Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[stevemcqueen1]

nate, IMO, Olynyk will become a solid starter in the NBA. Gonzaga won too many games for him to be a scrub.

Gonzaga always wins a ton of games and they've always put out NBA scrubs since Stockton. That's not a reason to expect Olynyk to be successful.

Unless he's Dirk level good on offense, he's going to have trouble holding down a starting job. I don't think he's that good. He'd be a mid 20s pick at best in a normal year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Don't like Adams at 9, don't like Williams, don't really care who we could get at 26 when you're talking about giving up the #3 pick.

I think Porter alone will end up being far more valuable than all of those pieces combined.

[gambitx777]

I watched Olynyk play quite a bit, and he is not slow. He is a lot quicker and more agile that most think he is. He is sneaky quick and he moves well with or with out the ball in his hands. I do not see where people say he can not defend. The kid averaged about a block and almost 1 steal a game. He is not a bad defender. I think he will end up being a great starting PF, he plays a lot like Dirk, and so what if hes a little older, he is a better player than Zeller and he has better skills and better tools.

[stevemcqueen1]

Olynyk: A 7 footer who doesn't defend or rebound. That's not lottery material. No thanks.

Rebounding isn't his strength but yet his total rebound percentage was equal to Len and higher than Zeller & Bennett.

Olynyk's rebound %'s also were effected by playing next to a pretty strong and proficient rebounder in senior Elias Harris. Gonzaga was in the top 20 best rebounding teams in the NCAA. Harris and Olynyk were responsible for 40% of all rebounds, splitting that % pretty much down the middle.

Interestingly Maryland was top 5, the 2nd best defensive rebounding squad in the nation. And who was their most proficient rebounder? Some tall kid from the Ukraine.

Len has impressive potential as a defensive rebounder. I noticed he's really good at using his body to wall people off the ball and using his length to come away with the contested boards. Big boy rebounds. He was a giant just snatching the ball away from smaller players even if they were in better position.

As he gets stronger and improves his feel, I think he could be a very effective rebounder. Like Valanciunas or maybe (to compare him to yet another big white foreigner) Asik.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

nate, IMO, Olynyk will become a solid starter in the NBA. Gonzaga won too many games for him to be a scrub.

Gonzaga always wins a ton of games and they've always put out NBA scrubs since Stockton. That's not a reason to expect Olynyk to be successful.

Unless he's Dirk level good on offense, he's going to have trouble holding down a starting job. I don't think he's that good. He'd be a mid 20s pick at best in a normal year.

Remember Mehmet Okur? He's the kind of player I envision Olynyk becoming.

Not a sexy pick but with the team the Pistons had he found minutes next to Ben and Rasheed Wallace on the Piston's title team. He started for Jerry Sloan on a couple playoff teams with Utah.

Every effective C is not a powerhouse or a great defender. Olynyk is more of a PF but he will play C , too.

[stevemcqueen1]

nate, IMO, Olynyk will become a solid starter in the NBA. Gonzaga won too many games for him to be a scrub.

Gonzaga always wins a ton of games and they've always put out NBA scrubs since Stockton. That's not a reason to expect Olynyk to be successful.

Unless he's Dirk level good on offense, he's going to have trouble holding down a starting job. I don't think he's that good. He'd be a mid 20s pick at best in a normal year.

Remember Mehmet Okur? He's the kind of player I envision Olynyk becoming.

Not a sexy pick but with the team the Pistons had he found minutes next to Ben and Rasheed Wallace on the Piston's title team. He started for Jerry Sloan on a couple playoff teams with Utah.

Every effective C is not a powerhouse or a great defender. Olynyk is more of a PF but he will play C , too.

Fair enough. But Memo Okur was a pretty powerful player. And I'm not sure you'd want to take a Memo Okur in the lottery today.

If you have a Ben Wallace that you can play next to Olynyk, OK then. You could hide Olynyk on defense then. But there aren't many Ben Wallace's out there and we'd have to go out and get one of our own.

I'd rather take Olynyk than Adams. Probably take him over Plumlee and Dieng too. But I'd rather not be in that situation of having to settle for one of them at all. At 3, we should be able to find someone who has enough two way potential that we won't have to scheme up funky line ups and go out and find specialists to hide him on one end or the other.

