Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

[dougthonus]

Frankly he was very good on offense and can continue to be if he's utilized.

Lauri wasn't a top 5 reason the Bulls were awful tonight, but he had 16 points on 14 shots with 2 turnovers and 1 trip to the free throw line. On offense that is 16 points on 17 possessions which is below league average, not fantastic.

[Jiipee84]

Lauri was the lone bright spot offensively for the second time in a row.

He was at 14/7 at the half before everything unraveled.
Normally I'd be happy but f*ck this team is damn depressing.

Unfortunately, he was also a key contributor to the brutal interior defense. He wasn't as bad as Wendell, but he's also not a good help defender, nor a rim protector. He's gotta be very good on offense to make up for his defensive weaknesses.

Frankly he was very good on offense and can continue to be if he's utilized. And his defense would look a lot better next to a half competent center (compare next to Rolo vs next to wcj).

But I agree his defense on sabonis was bad... But that's expected. He shouldn't be the back up center against a skilled post up big that is bigger than him.

What a hell ?
Lauri is taller than Sabonis but Carter is a bit shorter than Sabonis so did you mean Wendell or Lauri ?

[Jiipee84]

I was watching Bulls vs Hawks game for Finnish internet tv in Thursday morning.
And commentator who was commenting that game mentioned
that extension offer which Lauri ignored was 4 yrs and 80 million USD.
Commentator didn't mention annual salary so i don't know exact details.

But has any thought that maybe the reason why negotiations with Lauri's agent failed
wasn't that 4 million gap etc difference because i think it was due to all revenue losses
what covid-19 has causing to Bulls because games are played empty stands and without any fans.
And maybe that's why JR and his son Michael won't invest so much money for the Bulls.
Yeah yeah not likely but who actually knows what that official truth is.

[PaKii94]

Frankly he was very good on offense and can continue to be if he's utilized.

Lauri wasn't a top 5 reason the Bulls were awful tonight, but he had 16 points on 14 shots with 2 turnovers and 1 trip to the free throw line. On offense that is 16 points on 17 possessions which is below league average, not fantastic.

He was at 14/7 on 3 of 5 on 2s and 2 of 6 on 3s at the half. He did have bad defensive plays at C against sabonis but he was also the main reason Sabonis and turner were in foul trouble.

I am disregarding the second half because the offensive completely stalled and the rest of his attempts were what we saw last year quick trigger contested 3s and a bailout 2.

With a competent PG he should have easily ended with at least 20/10.

Coby/WCJ couldn't find him on multiple cuts and switches and we saw zero plays with Lauri as a ball handler.

[PaKii94]

Unfortunately, he was also a key contributor to the brutal interior defense. He wasn't as bad as Wendell, but he's also not a good help defender, nor a rim protector. He's gotta be very good on offense to make up for his defensive weaknesses.

Frankly he was very good on offense and can continue to be if he's utilized. And his defense would look a lot better next to a half competent center (compare next to Rolo vs next to wcj).

But I agree his defense on sabonis was bad... But that's expected. He shouldn't be the back up center against a skilled post up big that is bigger than him.

What a hell ?
Lauri is taller than Sabonis but Carter is a bit shorter than Sabonis so did you mean Wendell or Lauri ?

Lauri is taller but he's not wide bodied like a typical big. Then he also has short arms compared to his size so that hinders his rim protection.

He can put some effort against the big boys but it's a disadvantage for him.

[PaKii94]

Two games but Lauri is at (p36) 23p/10r/2.5a on 52/43, 70%TS.

Much closer to what was expected last year following a 21/10 year 2 compared to what we got.

The efficiency will obviously come down but I expect the production to be the same, if not more if the team starts to realize they should utilize him more as a "offensive hub" instead of wcj

[Jiipee84]

Frankly he was very good on offense and can continue to be if he's utilized. And his defense would look a lot better next to a half competent center (compare next to Rolo vs next to wcj).

But I agree his defense on sabonis was bad... But that's expected. He shouldn't be the back up center against a skilled post up big that is bigger than him.

What a hell ?
Lauri is taller than Sabonis but Carter is a bit shorter than Sabonis so did you mean Wendell or Lauri ?

Lauri is taller but he's not wide bodied like a typical big. Then he also has short arms compared to his size so that hinders his rim protection.

