BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap)

[fateis007]

I am still upset that we gave away that many unprotected picks. I feel like that will come back to bite us. One bad season due to injuries and we’re helping Memphis (or whoever they trade those picks to) build a dynasty.

I think you're overthinking it personally.

We are in a win now mode, with 3 stars in their prime. (4 if you put Suggs and his upside into that)

Over the last 20 years, we have historically never found a diamond in the rough in the middle/late lottery, the best players being like J.J. Redick and Jameer Nelson. Literally everyone else has been a bust (besides Courtney Lee, he went on to have a great career, but he is not even close to Banes caliber)

So basically we have never drafted a player of Bane's caliber outside of a top 10 pick.

So what is the likelihood we are going to

A: Find someone as good as Bane to help win now
B: Actually get someone the minutes to develop into him
C: Find someone who will be a career 40% shooter from deep
D: Be able to handle the ball and take over guard duties

I personally think it's a bunch of panicking over nothing, this isn't the Magic team that wins 20 games anymore, we have true talent on the team. Getting a lethal scorer in his prime is how you win.

Call it bad luck, call it what you want. But hoping we somehow go against the grain and find some stud to help us win now ( like Memphis found Bane) is less likely then us being decimated by injuries.

[JoshuaPotter]

Day 3 post trade.

Yeah, I still think even as constructed we are now 50+ wins or bust. I mean coaches are fired, and then the front office. If you believe in Paolo + Franz + Suggs as a core then Paolo + Franz + Suggs + BANE + Black + potentially year 3 of Isaac you should be agreeing.

I'd like to keep
Moe for energy
Houstan for cheap
possibly the 25th pick.

The rest? Can be used as trade or pieces to build around.

Barring career or season ending injuries we should be top 4 and depending on what happens to Boston / Cavs top 3 isn't insane. Those unprotected picks hypothetically have their best value "today" before we officially establish we can win 50+ games.

[AdamTheGreek]

He's been called "Drive By"

Drive by doesn't sound good. It reminds me of Pat Garrity's nickname. E-Pat, because he let everyone go by on defense. That's when we had the E-Pass on the toll roads.

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He’ll always be Air Garrity.

3-D for Bane works. It’s too bad we won’t have Paul Porter saying that.

[yoyojw17]

I am still upset that we gave away that many unprotected picks. I feel like that will come back to bite us. One bad season due to injuries and we’re helping Memphis (or whoever they trade those picks to) build a dynasty.

I think you're overthinking it personally.

We are in a win now mode, with 3 stars in their prime. (4 if you put Suggs and his upside into that)

Over the last 20 years, we have historically never found a diamond in the rough in the middle/late lottery, the best players being like J.J. Redick and Jameer Nelson. Literally everyone else has been a bust (besides Courtney Lee, he went on to have a great career, but he is not even close to Banes caliber)

So basically we have never drafted a player of Bane's caliber outside of a top 10 pick.

So what is the likelihood we are going to

A: Find someone as good as Bane to help win now
B: Actually get someone the minutes to develop into him
C: Find someone who will be a career 40% shooter from deep
D: Be able to handle the ball and take over guard duties

I personally think it's a bunch of panicking over nothing, this isn't the Magic team that wins 20 games anymore, we have true talent on the team. Getting a lethal scorer in his prime is how you win.

Call it bad luck, call it what you want. But hoping we somehow go against the grain and find some stud to help us win now ( like Memphis found Bane) is less likely then us being decimated by injuries.

Yep.... You can't predict injuries.... The only thing you can do is set your team up the best you can for success.... And what happens happens. Lol.... No one could have predict 2 abdominal tears to our two young stars. Other than a couple sprained ankles they had been good this entire time. The addition of bane to a growing team like ours ... Gives us also a better chance to succeed.... Even in those situations. And even with our young team.... we weathered what most would consider a horrible strike of bad luck ... And we're .500 and made it to the playoffs. So yeah.... We cross that bridge if it happens. But if that bridge does not get crossed and the suns still competes next year ... We got a huge steal on our hands.

[bigdogdylan5]

There are so many examples of how badly this can go with these unprotected picks and Weltman double down. And we’re not even talking about the cap space implications. When Michelle or Dame became available, we thought the money was too much and they didn’t fit the timeline, and Bane is making so much as a 3rd option. We are not only on the clock but if this go south, we would most definitely have to trade Suggs, Franz, or Paolo. I don’t like the risk. If Weltman would have made trades along the way, this wouldn’t be necessary.

I don’t mind Bane on this team for KCP and Cole, but his salary is too high for what he will provide, the 4 unprotected picks were unnecessary, and his availability is not the best. Weltman needs to make trades going forward so his back is not against the wall like this. The Grizzlies GM saw him coming.