And in an ideal world, we'll soon find a big that can be a long term defensive anchor to cover up for other teammates so we can plug these offensive specialists in at the guard or forward spots.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I watched Olynyk play quite a bit, and he is not slow. He is a lot quicker and more agile that most think he is. He is sneaky quick and he moves well with or with out the ball in his hands. I do not see where people say he can not defend. The kid averaged about a block and almost 1 steal a game. He is not a bad defender. I think he will end up being a great starting PF, he plays a lot like Dirk, and so what if hes a little older, he is a better player than Zeller and he has better skills and better tools.

The games I watched him in he never really came across as being overly concerned with asserting himself defensively. One of those players that really come to life when on offense but is sort of casual on defense. With that said, I would still take Olynyk over Len in a second and play him at PF.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gonzaga always wins a ton of games and they've always put out NBA scrubs since Stockton. That's not a reason to expect Olynyk to be successful.

Unless he's Dirk level good on offense, he's going to have trouble holding down a starting job. I don't think he's that good. He'd be a mid 20s pick at best in a normal year.

Remember Mehmet Okur? He's the kind of player I envision Olynyk becoming.

Not a sexy pick but with the team the Pistons had he found minutes next to Ben and Rasheed Wallace on the Piston's title team. He started for Jerry Sloan on a couple playoff teams with Utah.

Every effective C is not a powerhouse or a great defender. Olynyk is more of a PF but he will play C , too.

Fair enough. But Memo Okur was a pretty powerful player. And I'm not sure you'd want to take a Memo Okur in the lottery today.

If you have a Ben Wallace that you can play next to Olynyk, OK then. You could hide Olynyk on defense then. But there aren't many Ben Wallace's out there and we'd have to go out and get one of our own.

I'd rather take Olynyk than Adams. Probably take him over Plumlee and Dieng too. But I'd rather not be in that situation of having to settle for one of them at all. At 3, we should be able to find someone who has enough two way potential that we won't have to scheme up funky line ups and go out and find specialists to hide him on one end or the other.

And in an ideal world, we'll soon find a big that can be a long term defensive anchor to cover up for other teammates so we can plug these offensive specialists in at the guard or forward spots.

I think Olynyk is a trade down pick.

The Wizards could draft Oladipo if Porter is gone at 3, and subsequently trade Oladipo and Vesely for Williams and Olynyk picked 9.

That same trade works for Zeller, Len, McCollum. Or Adams.

[gambitx777]

I watched Olynyk play quite a bit, and he is not slow. He is a lot quicker and more agile that most think he is. He is sneaky quick and he moves well with or with out the ball in his hands. I do not see where people say he can not defend. The kid averaged about a block and almost 1 steal a game. He is not a bad defender. I think he will end up being a great starting PF, he plays a lot like Dirk, and so what if hes a little older, he is a better player than Zeller and he has better skills and better tools.

The games I watched him in he never really came across as being overly concerned with asserting himself defensively. One of those players that really come to life when on offense but is sort of casual on defense. With that said, I would still take Olynyk over Len in a second and play him at PF.

Yeah I'm not saying he is going to be an all defensive player but I think he will end up being a good defender and some one who can hold his own, someone who won't be a liability on defense.

[nate33]

I watched Olynyk play quite a bit, and he is not slow. He is a lot quicker and more agile that most think he is. He is sneaky quick and he moves well with or with out the ball in his hands. I do not see where people say he can not defend. The kid averaged about a block and almost 1 steal a game. He is not a bad defender. I think he will end up being a great starting PF, he plays a lot like Dirk, and so what if hes a little older, he is a better player than Zeller and he has better skills and better tools.

One block per game is horrible for a 7-footer against mediocre college competition.

[nate33]

This talk of playing Olynyk at PF is ridiculous. He's too slow-footed to play PF. Imagine him trying to guard Josh Smith, Carmelo Anthony, it's laughable.

People suggest putting him there because they know his defense is too lousy for a center. But it won't work with him at PF either. Olynyk is a player without a position. He'll score in the NBA, but he'll be a liability at the other end of the floor.