He can put some effort against the big boys but it's a disadvantage for him.

OK thanks.
I had to check what did you mean because i was a bit confused with your first comment.

[GoBlue72391]

Lauri needs more touches and to be fed the ball when hot. He'll get it going, then we'll completely go away from him for 5+ minutes just like last year. He was embarrassingly wide open under the rim and the entire team missed him.

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[WindyCityBorn]

Lauri needs more touches and to be fed the ball when hot. He'll get it going, then we'll completely go away from him for 5+ minutes just like last year. He was embarrassingly wide open under the rim and the entire team missed him.

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The offense should be catered to Zach and Lauri, but Carter is guy touching the ball on every possession.

[Hangtime84]

I was watching Bulls vs Hawks game for Finnish internet tv in Thursday morning.
And commentator who was commenting that game mentioned
that extension offer which Lauri ignored was 4 yrs and 80 million USD.
Commentator didn't mention annual salary so i don't know exact details.

But has any thought that maybe the reason why negotiations with Lauri's agent failed
wasn't that 4 million gap etc difference because i think it was due to all revenue losses
what covid-19 has causing to Bulls because games are played empty stands and without any fans.
And maybe that's why JR and his son Michael won't invest so much money for the Bulls.
Yeah yeah not likely but who actually knows what that official truth is.

4 /80 is more than fair for Lauri especially after that crap year.

Him and John Collins agent need to do some soul searching

[Jiipee84]

I was watching Bulls vs Hawks game for Finnish internet tv in Thursday morning.
And commentator who was commenting that game mentioned
that extension offer which Lauri ignored was 4 yrs and 80 million USD.
Commentator didn't mention annual salary so i don't know exact details.

But has any thought that maybe the reason why negotiations with Lauri's agent failed
wasn't that 4 million gap etc difference because i think it was due to all revenue losses
what covid-19 has causing to Bulls because games are played empty stands and without any fans.
And maybe that's why JR and his son Michael won't invest so much money for the Bulls.
Yeah yeah not likely but who actually knows what that official truth is.

4 /80 is more than fair for Lauri especially after that crap year.

Him and John Collins agent need to do some soul searching

You're right.
But Collins is better player than Lauri someone will pay him good moneys but who's gonna pay for Lauri.
Collins didn't regress his 3rd season in NBA like Lauri did and that's the difference between those two.

Maybe Lauri's agent really tried use his friendship for AK as a negotiation tactic.
But none of us ( Bulls fans ) can't know what the real truth is so nobody can't say for 150% likely
what did happen behind the scenes when Lauri's agent and AK and ME were negotiating Lauri's rookie extension.

[CaPiTanAK]

I would lock Lauri up 4 years for 20 mil/per. That’s a valuable contract. If the Jerrys don’t want to invest in the Bulls bc of COVID, they might as well sell the team to a real billionaire.

[Jiipee84]

Lauri needs more touches and to be fed the ball when hot. He'll get it going, then we'll completely go away from him for 5+ minutes just like last year. He was embarrassingly wide open under the rim and the entire team missed him.

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Maybe coach Donovan really should give Zach and Lauri green light
to score so much as possible and play heroball if they really want that.
WE ( Bulls ) ABSOLUTELY SUCK and making to playoffs really is a fantasy dream only.

Only guarantee is that Bulls have years away of being real NBA championship contender.
This current roster is so freaking rotten as ever possible.

And in my opinion this goddamn **** really needs total blowup.
So lets get out all that ****, junk, and crap which are reminding of GarPax.
First man out should John Paxson.

I know that stooge ( mr Paxson ) is marginal advisory role now.
But so long when he's even near United and Advocate centers Bulls rebuild is not going to anywhere.

[FriedRise]

Two games but Lauri is at (p36) 23p/10r/2.5a on 52/43, 70%TS.

Much closer to what was expected last year following a 21/10 year 2 compared to what we got.

The efficiency will obviously come down but I expect the production to be the same, if not more if the team starts to realize they should utilize him more as a "offensive hub" instead of wcj

Yeah he has been balling. So far this has been closer to his first two years than last year. But too bad it's happening at the same time the whole team is regressing (or should I say.. exposed) so nobody cares enough to pay attention to it.

[dougthonus]

Frankly he was very good on offense and can continue to be if he's utilized.

