal to save money when you're 14-18? I couldn't help but to spend everything and I didn't even have access to hookers and drugs... just video games and magic cards. Oops, my dork stat just went up by 10.

Post #978 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:37 pm

AQuintus wrote:The whole money thing doesn't make sense to me. If he comes over immediately, he'll end is rookie contract two years earlier. This will mean that since he'll likely play the same amount of years either way (to 38 at the latest), that he'll be missing out on at least 2 years of max contracts. If he doesn't come over this year, he'll be saving six million in buyouts but be losing 40 million in future money.

Yep, and this is exactly why I believe he will be in a Wolves uniform this season.

The rest of us mortals get by paying rent, food, car payments, etc. on a few thousand per month. I don't see why Ricky can't do the same for a year or two. And there is no reason he can't make at least that with even local endorsement.

Krapinsky · Post #979 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 8:40 pm

theGreatRC wrote:Money.

Rubio will basically be playing in the NBA for free his first year and a half paying Joventut for his buyout. It makes much more sense for Rubio(And for anyone in the world who would be in this situation) to sign with a Euro team that is willing to pay for most(if not all) of his buyout and then join the NBA when he has no more money problems.

I added the second part of my post because I would have lowered my percentage down to 50% if the Wolves were allowed Ricky a car, food, apartment.

How would Ricky pay rent for his apartment and food and car if he joined the NBA? Will he still have the earnings he made from Joventut? Or would they also go toward his buyout?

You are right that he will basically be playing for free if his buyout remains what it is. It might be even less than that.

Here's the problem with his NBA salary--- Fegan probably gets 10% of his rookie deal before taxes, then Rubio has to pay taxes out of his end. The money begins disappearing pretty fast. To get out of the buyout with no negotiations -- where Rubio stands now --- I think he has to pay $6 million today. Now Jovenut may allow him to defer that through negotiations, but there's no word yet if the parties have even reached that point. Even if the buyout were reduced to $4 million and Rubio were allowed to pay $2 million this year, and $2 million next year, there's not going to be a lot left (if nay) from his rookie deal after 45% is taken out for Fegan's + taxes. Even with those figures, he'll solely be relying on a marketing deal to live off of -- and don't forget Fegan and the IRS are going to take 45% of that too.

As for another Rubio playing for another euro team, Real Madrid recently said they have little interest in buying him out and signing him since his dream is to go the NBA. Other euro teams, I imagine are unlikely to pay $6 million to have him leave in two years, and in that scenario why wouldn't Ricky just stay at Jovenut considering his salary would be similar, and then hope to renegotiate a buyout next year?

Genjuro · Post #980 » by **Genjuro** » Tue Jul 7, 2009 9:25 pm

Taking into account the two guaranteed years, the 120%, Fegan's salary, the US taxes, the change rate and the $500,000 the Wolves can pay, it all adds around 3 million euros, which is right now only half the amount of the buyout. And I'm not even taking into account the bank rates that Rubio would have to pay in order to get the money up front, or the living expenses.