Draft Discussion Part 3

[bwgood77]

It doesn't matter. Anyone but Collins necessitates a move has to be made to clear up a logjam. My problem with Isaac is that everything about him seems to be an unknown. We're banking on his measurables and the idea that his defense can translate. I said several months ago the thought of Isaac and Bender switching together on the perimeter to the interior seamlessly would be very interesting. That said there's little to no chance Watson would play them together. Also if you select Isaac you have to play Bender at C or you have to trade him.

I do think Isaac has the biggest bust potential of the top 10. This would be a swing for the fences type pick that you desperately hope pans out 3 years from now.

You don't have to trade anyone. These guys are all young and raw and chances are, all of our prospects might not pan out. You don't trade one until you know which ones will. If they all do, great. Depth isn't bad. You need 8-10 guys in the rotation. There are always injuries.

This "we have to move someone if we draft player X" is kind of a ridiculous notion for a team that won 24 games.

I should have said we would need to trade someone only if we want them to get meaningful playing time. Silly me. We can give them the Bender treatment. That worked well last year.

I've mentioned before this is what I do.. have 3 guys in Chriss, Bender and Isaac who could all switch onto 3s-5s, hit 3s, block shots, etc....then we have one traditional C and one traditional 3 in Warren and with those 5 they could average 29 minutes a game between the 3-5 spots...the traditional C probably more like 20-25 mpg and a some others a bit more. I think that would be perfect for today's nba.

And of course you'll always have injuries and need solid depth anyway.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You don't have to trade anyone. These guys are all young and raw and chances are, all of our prospects might not pan out. You don't trade one until you know which ones will. If they all do, great. Depth isn't bad. You need 8-10 guys in the rotation. There are always injuries.

This "we have to move someone if we draft player X" is kind of a ridiculous notion for a team that won 24 games.

I should have said we would need to trade someone only if we want them to get meaningful playing time. Silly me. We can give them the Bender treatment. That worked well last year.

I've mentioned before this is what I do.. have 3 guys in Chriss, Bender and Isaac who could all switch onto 3s-5s, hit 3s, block shots, etc....then we have one traditional C and one traditional 3 in Warren and with those 5 they could average 29 minutes a game between the 3-5 positions...the traditional C probably more like 20-25 mpg and a some others a bit more. I think that would be perfect for today's nba.

And of course you'll always have injuries and need solid depth anyway.

It is different and interesting. And these days, we're in need of creative ideas if we're going to compete with the Warriors ever. Even five years from now, they could still be on top.

Having three long perimeter defenders could be one way of reducing their advantage. But Ulis is not the ideal defender for one Stephen Curry.

[NTB]

You don't have to trade anyone. These guys are all young and raw and chances are, all of our prospects might not pan out. You don't trade one until you know which ones will. If they all do, great. Depth isn't bad. You need 8-10 guys in the rotation. There are always injuries.

This "we have to move someone if we draft player X" is kind of a ridiculous notion for a team that won 24 games.

I should have said we would need to trade someone only if we want them to get meaningful playing time. Silly me. We can give them the Bender treatment. That worked well last year.

I've mentioned before this is what I do.. have 3 guys in Chriss, Bender and Isaac who could all switch onto 3s-5s, hit 3s, block shots, etc....then we have one traditional C and one traditional 3 in Warren and with those 5 they could average 29 minutes a game...the traditional C probably more like 20-25 mpg and a some others a bit more. I think that would be perfect for today's nba.

And of course you'll always have injuries and need solid depth anyway.

This is my dream scenario and the reason I want Isaac.

[bwgood77]

I should have said we would need to trade someone only if we want them to get meaningful playing time. Silly me. We can give them the Bender treatment. That worked well last year.

I've mentioned before this is what I do.. have 3 guys in Chriss, Bender and Isaac who could all switch onto 3s-5s, hit 3s, block shots, etc....then we have one traditional C and one traditional 3 in Warren and with those 5 they could average 29 minutes a game between the 3-5 positions...the traditional C probably more like 20-25 mpg and a some others a bit more. I think that would be perfect for today's nba.

