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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#981 » by BullChit » Tue Feb 4, 2020 11:31 pm

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Which is hilarious because Jim Boylin doesn't fit any definition of with modern day basketball and they hired him...

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What’s also hilarious is Fred was asked to make a modern 3P offense with Noah, Taj, 35yo Pau, Jimmy, injured Rose, old Kirk/Brooks, bust Doug/Snell.... then he was giving a clean slate with an old Rondo and even older Wade... Then as soon as the young shooter/modern players were all healthy enough to play together (Zach and Lauri, mainly), and Arci kinda emerged as a plausible pg option... he was fired and Boylen took them all the way back old-school.

Opposite Day is every day at the UC.

As per Pax, the Bulls offense is fine under Boylen. They are 9th in 3 pt attempts this year. They were 28th last year. It is not the 3 pt attempts though...how they are generating it and who is executing it which is the problem.

Honestly, it is so tough to analyze anything on this team because they are bad in everything they do. We don't know what is the root cause. We just start pointing fingers at our favorite targets.


Basically the FO thinks they are playing 4D chess and Boylin thinks he is teaching/developing players to play regular chess but it's actually Shoots and Ladders.

Meanwhile the players are all forced to play Twister.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#982 » by jc23 » Tue Feb 4, 2020 11:36 pm

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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#983 » by MrSparkle » Tue Feb 4, 2020 11:50 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:
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BullChit wrote:
Which is hilarious because Jim Boylin doesn't fit any definition of with modern day basketball and they hired him...

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What’s also hilarious is Fred was asked to make a modern 3P offense with Noah, Taj, 35yo Pau, Jimmy, injured Rose, old Kirk/Brooks, bust Doug/Snell.... then he was giving a clean slate with an old Rondo and even older Wade... Then as soon as the young shooter/modern players were all healthy enough to play together (Zach and Lauri, mainly), and Arci kinda emerged as a plausible pg option... he was fired and Boylen took them all the way back old-school.

Opposite Day is every day at the UC.

As per Pax, the Bulls offense is fine under Boylen. They are 9th in 3 pt attempts this year. They were 28th last year. It is not the 3 pt attempts though...how they are generating it and who is executing it which is the problem.

Honestly, it is so tough to analyze anything on this team because they are bad in everything they do. We don't know what is the root cause. We just start pointing fingers at our favorite targets.


Right- well the way I see it, is they got the 3PAs part... kinda right... in lieu of actual offensive sets. All energy is being burned on defense, which is the old-school part.

It reminds me of of the 02 Pistons, pre-Rasheed/Prince/Rip where they played their asses off on defense and did whatever the hell worked on offense (which in those days was post-up and midrange basketball). However they had a guy named Rick Carlisle; in the end, he proved he knew how to run an offense. Just wasn't great when Chucky Atkins and Michael Curry were your starting backcourt, and Ben Wallace was your center.

Honestly, this team should be posting up and playing midrange basketball. The sad truth when your pillars are two big men (and yes, I know Lauri has proven to not be a "big man", yet he still still a big man, regardless of the Paxsion catch-22s that occur regularly modern in Bulls history). BoyPax have created a pseudo 42 win team in 2002.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#984 » by dice » Wed Feb 5, 2020 12:09 am

rookies w/ positive VORP:

1.0 clarke
0.8 hayes
0.8 thybulle (top 20 in steals despite only 20 mpg - also blocking a lot of shots from SG position)

0.4 gafford
0.3 porter
0.3 g williams
0.3 morant
0.3 washington
0.2 c johnson
0.1 claxton
0.1 zion
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#985 » by Ice Man » Wed Feb 5, 2020 4:36 am

Gafford has been really good at his job. He knows what he is about -- rim protection, offensive rebounding, lobs and put backs. It's not the most complicated of roles, but there are always places in the NBA for guys who can do those things well.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#986 » by Ice Man » Wed Feb 5, 2020 4:43 am

The evolution of catch-and-shoot. For each player, I provide the amount of 3s taken per 36 in his highest-volume year, along with his shooting percentage -

Steve Kerr, 2003 (his final year) - 4.7, 40%
Ray Allen, 2006 - 7.8, 41%
Klay Thompson, 2016 - 8.8, 43%
Duncan Robinson, 2020 -9.7, 44%R
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Post#987 » by logical_art » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:24 am

Ice Man wrote:Gafford has been really good at his job. He knows what he is about -- rim protection, offensive rebounding, lobs and put backs. It's not the most complicated of roles, but there are always places in the NBA for guys who can do those things well.


He just needs to improve his rebounding. He's been pretty weak there.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#988 » by d boy gentleman » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:25 am

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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#989 » by AKfanatic » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:40 am

I like Covington, but the Rockets look like they’re coming to terms that they can’t compete with the mess they’ve built. Their D is going to be laughably bad without Capela and adding a first from Houston... wtf.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#990 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:47 am

AKfanatic wrote:I like Covington, but the Rockets look like they’re coming to terms that they can’t compete with the mess they’ve built. Their D is going to be laughably bad without Capela and adding a first from Houston... wtf.


I think they have something lined up. I expect a waived C like a Noah type that can still play.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#991 » by jc23 » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:48 am

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Atlanta should easily leap frog Chicago next season. Then you have KD and Wall coming back as well.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#992 » by AKfanatic » Wed Feb 5, 2020 5:51 am

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AKfanatic wrote:I like Covington, but the Rockets look like they’re coming to terms that they can’t compete with the mess they’ve built. Their D is going to be laughably bad without Capela and adding a first from Houston... wtf.


