NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[Hussien Fatal]

The MVP is easily SGA with Jokic behind him. My personal sportsbook has these odds:

SGA +150
Jokic +300

Luka +750
Giannis +800
Tatum +1500

Your personal sports book is wrong because Embiid is favored in most of the major sports books.

[eyeatoma]

The MVP is easily SGA with Jokic behind him. My personal sportsbook has these odds:

SGA +150
Jokic +300

Luka +750
Giannis +800
Tatum +1500

LMFAO, what?

[GeorgeSears]

The MVP is easily SGA with Jokic behind him. My personal sportsbook has these odds:

SGA +150
Jokic +300

Luka +750
Giannis +800
Tatum +1500

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

[eyeatoma]

The MVP is easily SGA with Jokic behind him. My personal sportsbook has these odds:

SGA +150
Jokic +300

Luka +750
Giannis +800
Tatum +1500

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

I think he was doing that intentionally lol...

[GrandTheftRondo]

Just skimming through the posts, saying Embiid is significantly better is disingenuous and doesn’t help the discussion between the two. Jokic has been playing like an aimbot for awhile now with goat level playmaking

Significantly synonymous with large and it’s wrong we all know this.

This year whoever wins it is thoroughly deserved. I liked Harden over Giannis in 18’. Volume vs impact differences. It’s in some ways reminiscent of that

It might end being the last 20 games that gives us the clearer picture of it.

Correct it’s a joke.

Jokic has been absurdly good recently. It deadset is like watching a finely tuned basketball robot just completely control games.

Embiid has been amazing as well and should be the front runner but he is not significantly better than anyone.

Just ridiculously disrespectful to how amazing Jokic is.

[Kurtz]

The MVP is easily SGA with Jokic behind him. My personal sportsbook has these odds:

SGA +150
Jokic +300

Luka +750
Giannis +800
Tatum +1500

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

[GrandTheftRondo]

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

[GeorgeSears]

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

I'm actually surprised that it's been that close. Obviously, Embiid is having an all-time great year. The Sixers are winning, so you'd assume he'd be a heavy favorite... but then you remember that he can only miss 7 more games. That's really the reason that the odds are still relatively close.

[eyeatoma]

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

I mean Embiid was leading for the majority of the season as well as the straw poll. Jokic took the lead after Embiid sat for 4 games with an injury. Then he came back and had multiple 40 point games and then the 70 point. So it might seem like the 70 point game was enough, but Embiid has been on people's radar for a long time.

[eyeatoma]

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

70 points has been done 9 times by a player, there is nothing minimal about it, regardless of who the competition is. One game usually does not have a bearing if it's 50 or 60 points. But this 70 points could be the one of the bookends of his MVP candidacy. You could use the 50 against the Wolves as another.

[Potential]

LMFAO, what?

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

I think he was doing that intentionally lol...

I have deemed Joel Embiid as disqualified from winning the award this year after having the worst playoff drop off for an mvp in nba history

[eyeatoma]

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

I think he was doing that intentionally lol...

I have deemed Joel Embiid as disqualified from winning the award this year after having the worst playoff drop off for an mvp in nba history

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

[GrandTheftRondo]

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

70 points has been done 9 times by a player, there is nothing minimal about it, regardless of who the competition is. One game usually does not have a bearing if it's 50 or 60 points. But this 70 points could be the one of the bookends of his MVP candidacy. You could use the 50 against the Wolves as another.

It’s one game out of an 82 game season.

If Embiid wins the MVP it won’t be because of that game.

[eyeatoma]

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

70 points has been done 9 times by a player, there is nothing minimal about it, regardless of who the competition is. One game usually does not have a bearing if it's 50 or 60 points. But this 70 points could be the one of the bookends of his MVP candidacy. You could use the 50 against the Wolves as another.

It’s one game out of an 82 game season.

If Embiid wins the MVP it won’t be because of that game.

You're right but it will be etched in the voters memory, and when reminiscing on this historic scoring run, it will be prominently highlighted.

[iggymcfrack]

Just skimming through the posts, saying Embiid is significantly better is disingenuous and doesn’t help the discussion between the two. Jokic has been playing like an aimbot for awhile now with goat level playmaking

Significantly synonymous with large and it’s wrong we all know this.

This year whoever wins it is thoroughly deserved. I liked Harden over Giannis in 18’. Volume vs impact differences. It’s in some ways reminiscent of that

It might end being the last 20 games that gives us the clearer picture of it.

Thank you!!! It’s honestly the most annoying thing when the Embiid supporters just assert that he’s “clearly the best and it’s not close”. No reasoning. It’s like they think if they just assert really strong, everyone will be forced to agree that he’s at least the best by a small amount to compromise.

Embiid’s MVP case is at best, very flawed. He’s having an amazing, amazing season, but Jokić is also in the running for best offensive season ever on a rate basis and he’s played 44/45 games. Acting like you just can’t understand why anyone would have Jokić ahead just comes off as intellectually dishonest.

[iggymcfrack]

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

70 points has been done 9 times by a player, there is nothing minimal about it, regardless of who the competition is. One game usually does not have a bearing if it's 50 or 60 points. But this 70 points could be the one of the bookends of his MVP candidacy. You could use the 50 against the Wolves as another.

Meh, it’s a random game against the Wizards. Donovan Mitchell put up 70 last year, it didn’t make him the MVP. If Embiid wants a statement game that will make people forget all the games he’s sat out against good competition, what he needs to do is win in Denver. That’s something people will remember at the end of the season, not how many points Embiid put on a hapless lottery team.

[eyeatoma]

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

70 points has been done 9 times by a player, there is nothing minimal about it, regardless of who the competition is. One game usually does not have a bearing if it's 50 or 60 points. But this 70 points could be the one of the bookends of his MVP candidacy. You could use the 50 against the Wolves as another.

Meh, it’s a random game against the Wizards. Donovan Mitchell put up 70 last year, it didn’t make him the MVP. If Embiid wants a statement game that will make people forget all the games he’s sat out against good competition, what he needs to do is win in Denver. That’s something people will remember at the end of the season, not how many points Embiid put on a hapless lottery team.

Mitchell did it, and wasn't on the greatest scoring run in NBA history. You can call the Spurs a hapless lottery team but they had Wemby and he's already one of the best defenders of the league.

[Wolfgang630]

Joker’s played nearly all the games and his efficiency is at a record high for the last 15 games I believe.

[Exp0sed]

It's probably wrong. The one I'm looking at is:

Embiid +120
Jokic +275
Shai +375

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

stop it lmfao, Embiid is not the "frontrunner" because of one stat padding game in which he took 40 shots and went 20 times to the line.

he's played almost 10 less games than Jokic and SGA, don't be ridicilous
do team records not matter anymore?

say the Nuggets (or the Thunder) end up winning the West and Philly is 3rd in the East - do u think Embiid wins it then?
because...what? because he scores a few more PPG while taking a few more shots? big whoop

Embiid should win the scoring title as he has in the past, he def deserves that but that's about it. that's all you get for jacking up shots.

[turnaroundJ]

Embiid has hit a higher level this year. Would be regretful if he forced himself to reach the minimum games requirement and be too worn down for the playoffs.