And of course you'll always have injuries and need solid depth anyway.

It is different and interesting. And these days, we're in need of creative ideas if we're going to compete with the Warriors ever. Even five years from now, they could still be on top.

Having three long perimeter defenders could be one way of reducing their advantage. But Ulis is not the ideal defender for one Stephen Curry.

No one really stops him very well, but the more long guys that can switch the better. I don't imagine we really compete with them any time soon anyway. Ulis is feisty though and if Zaza was playing we could double team him or anyone else.

[Saberestar]

To me there are not more rules for draft's night than this one:
If Josh Jackson is not available get Isaac.

I want one of these two players. Tatum is a very good player too, but his defense is not that great.

[JMac1]

I'm confused why everyone wants Isaac. I don't know a lick of college ball so please help me understand. The Suns drafted Chriss and Bender last season.

Tatum is the most obvious pick.


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If McD believes that Isaac can play the 3 and shoots at least 37% from three, can attack the rim on close outs, rebound and switch everything the. He would be a good pick. That's his potential.

[Saberestar]

Former Florida State Seminoles forward Jonathan Isaac will not workout for teams picking outside of the top four of the 2017 NBA draft, according to ESPN Minnesota’s Darren Wolfson.

“I know he's worked out for the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics,” Wolfson said on the June 12 episode of The Scoop podcast. “I know some teams below the [Minnesota Timberwolves] are trying to get some face time with Isaac. They are swinging and missing so far.

“Jonathan Isaac will only workout for teams in the top four,” he followed in the final five minutes of the June 13 show.

Isaac has worked out with the Suns twice so far, becoming the first prospect to visit a team a second time since workouts began.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15800740/jonathan-isaac-nba-draft-workout-rumor-suns-celtics-magic

We have probably given a promise to Isaac. I remember that McDonough gave TJ a promise three years ago.

[Frank Lee]

To me there are not more rules for draft's night than this one:
If Josh Jackson is not available get Isaac.

.......

That very well may be the draft strategy McD has as plan A, as it seems a likely scenario one of those cats will be available. But I think there still will be a move involving TJ/miapick/? to round out the day. McD will be speed dialing. There are some players (current) that will be on the move via trade and free agency. McDog will sniff out a bargain.

Would anyone be surprised if McD selects someone at 4.... for some other team?

[Skin]

Interesting that you guys are loving Isaac as a SF. Is that where you see his best position?

[NTB]

To me there are not more rules for draft's night than this one:
If Josh Jackson is not available get Isaac.

.......

Would anyone be surprised if McD selects someone at 4.... for some other team?

Lol it would be so scary and heartbreaking. Because I'm planning on getting hyped whenever and whoever we pick.

[NTB]

Interesting that you guys are loving Isaac as a SF. Is that where you see his best position?

If we didn't have Bender, we would envision him as a stretch PF I think. But I can easily see Isaac, Bender and Chriss playing together regardless of which player is SF.

[Saberestar]

To me there are not more rules for draft's night than this one:
If Josh Jackson is not available get Isaac.

.......

That very well may be the draft strategy McD has as plan A, as it seems a likely scenario one of those cats will be available. But I think there still will be a move involving TJ/miapick/? to round out the day. McD will be speed dialing. There are some players (current) that will be on the move via trade and free agency. McDog will sniff out a bargain.

Would anyone be surprised if McD selects someone at 4.... for some other team?

I would be very surprised.
I think that Sarver and McDonough are fine with a young team, we can add a really good prospects at #4.
Warren is a building block, I don't expect any trade involving anyone from our young core (Ulis, Booker, Warren,Bender and Chriss).

[WeekapaugGroove]

Interesting that you guys are loving Isaac as a SF. Is that where you see his best position?

Positions are an antiquated concept

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[Damkac]

Now I don't know if I want Isaac or Tatum. I will be happy with either. I'm not as high on JJ as most. I fear his shot will limit him.