Have you actually watched Bane? This is honestly not a gotcha or anything. God knows I didn’t have time to watch Grizzlies games this year lol. If you have league pass go watch some of the games all possessions condensed mode (shows you just all the possessions amd are 40 minutes long about). He is so much more than a shooter. He can shoot off the dribble he can penetrate and shoot elbow jumpers and runners. He is strong at finishing around the hoop too. A very willing passer and the thing that really jumps off the screen he is an extremely quick decision maker. That can lead to turnovers but his numbers say it’s not a huge issue. He is guy is going to take so much pressure off Franz it will be ridiculous. He might even turn into our second option on offense after Paolo. To me he is underpaid not by a lot. Weltman said it in his presser we believe we are getting an all star his numbers say all star he just hasn’t gotten the nod because of stacked west. I have listened to a few podcasts that said if he was in East he would be 2 time all star.

[eyriq]

Historically, picks in the 20–30 range have about a 13% chance of producing a player who averages 15+ PPG multiple times. Unless we somehow send multiple lottery picks, this trade is likely to age well for us.

[Skybox]

I am still upset that we gave away that many unprotected picks. I feel like that will come back to bite us. One bad season due to injuries and we’re helping Memphis (or whoever they trade those picks to) build a dynasty.

well, 1 "unprotected pick" is #16 this year.
two of those "unprotected picks" will be in the mid-20's.
so the only one at risk for something high is the PHX pick swap. and PHX wont completely blow it up as they dont own full rights on that pick, so there is no incentive to be really bad.

but it keeps being shouted, 4 unprotected picks, but it isnt really as bad as it sounds.

It's likely that it's an Anthony Black and 3 TdS's...definitely some value but not approaching a Bane-level guy...and if one does, kudos to MEM scouts for finding a gem in a pile of 19yo coal.

It's certainly not nothing, but we gave up ZERO on-court value (even though I think KCP is a good player). I'd say it's a fair trade and probably good for both, certainly good for ORL. I don't care to watch 4 years of "developing" guys as opposed to Bane walking in the door, fully-formed, ready to win, under contract, still young.

[Knightro]

I'm just not worried about the picks.

The Magic had probably the worst possible year they could have in terms of injuries with Paolo, Franz and Suggs (and Moe) all missing significant time and they still managed to go 41-41 and end up with the 16th pick.

Any injury luck at all and this is easily a 50+ win team for the foreseeable future.

The Phoenix pick is probably going to be pretty juicy, but that's the cost of doing business for a 27-year-old borderline all-star who is locked in for four years at a price we already know.

[Skybox]

There are so many examples of how badly this can go with these unprotected picks and Weltman double down. And we’re not even talking about the cap space implications. When Michelle or Dame became available, we thought the money was too much and they didn’t fit the timeline, and Bane is making so much as a 3rd option. We are not only on the clock but if this go south, we would most definitely have to trade Suggs, Franz, or Paolo. I don’t like the risk. If Weltman would have made trades along the way, this wouldn’t be necessary.

I don’t mind Bane on this team for KCP and Cole, but his salary is too high for what he will provide, the 4 unprotected picks were unnecessary, and his availability is not the best. Weltman needs to make trades going forward so his back is not against the wall like this. The Grizzlies GM saw him coming.

Have you actually watched Bane? This is honestly not a gotcha or anything. God knows I didn’t have time to watch Grizzlies games this year lol. If you have league pass go watch some of the games all possessions condensed mode (shows you just all the possessions amd are 40 minutes long about). He is so much more than a shooter. He can shoot off the dribble he can penetrate and shoot elbow jumpers and runners. He is strong at finishing around the hoop too. A very willing passer and the thing that really jumps off the screen he is an extremely quick decision maker. That can lead to turnovers but his numbers say it’s not a huge issue. He is guy is going to take so much pressure off Franz it will be ridiculous. He might even turn into our second option on offense after Paolo. To me he is underpaid not by a lot. Weltman said it in his presser we believe we are getting an all star his numbers say all star he just hasn’t gotten the nod because of stacked west. I have listened to a few podcasts that said if he was in East he would be 2 time all star.

I am absolutely supportive of the trade and the price paid...But I also think you could consider Bane "overpaid". Not horrendously so, but the league is getting crazy with the near-max deals for upper level role players at the exact time the CBA is punishing teams for doing it. Bane is among the best players in that tier, but his salary puts a huge weight on the salary cap consideration for the rest of the roster...it's the only reason they sold him off. He's beloved in MEM and, imo, the surest thing of their BIg 3, even as the 3rd option (like he is here)...Ja is a total wildcard of a superstar and JJJ is angling for a massive deal (which MEM is maniacally shedding payroll to provide). None of the 3 is without significant limitations and their ability to build around them would be a big problem. We're taking the same risk, but I think our existing situation makes it a better bet than MEM felt it was.

[eyriq]

I'm just not worried about the picks.

The Magic had probably the worst possible year they could have in terms of injuries with Paolo, Franz and Suggs (and Moe) all missing significant time and they still managed to go 41-41 and end up with the 16th pick.