I think they have something lined up. I expect a waived C like a Noah type that can still play.


I’d think so, but the trade itself doesn’t look like a good one for the Rockets.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#993 » by dumbell78 » Wed Feb 5, 2020 6:08 am

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AKfanatic wrote:I like Covington, but the Rockets look like they’re coming to terms that they can’t compete with the mess they’ve built. Their D is going to be laughably bad without Capela and adding a first from Houston... wtf.


I think they have something lined up. I expect a waived C like a Noah type that can still play.


I’d think so, but the trade itself doesn’t look like a good one for the Rockets.


I actually like the risk. They have two roster spots open now and I think are under the tax as well. Also Covington fits in perfectly.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#994 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Wed Feb 5, 2020 6:08 am

Ice Man wrote:Sixers fans sound a lot like we did in 2106. Don't worry, because the team is coasting and has a "extra gear" for the playoff. Actually, we weren't any better in the playoffs than in the regular season.

As has been often written, Simmons and Embiid are less than the sum of their parts, and Brand didn't do well in building a team around him. Riley realized that with Butler and an emerging Bam, he needed shooters, shooters, shooters. Brand needed them even more and didn't do that.

They should kept Jimmy! I knew it was a mistake to have a Harris - Horford - Embiid frontcourt.. As Harris is almost more of a PF now, Horford alnos more of a C, Embiid is hot and cold a lot. Josh and Simmons as backcourt doesnt sound that dangerous as well. Brand f.... up, as they were close last year. Also losing Redick, another mistake.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#995 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Wed Feb 5, 2020 6:13 am

Rockets :banghead: unless they have something in the works too.. Their defense was bad even before, now will be even worse,despite Bell aint that bad C, but still. Covington for certainly aint a gamechanger/playoffs. Just odd move to go away from Capela on such a good contract.

Im happy for Atlanta dow, good young core and 1st lineup of Young, Huerter, Hunter, Collins, Capela is legit for next season playoff hunt.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#996 » by AKfanatic » Wed Feb 5, 2020 6:15 am

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AKfanatic wrote:
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I think they have something lined up. I expect a waived C like a Noah type that can still play.


I’d think so, but the trade itself doesn’t look like a good one for the Rockets.


I actually like the risk. They have two roster spots open now and I think are under the tax as well. Also Covington fits in perfectly.


Covington Is a really good fit, I like him a lot as a player... guess we’ll have to see for their next move(s). Noah could be good, he was solid for Memphis... will be interesting to see what they do next.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#997 » by Chi town » Wed Feb 5, 2020 6:23 am

AKfanatic wrote:
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I’d think so, but the trade itself doesn’t look like a good one for the Rockets.


I actually like the risk. They have two roster spots open now and I think are under the tax as well. Also Covington fits in perfectly.


Covington Is a really good fit, I like him a lot as a player... guess we’ll have to see for their next move(s). Noah could be good, he was solid for Memphis... will be interesting to see what they do next.


Per Woj. They got Jordan Bell too.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#998 » by dice » Wed Feb 5, 2020 7:48 am

AKfanatic wrote:I like Covington, but the Rockets look like they’re coming to terms that they can’t compete with the mess they’ve built. Their D is going to be laughably bad without Capela and adding a first from Houston... wtf.

they're about as good as they were last year so far. both in terms of team record and their average team defense. and statistically covington has actually been a better defender than capela. career DRPM:

2.61 covington
1.91 capela

covington will be replacing a mediocre defender in danuel house in the starting lineup, so as long as they replace w/ a mediocre defender at the 5 spot they should actually improve defensively. plus i think capela is banged up. the only issue in my mind is that capela was the kind of rim running center that was perfect playing off harden offensively
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#999 » by Dan Z » Wed Feb 5, 2020 8:15 am

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Ice Man wrote:Sixers fans sound a lot like we did in 2106. Don't worry, because the team is coasting and has a "extra gear" for the playoff. Actually, we weren't any better in the playoffs than in the regular season.

As has been often written, Simmons and Embiid are less than the sum of their parts, and Brand didn't do well in building a team around him. Riley realized that with Butler and an emerging Bam, he needed shooters, shooters, shooters. Brand needed them even more and didn't do that.

They should kept Jimmy! I knew it was a mistake to have a Harris - Horford - Embiid frontcourt.. As Harris is almost more of a PF now, Horford alnos more of a C, Embiid is hot and cold a lot. Josh and Simmons as backcourt doesnt sound that dangerous as well. Brand f.... up, as they were close last year. Also losing Redick, another mistake.


Trading Landry Shamet plus 4 draft picks for Tobias Harris was never a good idea. He's a good player, but then they also had to extend him (which they did 5 years/180 million). Not a good use of assets IMO.
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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 Season #2 

Post#1000 » by Ice Man » Wed Feb 5, 2020 9:52 am

Dan Z wrote:Trading Landry Shamet plus 4 draft picks for Tobias Harris was never a good idea. He's a good player, but then they also had to extend him (which they did 5 years/180 million). Not a good use of assets IMO.


Paying $36 million per year for half a decade to a guy who at his peak age is 16 PER with meh defense is GM suicide. Barring a hot playoff run for Philly, Elton will not be remembered fondly.

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