[BobbieL]

Former Florida State Seminoles forward Jonathan Isaac will not workout for teams picking outside of the top four of the 2017 NBA draft, according to ESPN Minnesota’s Darren Wolfson.

“I know he's worked out for the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics,” Wolfson said on the June 12 episode of The Scoop podcast. “I know some teams below the [Minnesota Timberwolves] are trying to get some face time with Isaac. They are swinging and missing so far.

“Jonathan Isaac will only workout for teams in the top four,” he followed in the final five minutes of the June 13 show.

Isaac has worked out with the Suns twice so far, becoming the first prospect to visit a team a second time since workouts began.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15800740/jonathan-isaac-nba-draft-workout-rumor-suns-celtics-magic

We have probably given a promise to Isaac. I remember that McDonough gave TJ a promise three years ago.

McDonough should not be giving any promises . Could be too much volatility in the top 3 - you never know who will be there

[mgalibov]

Now I don't know if I want Isaac or Tatum. I will be happy with either. I'm not as high on JJ as most. I fear his shot will limit him.

Still hoping Ball falls to us, now would be the optimal time to trade Bledsoe as much as I love the guy. Tatum is essentially as Iso as D Book so I see their styles clashing. Isaac would be a nice add as well as JJ primarily for their Defense more than anything. I think there is high potential for some second round steals I.E Josh Hart, Nigel Williams Goss and my favorite Sindarius Thornwell. He's a diamond in the rough IMO

[RaisingArizona]

Former Florida State Seminoles forward Jonathan Isaac will not workout for teams picking outside of the top four of the 2017 NBA draft, according to ESPN Minnesota’s Darren Wolfson.

“I know he's worked out for the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics,” Wolfson said on the June 12 episode of The Scoop podcast. “I know some teams below the [Minnesota Timberwolves] are trying to get some face time with Isaac. They are swinging and missing so far.

“Jonathan Isaac will only workout for teams in the top four,” he followed in the final five minutes of the June 13 show.

Isaac has worked out with the Suns twice so far, becoming the first prospect to visit a team a second time since workouts began.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15800740/jonathan-isaac-nba-draft-workout-rumor-suns-celtics-magic

We have probably given a promise to Isaac. I remember that McDonough gave TJ a promise three years ago.

McDonough should not be giving any promises . Could be too much volatility in the top 3 - you never know who will be there

Most Mock's I've seen go:
1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. JJ

I think there's a consensus at who we will have first dibs at. Could be wrong, though.

[RunSunRun]

I'm really really hoping those rumors of moving our 4th pick for the Kings 5th and 10th pan out. Praying that they love someone who is available at 4 that we don't have as high like Fox.

[bwgood77]

Former Florida State Seminoles forward Jonathan Isaac will not workout for teams picking outside of the top four of the 2017 NBA draft, according to ESPN Minnesota’s Darren Wolfson.

“I know he's worked out for the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics,” Wolfson said on the June 12 episode of The Scoop podcast. “I know some teams below the [Minnesota Timberwolves] are trying to get some face time with Isaac. They are swinging and missing so far.

“Jonathan Isaac will only workout for teams in the top four,” he followed in the final five minutes of the June 13 show.

Isaac has worked out with the Suns twice so far, becoming the first prospect to visit a team a second time since workouts began.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15800740/jonathan-isaac-nba-draft-workout-rumor-suns-celtics-magic

We have probably given a promise to Isaac. I remember that McDonough gave TJ a promise three years ago.

McDonough should not be giving any promises . Could be too much volatility in the top 3 - you never know who will be there

Well if he did give him a promise it might mean he is his favorite prospect and he is atop his board. But if someone else really liked him anyway (like Orlando enough to take him at 3) they could maybe trade with Philly for their pick. You'd think if McD did that he'd have a pretty good idea who is going 1,2 and 3. Who knows really what's going on?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm really really hoping those rumors of moving our 4th pick for the Kings 5th and 10th pan out. Praying that they love someone who is available at 4 that we don't have as high like Fox.

Can't happen. Imagine how pissed you be as a SAC fan.