2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[KGdaBom]

Any 18 year old reinventing their shot is trouble, shooting wise.

That must be why KGdaBom hates Ball so much. He reinvented his shooting form at the same age Brandon Clarke did. And we all know how much he hated Clarke, and how much Clarke busted as a rookie.

Clarke was going to be quite good regardless. He slightly exceeded my high expectations. His improvement on his shooting stroke from both the line and 3 point line were remarkable. Odds of Ball turning things around significantly I would put at 5%. He's probably been shooting like that since he was 2.
If that's his new improved shooting form in that video he might as well give up.

[KGdaBom]

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He changed his shooting from from last year. His old shot was lower, but had more follow-through. Now his off hand flips backwards towards his head, must be his new shooting motion.

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Any 18 year old reinventing their shot is trouble, shooting wise.

He's shooting it from his chin or lower.

[KGdaBom]

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Yean Ball and Haliburton shots are hideous looking ( Haliburton’s go in more though) I am torn because those two do have some star potential but also major Fultz vibes.

if Wolves need a future pg I am leaning towards Ty Terry. Not the rebounding of Ball or defensive potential of Haliburton but Terry’s shot is so much better.

I'm good with Ty Terry at 17. If he's not available at 17 I won't lose any sleep over it.

[jpatrick]

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He changed his shooting from from last year. His old shot was lower, but had more follow-through. Now his off hand flips backwards towards his head, must be his new shooting motion.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MajesticHelplessBug-mobile.mp4

Any 18 year old reinventing their shot is trouble, shooting wise.

He's shooting it from his chin or lower.

I like Ball a lot and when I read Jon G’s statement that his shot was smooth, I was hoping for much more improvement. Still looks awful. I also was hoping for more work on his body. Still looks like no real muscle definition.

[Neeva]

Any 18 year old reinventing their shot is trouble, shooting wise.

That must be why KGdaBom hates Ball so much. He reinvented his shooting form at the same age Brandon Clarke did. And we all know how much he hated Clarke, and how much Clarke busted as a rookie.

Clarke was going to be quite good regardless. He slightly exceeded my high expectations. His improvement on his shooting stroke from both the line and 3 point line were remarkable. Odds of Ball turning things around significantly I would put at 5%. He's probably been shooting like that since he was 2.
If that's his new improved shooting form in that video he might as well give up.

What you saw out of clarke his rookie season is what you will get the rest of his career, he’s same age as Kat and Dlo.

[KGdaBom]

That must be why KGdaBom hates Ball so much. He reinvented his shooting form at the same age Brandon Clarke did. And we all know how much he hated Clarke, and how much Clarke busted as a rookie.

Clarke was going to be quite good regardless. He slightly exceeded my high expectations. His improvement on his shooting stroke from both the line and 3 point line were remarkable. Odds of Ball turning things around significantly I would put at 5%. He's probably been shooting like that since he was 2.
If that's his new improved shooting form in that video he might as well give up.

What you saw out of clarke his rookie season is what you will get the rest of his career, he’s same age as Kat and Dlo.

I would be just fine with what I saw out of Clarke his rookie year. Wish we had him and continuing his rookie year was a guarantee.

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[KGdaBom]

I know that many intelligent basketball minds think that Ball is the best prospect in this draft. Are they all crazy or is it just me being crazy thinking they're crazy? It's driving me insane.

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I know that many intelligent basketball minds think that Ball is the best prospect in this draft. Are they all crazy or is it just me being crazy thinking they're crazy? It's driving me insane.

Actually he's the best prospect out of this draft

[Nick K]

According to a Western Conference executive, word around the league is Minnesota isn't leaning one way at No. 1, sounds "confused" and feels pressure after "messing up last year by trading for Jarrett Culver."

The belief is that Minnesota's priority is to trade, realistically down the board assuming an established star won't become available. If the Wolves stick at No. 1, multiple sources say they'd bet on LaMelo Ball having the edge over Anthony Edwards.

Rival scouts have mentioned fit issues with Ball in Minnesota, specifically his ability to play alongside other ball-dominant players and whether a team's defense featuring Ball, D'Angelo Russell and Karl-Anthony Towns has any chance in a seven-game series against Western Conference opponents.

But Ball also has a chunk of support as the draft's top overall prospect, and with president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas still unsure about the makeup of his team (Russell and Towns have played one game together), fit might not factor into Minnesota's decision.

On the other hand, there are trade-down targets who do fit the roster on paper, including Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell and Patrick Williams. Rosas could even make a case for Obi Toppin if he was willing to go all-in with offense.

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I think this is phoney baloney. I don't believe a word of it. It just smells rotten to me.

[Nick K]

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From the same article on Anthony Edwards

Concern with Anthony Edwards for a top pick

Teams are worried about Edwards' drive and enthusiasm for winning, and according to a source, the Golden State Warriors aren't a likely landing spot due to these concerns.

Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC.

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven't won at any level, and that he even forgets plays and actions.

He could still get consideration at No. 1 from Minnesota, but most seem to think the Wolves will favor Ball, who should also generate more interest from teams looking to trade up, given his superior star power and potential to transform a struggling team's identity with his flashy playmaking and exciting pace.

Meanwhile, the more we ask around about Edwards, the more we hear concern about his professionalism and ability to impact winning, even if his scoring production carries over.

