2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[mrfantast1c]

Why do yall want Ball? Im not seeing anything special.. please explain.. Fultz looks way better than him, in every facet of the game

[sixers23]

i want ball....i thin he's the best player AND the best fit for this team

i know its opinion but please explain how

[juice4080]

i want ball....i thin he's the best player AND the best fit for this team

i know its opinion but please explain how

he's what i call a low usage player who can have a big impact without having the ball in his hands...in an ideal world embiid is the main scorer and simmons is the main ball handler creating good shots for everyone....everyone else plays a complementary role...lonzo is a great off the ball player who will be able to control the offense when simmons is on the bench...this ensure that philly will have a floor general on the floor for 48 minutes... he's a good shooter despite his funky form and an incredible passer who doesn't need to hold the ball for long to make the right pass...he's the best player i've seen since bird to make what i call "touch passes"..he won't get in the way of embiid and simmons like a fultz would...defensively he will be able to guard 1-3 without problems...bball IQ through the roof

[LordCovington33]

Laker fan here I come in peace, my Question is if you land the first pick who should the 76ers draft?

I think Jayson Tatum will be in the conversation for the #1 pick. So I'd say either Fultz or Tatum or DSJ, although Smith is the hardest to see as a fit. The great thing is that with Ball and Jackson and some other possibilities, we could get two of the three.

My dream draft right now is Markelle Fultz (PHI), Jayson Tatum (LA), TJ Leaf (Okafor trade), Devonte Graham (Det2nd), Furkan Korkmaz (2016).

That said, I have all of the top ten in this draft sandwiched inbetween Brandon Ingram and Jaylen Brown. So, yes, I would take Brandon Ingram for the #1 pick, if that's what you're driving at!

Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Robert Covington, Ersan Ilyasova, Joel Embiid
Tyreke Evans, Andre Igoudala, Jayson Tatum, Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel
Devonte Graham, Timothe Luwawu-C, Furkan Korkmaz, TJ Leaf, Richaun Holmes

I think some of those picks will be packaged. Cannot see us having 4-5 rookies on the roster next year, in addition to our 4 second-year players (Embiid, Simmons, Lu and Saric) from this year.

[Ericb5]

Laker fan here I come in peace, my Question is if you land the first pick who should the 76ers draft?

I think Jayson Tatum will be in the conversation for the #1 pick. So I'd say either Fultz or Tatum or DSJ, although Smith is the hardest to see as a fit. The great thing is that with Ball and Jackson and some other possibilities, we could get two of the three.

My dream draft right now is Markelle Fultz (PHI), Jayson Tatum (LA), TJ Leaf (Okafor trade), Devonte Graham (Det2nd), Furkan Korkmaz (2016).

That said, I have all of the top ten in this draft sandwiched inbetween Brandon Ingram and Jaylen Brown. So, yes, I would take Brandon Ingram for the #1 pick, if that's what you're driving at!

Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Robert Covington, Ersan Ilyasova, Joel Embiid
Tyreke Evans, Andre Igoudala, Jayson Tatum, Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel
Devonte Graham, Timothe Luwawu-C, Furkan Korkmaz, TJ Leaf, Richaun Holmes

I realize that it is early, but I think Ingram would probably go 5th in this draft behind Ball, Fultz, Jackson and Tatum. Then the next 5 or 6 players are all better than Dunn. Simmons would go number 1 I think too.

Ingram I think is comparable to Tatum or Smith as prospects.


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[Unbreakable99]

Laker fan here I come in peace, my Question is if you land the first pick who should the 76ers draft?

I think Jayson Tatum will be in the conversation for the #1 pick. So I'd say either Fultz or Tatum or DSJ, although Smith is the hardest to see as a fit. The great thing is that with Ball and Jackson and some other possibilities, we could get two of the three.

My dream draft right now is Markelle Fultz (PHI), Jayson Tatum (LA), TJ Leaf (Okafor trade), Devonte Graham (Det2nd), Furkan Korkmaz (2016).