Why are we even talking about him? I hope nobody wants him at #3. And if we make the Williams trade and end up with #9, I'd sooner take McCollum or Zeller.

[popper]

I've been pushing for Porter all along.

But this.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... et-Oladipo


If Oladipo is on the board at 3, and we say we'll give you Oladipo, with Vesely, Singleton and pick #54 for Williams, #9 and #26... I think they do it and I think we should do it.

We get Derrick Williams, the stretch 4 Wall is clamoring for.

And have picks 9, 26, 38.

For example,

We could get Adams, or McCollum, or Zeller at 9.

At 26 we could get Bullock, or Green, or Withey, or Hardaway Jr.

At 38 Murphy, Muscala, Carmichael, Wolters, Iverson


Adams, Hardaway, Wolters plus DWill wouldn't be a bad night.

McCollum, Bullock, Iverson plus DWill wouldn't be a bad night.

I think we should do it as well. My picks would be a bit different than yours but this kind of trade would allow us to upgrade several of the weakest parts of the team all at once. We get an improving young PF capable of starting or Insurance in case Nene goes down. Our bench depth would immediately become a strength instead of a terrible weakness (assuming EG doesn't screw up the picks) and we would shed some dead weight at the same time.

I can understand those that would pass on this deal given their belief that Porter or someone else available at 3 would turn in to an all-star but I'm not as confident as some in this regard. So I'd roll the dice.

[Wizardspride]

nate, IMO, Olynyk will become a solid starter in the NBA. Gonzaga won too many games for him to be a scrub.

Not that I'm necessarily comparing the two but Gonzaga won alot of games with Adam Morrison as well.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I watched Olynyk play quite a bit, and he is not slow. He is a lot quicker and more agile that most think he is. He is sneaky quick and he moves well with or with out the ball in his hands. I do not see where people say he can not defend. The kid averaged about a block and almost 1 steal a game. He is not a bad defender. I think he will end up being a great starting PF, he plays a lot like Dirk, and so what if hes a little older, he is a better player than Zeller and he has better skills and better tools.

One block per game is horrible for a 7-footer against mediocre college competition.

http://kenpom.com/

Ken Pomeroy ranked Gonzaga as having only the 89th toughest schedule.

--Maryland's schedule ranked 96th.

--Mason Plumlee and Duke faced the 7th toughest schedule.

By this am I to surmise Plumlee is great, nate? Or, is pointing at competition one of the same arguments used against Millsap and Faried coming out of college?

I mean Len faced hot garbage this season. He and Olynyk must both suck. Right?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

nate, IMO, Olynyk will become a solid starter in the NBA. Gonzaga won too many games for him to be a scrub.

Not that I'm necessarily comparing the two but Gonzaga won alot of games with Adam Morrison as well.

FYI Morrison, Luke Walton , Sasha Vujacic, Josh Powell and Didier Mbenga each have NBA Championship rings as members of the 2009-2010 Lakers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html

[Wizardspride]

nate, IMO, Olynyk will become a solid starter in the NBA. Gonzaga won too many games for him to be a scrub.

Not that I'm necessarily comparing the two but Gonzaga won alot of games with Adam Morrison as well.

FYI Morrison, Luke Walton , Sasha Vujacic, Josh Powell and Didier Mbenga each have NBA Championship rings as members of the 2009-2010 Lakers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html

That's true.

[AFM]

Yeah and Scalabrine has one too.

[pancakes3]

By this am I to surmise Plumlee is great, nate? Or, is pointing at competition one of the same arguments used against Millsap and Faried coming out of college?

I mean Len faced hot garbage this season. He and Olynyk must both suck. Right?

FWIW I think Plumlee is being underrated and Olynyk/Len overrated. I'd take a bunch of bigs over Olynyk/Len. Namely Adams, Zeller ahead of both, and Dieng/Plumlee ahead of Olynyk.

[truwizfan4evr]

Whats the odds of Len going to either Cavs or wizards?

[AFM]

Let me check my excel sheet.


Ah.

4.873% with a plus minus of 1% and a covariance of 12% standardized to the nearest statistical nomenclature.