While a trade could throw off any predraft predictions, the likelihood of Edwards dropping to No. 3 seems to have increased. The Charlotte Hornets would then have a tough call, particularly if James Wiseman is still on the board.

It sounds to me like it came from a team desperate for Edwards to drop to them.

[KGdaBom]

I know that many intelligent basketball minds think that Ball is the best prospect in this draft. Are they all crazy or is it just me being crazy thinking they're crazy? It's driving me insane.

Actually he's the best prospect out of this draft

Some supposedly intelligent basketball minds agree with you.

[jpatrick]

I know that many intelligent basketball minds think that Ball is the best prospect in this draft. Are they all crazy or is it just me being crazy thinking they're crazy? It's driving me insane.

I think it’s because Ball is the rare product at the top of this draft that if everything clicks, he could be a superstar. He has maybe the only elite skill, his passing, of any prospect. He has elite size for his position and once his body develops, he will probably be a triple double machine. He also was one of the top steals men in Australia and, unlike Rubio, he’s a willing shooter. Just needs to shoot/score more efficiently.

The new video, while a very low release, does look like he now shoots with one hand with more consistent mechanics. Trey Young also has a very low shot and he does okay.

The problem is he has such a low floor. If he never shoots efficiently and his defense doesn’t improve, both certainly possible, does he help you win? Plus, I really question the fit here.

[Neeva]

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From the same article on Anthony Edwards

Concern with Anthony Edwards for a top pick

Teams are worried about Edwards' drive and enthusiasm for winning, and according to a source, the Golden State Warriors aren't a likely landing spot due to these concerns.

Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC.

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven't won at any level, and that he even forgets plays and actions.

He could still get consideration at No. 1 from Minnesota, but most seem to think the Wolves will favor Ball, who should also generate more interest from teams looking to trade up, given his superior star power and potential to transform a struggling team's identity with his flashy playmaking and exciting pace.

Meanwhile, the more we ask around about Edwards, the more we hear concern about his professionalism and ability to impact winning, even if his scoring production carries over.

While a trade could throw off any predraft predictions, the likelihood of Edwards dropping to No. 3 seems to have increased. The Charlotte Hornets would then have a tough call, particularly if James Wiseman is still on the board.

It sounds to me like it came from a team desperate for Edwards to drop to them.

Yep, Bull, bull, bulls.

[KGdaBom]

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So which is it? He's changed and looking smooth or he has no interest in changing.

[KGdaBom]

I know that many intelligent basketball minds think that Ball is the best prospect in this draft. Are they all crazy or is it just me being crazy thinking they're crazy? It's driving me insane.

I think it’s because Ball is the rare product at the top of this draft that if everything clicks, he could be a superstar. He has maybe the only elite skill, his passing, of any prospect. He has elite size for his position and once his body develops, he will probably be a triple double machine. He also was one of the top steals men in Australia and, unlike Rubio, he’s a willing shooter. Just needs to shoot/score more efficiently.

The new video, while a very low release, does look like he now shoots with one hand with more consistent mechanics. Trey Young also has a very low shot and he does okay.

The problem is he has such a low floor. If he never shoots efficiently and his defense doesn’t improve, both certainly possible, does he help you win? Plus, I really question the fit here.

The shot will always suck. That is a fact IMO (obviously not a fact, but IMO a 95% minimum probability). Maybe he can be pretty good at everything else. That sure doesn't seem like a superstar to me even if everything clicks. I prefer that a player who can't shoot 3s simply doesn't take them. Give me Simmons.

[gandlogo]

Damn it! I want to draft Deni now! This draft sucks. lots of options to choose from.

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[KGdaBom]

Damn it! I want to draft Deni now! This draft sucks. lots of options to choose from.

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Deni is the perfect fit according to position and skills if he can shoot better.
I actually believe the indicators that say his shot will improve. He's #3 on my personal big board. If I'm in just the right mood he can move up to #1 for a moment.

[jpatrick]

Damn it! I want to draft Deni now! This draft sucks. lots of options to choose from.

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Deni is the perfect fit according to position and skills if he can shoot better.
I actually believe the indicators that say his shot will improve. He's #3 on my personal big board. If I'm in just the right mood he can move up to #1 for a moment.

What indicators? I’ll admit the form isn’t bad at all. But it’s barely gone in at 30% from three with little improvement over the years. Plus, the biggest indicator is FT%, which has consistently been in the upper 50s.

I like Deni. I think he can be a decent role player in the NBA. But I see him more in the 6-10 draft range, even in this draft class.

[KGdaBom]

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Deni is the perfect fit according to position and skills if he can shoot better.
I actually believe the indicators that say his shot will improve. He's #3 on my personal big board. If I'm in just the right mood he can move up to #1 for a moment.

What indicators? I’ll admit the form isn’t bad at all. But it’s barely gone in at 30% from three with little improvement over the years. Plus, the biggest indicator is FT%, which has consistently been in the upper 50s.

I like Deni. I think he can be a decent role player in the NBA. But I see him more in the 6-10 draft range, even in this draft class.

The indicators are the good form and the very improved shooting during the relaunch. Small sample size but most recent. The other indicator is my positive Vibe about him. I think he could be even better than Larry Nance is how much I like him.