That said, I have all of the top ten in this draft sandwiched inbetween Brandon Ingram and Jaylen Brown. So, yes, I would take Brandon Ingram for the #1 pick, if that's what you're driving at!

Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Robert Covington, Ersan Ilyasova, Joel Embiid
Tyreke Evans, Andre Igoudala, Jayson Tatum, Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel
Devonte Graham, Timothe Luwawu-C, Furkan Korkmaz, TJ Leaf, Richaun Holmes

I realize that it is early, but I think Ingram would probably go 5th in this draft behind Ball, Fultz, Jackson and Tatum. Then the next 5 or 6 players are all better than Dunn. Simmons would go number 1 I think too.

Ingram I think is comparable to Tatum or Smith as prospects.


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Agreed.

[Unbreakable99]

Do you guys think Monk will be a better player than CJ McCollum? Do you think he will be a better defender than McCollum? Do you think he can be a better offensive player?

[eagereyez]

Do you guys think Monk will be a better player than CJ McCollum? Do you think he will be a better defender than McCollum? Do you think he can be a better offensive player?

I think he will end up as a better player. It probably won't happen until he hits the prime of his career, so 4-6 years after he's drafted. There are a lot of late bloomers among guards. Guys like Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, etc. Perimeter play is very skill based, so it takes a lot of time to develop.

[Dave321]

I do not see Ball's 3 point shot translating to the NBA and he's only a 65 percent free throw shooter. We need someone who can spread the floor at both guard positions.

[SelfishPlayer]

I do not see Ball's 3 point shot translating to the NBA and he's only a 65 percent free throw shooter. We need someone who can spread the floor at both guard positions.

Kyle Lowry shot 63% FT as a freshman in college. He is currently shooting 85% FT and 45% 3pt in his 11th professional season.

[LloydFree]

I do not see Ball's 3 point shot translating to the NBA and he's only a 65 percent free throw shooter. We need someone who can spread the floor at both guard positions.

I thought that too, until I saw the Kentucky game. Then I saw Ball easily getting shots up on tight defense, against NBA caliber athletes. Kentucky even put 6'9 Edrice Adebayo on him a number of possessions. Most guards won't attempt a shoot over someone that big. He did, and he made the shots.

[Marcus]

Do you guys think Monk will be a better player than CJ McCollum? Do you think he will be a better defender than McCollum? Do you think he can be a better offensive player?

I think he will end up as a better player. It probably won't happen until he hits the prime of his career, so 4-6 years after he's drafted. There are a lot of late bloomers among guards. Guys like Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, etc. Perimeter play is very skill based, so it takes a lot of time to develop.

How was CJ a late bloomer? His first year of health and playing time he flourished. It's not like he developed into this. He was this and just needed a chance to show it.

[Marcus]

I do not see Ball's 3 point shot translating to the NBA and he's only a 65 percent free throw shooter. We need someone who can spread the floor at both guard positions.

Why do you not see his shot translating?

[eagereyez]

Do you guys think Monk will be a better player than CJ McCollum? Do you think he will be a better defender than McCollum? Do you think he can be a better offensive player?

I think he will end up as a better player. It probably won't happen until he hits the prime of his career, so 4-6 years after he's drafted. There are a lot of late bloomers among guards. Guys like Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, etc. Perimeter play is very skill based, so it takes a lot of time to develop.

How was CJ a late bloomer? His first year of health and playing time he flourished. It's not like he developed into this. He was this and just needed a chance to show it.

He was injured for the first month or so into his first year. Was injury free during his second year, but wasn't very good. His breakout season came during his third year, when he was 24. He won most improved player. He wasn't this good coming out of college.

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[PhilasFinest]

I think he will end up as a better player. It probably won't happen until he hits the prime of his career, so 4-6 years after he's drafted. There are a lot of late bloomers among guards. Guys like Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, etc. Perimeter play is very skill based, so it takes a lot of time to develop.