Lauri wasn't a top 5 reason the Bulls were awful tonight, but he had 16 points on 14 shots with 2 turnovers and 1 trip to the free throw line. On offense that is 16 points on 17 possessions which is below league average, not fantastic.

He was at 14/7 on 3 of 5 on 2s and 2 of 6 on 3s at the half. He did have bad defensive plays at C against sabonis but he was also the main reason Sabonis and turner were in foul trouble.

I am disregarding the second half because the offensive completely stalled and the rest of his attempts were what we saw last year quick trigger contested 3s and a bailout 2.

With a competent PG he should have easily ended with at least 20/10.

Coby/WCJ couldn't find him on multiple cuts and switches and we saw zero plays with Lauri as a ball handler.

I don't want to rip on Lauri because he has probably been the Bulls best player through two games, but you appear to be one of these guys who just throws away all data that doesn't fit your point, and then tries to rationalize how your point would be stronger if other hypothetical things existed that don't and imply causality to those things.

It's literally ridiculous to say his 3rd quarter stats don't count. The Bulls started that quarter down 10, the game easily in reach. He was part of the team absolutely falling apart by his play in that quarter, which was also 1/3 for 2 points, so he'd still be 5/11 for 14 points, for a scorer that doesn't help you on defense, that still isn't fantastic. It's fine.

Again, Lauri has probably been the Bulls best player, but he hasn't been great either.

[dougthonus]

I was watching Bulls vs Hawks game for Finnish internet tv in Thursday morning.
And commentator who was commenting that game mentioned
that extension offer which Lauri ignored was 4 yrs and 80 million USD.
Commentator didn't mention annual salary so i don't know exact details.

But has any thought that maybe the reason why negotiations with Lauri's agent failed
wasn't that 4 million gap etc difference because i think it was due to all revenue losses
what covid-19 has causing to Bulls because games are played empty stands and without any fans.
And maybe that's why JR and his son Michael won't invest so much money for the Bulls.
Yeah yeah not likely but who actually knows what that official truth is.

Just to make sure I am reading this correctly, the Finnish TV announcer said the Bulls offered Lauri 4/80, and Lauri said no?

If Lauri said no to 4/80 and wanted 4/96, then I don't think I would blame the Bulls for not making a good enough offer due to revenue losses, instead I would say Lauri wanted an amount where there was no reason for the Bulls to commit early to.

To be honest, I'd be very surprised if that information were accurate though. 4/80 seems like way too much for Lauri to turn down, but who knows. That sounds more like the money Lauri would have demanded.

[Swuul]

To be honest, I'd be very surprised if that information were accurate though. 4/80 seems like way too much for Lauri to turn down, but who knows. That sounds more like the money Lauri would have demanded.

I think Jiipee heard wrong. The commentator said "If the offer had been something like 20 million a year, Lauri wouldn't have turned it down."

I was told by somebody who I regard a reliable source (ie, I don't believe he got the numbers out from thin air) that Bulls at first offered 3+1 years and 11 mio per year, while Lauris agent asked for 4 years and 20 mio per year. I have no clue where the offers stood at the end when there apparently was a 4 mio gap in the offer and request.

[Ice Man]

But Collins is better player than Lauri someone will pay him good moneys but who's gonna pay for Lauri.

Atlanta went 3-22 when Collins was suspended for 25 games, then played .400 ball when he returned. He averaged 22/10 per game. You'd better believe that Collins will get the money. Maybe Lauri will break out this year, but honestly at this stage of their careers the two of them don't belong in the same sentence.

[sco]

PUMP and DUMP at deadline!

[dougthonus]

To be honest, I'd be very surprised if that information were accurate though. 4/80 seems like way too much for Lauri to turn down, but who knows. That sounds more like the money Lauri would have demanded.

I think Jiipee heard wrong. The commentator said "If the offer had been something like 20 million a year, Lauri wouldn't have turned it down."

That sounds more reasonable to me.

I was told by somebody who I regard a reliable source (ie, I don't believe he got the numbers out from thin air) that Bulls at first offered 3+1 years and 11 mio per year, while Lauris agent asked for 4 years and 20 mio per year. I have no clue where the offers stood at the end when there apparently was a 4 mio gap in the offer and request.

Thanks for the info.