How was CJ a late bloomer? His first year of health and playing time he flourished. It's not like he developed into this. He was this and just needed a chance to show it.

He was injured for the first month or so into his first year. Was injury free during his second year, but wasn't very good. His breakout season came during his third year, when he was 24. He won most improved player. He wasn't this good coming out of college.

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He was essentially a 20+ ppg scorer all 4 years at Lehigh.

Obviously he has improved, but he was a big time scoring guard throughout his entire college career (albeit at Lehigh).

He battled some injuries and had to adjust to the NBA game, but he essentially is now in the NBA what he was in College, a very good shooting/scoring combo guard.

[eyeatoma]

I think he will end up as a better player. It probably won't happen until he hits the prime of his career, so 4-6 years after he's drafted. There are a lot of late bloomers among guards. Guys like Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Lowry, etc. Perimeter play is very skill based, so it takes a lot of time to develop.

How was CJ a late bloomer? His first year of health and playing time he flourished. It's not like he developed into this. He was this and just needed a chance to show it.

He was injured for the first month or so into his first year. Was injury free during his second year, but wasn't very good. His breakout season came during his third year, when he was 24. He won most improved player. He wasn't this good coming out of college.

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Not true... He didn't have the minutes to prove himself in his second year. That was the year they had Lopez, Aldridge, Batum and Wes Matthews...The priority for shots on that team was Lillard, Aldridge, Matthews then Batum. No way he was going to be able to show what he was made of... He barely got any minutes to actually make a difference. He showed some stuff during the playoffs that year (because Matthews tore his acl), and then when all 4 of those players left was when he got his opportunity. People were saying McCollum was this good from the day he was drafted...

[eagereyez]

How was CJ a late bloomer? His first year of health and playing time he flourished. It's not like he developed into this. He was this and just needed a chance to show it.

He was injured for the first month or so into his first year. Was injury free during his second year, but wasn't very good. His breakout season came during his third year, when he was 24. He won most improved player. He wasn't this good coming out of college.

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Not true... He didn't have the minutes to prove himself in his second year. That was the year they had Lopez, Aldridge, Batum and Wes Matthews...The priority for shots on that team was Lillard, Aldridge, Matthews then Batum. No way he was going to be able to show what he was made of... He barely got any minutes to actually make a difference. He showed some stuff during the playoffs that year (because Matthews tore his acl), and then when all 4 of those players was when he got his opportunity. People were saying McCollum was this good from the day he was drafted...

His scoring efficiency went up between his second and third years, despite a much higher usage rate and minute total. Also had a big leap in RPM. He improved, hence why he won MIP. If he was this good his second year, POR would have played him over Matthews and Batum.

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[smittybanton]

I think Jayson Tatum will be in the conversation for the #1 pick. So I'd say either Fultz or Tatum or DSJ, although Smith is the hardest to see as a fit. The great thing is that with Ball and Jackson and some other possibilities, we could get two of the three.

My dream draft right now is Markelle Fultz (PHI), Jayson Tatum (LA), TJ Leaf (Okafor trade), Devonte Graham (Det2nd), Furkan Korkmaz (2016).

That said, I have all of the top ten in this draft sandwiched inbetween Brandon Ingram and Jaylen Brown. So, yes, I would take Brandon Ingram for the #1 pick, if that's what you're driving at!

Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Robert Covington, Ersan Ilyasova, Joel Embiid
Tyreke Evans, Andre Igoudala, Jayson Tatum, Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel
Devonte Graham, Timothe Luwawu-C, Furkan Korkmaz, TJ Leaf, Richaun Holmes

I realize that it is early, but I think Ingram would probably go 5th in this draft behind Ball, Fultz, Jackson and Tatum. Then the next 5 or 6 players are all better than Dunn. Simmons would go number 1 I think too.

Ingram I think is comparable to Tatum or Smith as prospects.


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Agreed.

The only knock I have on Smith is the injuries. Otherwise, I'd agree there.

Don't get me wrong. Love all four of those guys. Again, I would have all of them over Kris Dunn. So the difference between them and Ingram is somewhat slight, in my opinion. But there are differences. Ingram is longer, leaner, a better ballhandler and more efficient than any of the four. He has all those things over Josh Jackson and has better shooting touch.

He is also six months younger than Josh Jackson. At 6'10, having just turned 19, he has started at point guard for an NBA team. As skinny as he is, he shouldn't even be on the court for getting abused by grown men, but there he is. The Durant comparisons were always ridiculous. However, he will be as good or better than Paul George.

I'd do a lot to have Simmons, Ingram and Embiid for the next ten years.

Ingram's fit with Ben is exquisite! He can be a secondary ballhandler to Ben Simmons, yet plays without the ball so efficiently, allowing Simmons and Embiid to dominate the rock. Simmons and Embiid in the pick and roll, with Ingram and Covington on the wings? [Yes, Tatum would be similarly good in this role, except I feel Ingram is a better playmaker, on top of having greater defensive potential.]

How about the Sixers get all of them? If the Sixers came off with Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum, I'd give the Lakers anything and everything left for Ingram -- Noel, Okafor, Saric, Covington, Korkmaz, future draft picks...whatever. The Lakers need Noel, then trade Okafor to whomever and give the proceeds to LA? The Sixers have way more assets than roster spots and have to make a James Harden-move at some point. Get Ingram before he blows up.

Ben Simmons, Markelle Fultz, Jayson Tatum, Brandon Ingram, Joel Embiid??? Add $50M worth of vets around the remaining assets, and let's go.

In the end, I really love Tatum. I actually prefer him to Jabari Parker. I like Fultz, but I have questions about his righthandedness and fit with Simmons. Love Ball, but Ingram can play outside the arc and inside. But I already thought Ingram would be a Paul George level players, and he's even better than I thought.

[smittybanton]

Do you guys think Monk will be a better player than CJ McCollum? Do you think he will be a better defender than McCollum? Do you think he can be a better offensive player?

Malik Monk scares me a little. Yes. The shot is real. The speed and athleticism is real.

However, I don't see much creativity as a ballhandler.

There's a play against UCLA where he goes open court against Lonzo Ball, and, having basically no ideas, got his shot thrown easily by Ball. It wasn't just that he blocked it. Ball is actually a good shot blocker (but doesn't like to body up). It was just how easy Ball read the play and how little difficulty Monk gave him. The lack of creative ballhandling is what distinguishes him from Jamal Murray last year, I think.

Forgive me, forgive me, forgive me, I know he's much better than this guy I'm about to mention, but there's just too much Isaiah Canaan in his game.

[smittybanton]

i want ball....i thin he's the best player AND the best fit for this team

i know its opinion but please explain how

he's what i call a low usage player who can have a big impact without having the ball in his hands...in an ideal world embiid is the main scorer and simmons is the main ball handler creating good shots for everyone....everyone else plays a complementary role...lonzo is a great off the ball player who will be able to control the offense when simmons is on the bench...this ensure that philly will have a floor general on the floor for 48 minutes... he's a good shooter despite his funky form and an incredible passer who doesn't need to hold the ball for long to make the right pass...he's the best player i've seen since bird to make what i call "touch passes"..he won't get in the way of embiid and simmons like a fultz would...defensively he will be able to guard 1-3 without problems...bball IQ through the roof

Ugh, you're right! Now I want Ball and Tatum. Maybe. I still think Fultz knack for getting to the rim might still be the difference for me.

When Ben comes back from injury, I'm going to enjoy everyday leading up to this year's draft!

I mean, with all bigs having to commit to Embiid, who's going to stop any of Fultz, Ball, DSJ, Jackson or Tatum from getting to the rack after they've beaten their man? I want any two of those five.