Any injury luck at all and this is easily a 50+ win team for the foreseeable future.

I like this renewed and refreshed you.

[orlando_joe]

He's been called "Drive By"

Drive by doesn't sound good. It reminds me of Pat Garrity's nickname. E-Pat, because he let everyone go by on defense. That's when we had the E-Pass on the toll roads.

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He’ll always be Air Garrity.

3-D for Bane works. It’s too bad we won’t have Paul Porter saying that.

think i heard him say db3 when he saw his new jersey

[Knightro]

For whatever it's worth, Bane's nickname in Memphis was "Fly By King" or "FBK" not "Drive By".

Because he's one of the best in the league at pump faking against a hard closeout, watching the defender harmlessly fly by out of position, and then draining the three anyway.

[GelbeWand09]

Would you magic fans rather have the done the deal you got for Bane, or Simons for Issac, whatever filler, and #16 2025?

Bane.

Simons absolutely would have solved one issue (high volume, high accuracy 3PT shooting), but Bane also solves that + good defense + good wing rebounding + good finishing + good secondary playmaking.

And we know exactly what Bane's going to be paid the next four years. Simons is due for a new contract and with the cap rising, he might be looking for even more than Bane's already locked into getting right now.

Simons is a oneway player (even his offense is mostly onedimensional) with at best leaque average TS%. That combination alone tells you, he isnt exactly a winning type player, you should invest heavy money in.

[tiderulz]

I am still upset that we gave away that many unprotected picks. I feel like that will come back to bite us. One bad season due to injuries and we’re helping Memphis (or whoever they trade those picks to) build a dynasty.

Without any other moves to the core of Paolo/Franz/Suggs/Bane we’ve got 4 years to have one great season and win a championship. That’s the frame I’m taking on it.

But yeah, ideally you get a #1 protection on them. Maybe they could’ve created a trigger clause where in that event they get additional future draft pick/s?

There are so many examples of how badly this can go with these unprotected picks and Weltman double down. And we’re not even talking about the cap space implications. When Michelle or Dame became available, we thought the money was too much and they didn’t fit the timeline, and Bane is making so much as a 3rd option. We are not only on the clock but if this go south, we would most definitely have to trade Suggs, Franz, or Paolo. I don’t like the risk. If Weltman would have made trades along the way, this wouldn’t be necessary.

I don’t mind Bane on this team for KCP and Cole, but his salary is too high for what he will provide, the 4 unprotected picks were unnecessary, and his availability is not the best. Weltman needs to make trades going forward so his back is not against the wall like this. The Grizzlies GM saw him coming.

Bane may be in thoughts a "3rd" option, but he can easily be a 2nd or 1st option on nights when other players arent doing well, he is that good. And if things go south for any high payroll team, a player is moved. Look at Boston, they are looking to move both Porzingis and Jrue, just as 1 example. If honestly, if Suggs cant play at least 70 games this year, we need to look to move him anyways, as that would be 1 year in 5 that he could play 70 games. as for what was necessary vs unnecessary, i would say it was almost 1.5 picks just to dump Cole and KCP.

[tiderulz]

I'm just not worried about the picks.

The Magic had probably the worst possible year they could have in terms of injuries with Paolo, Franz and Suggs (and Moe) all missing significant time and they still managed to go 41-41 and end up with the 16th pick.

Any injury luck at all and this is easily a 50+ win team for the foreseeable future.

The Phoenix pick is probably going to be pretty juicy, but that's the cost of doing business for a 27-year-old borderline all-star who is locked in for four years at a price we already know.

and I am not sure it will be that juicy. PHX has no reason to tank as they dont completely control the pick. And the owners dont want to do a complete rebuild. and they wont be able to trade Beal and have Booker. If they trade Durant, they could get a decent player back along with pick and finish out of the playoffs, but not top-8 pick. Will just depend on a lot of factors and then yes, the lottery balls.

[Knightro]

and I am not sure it will be that juicy. PHX has no reason to tank as they dont completely control the pick. And the owners dont want to do a complete rebuild. and they wont be able to trade Beal and have Booker. If they trade Durant, they could get a decent player back along with pick and finish out of the playoffs, but not top-8 pick. Will just depend on a lot of factors and then yes, the lottery balls.

They have no reason to tank, but they didn't have a reason to tank this past year (and didn't tank) and they still ended up with the 10th overall pick that ultimately went to Houston.

And now they're going to unload Durant for a very likely lesser return than what he gave them last year considering he was an all-NBA caliber player but missed the games played threshold.

They're just not that good.

[Knightro]

Phoenix only won 36 games with Booker playing 75 games.

And now they're moving off Durant's 27-6-4 on a .642 true shooting for an obviously lesser return.

It's highly unlikely to me that they're *better* than they were last year and could easily be worse.

[VFX]

On the topic of picks here…

Let’s remind ourselves of truly how terrible Weltman and co. are at drafting in the late draft. I’m not terribly concerned with #16 or the other two late 20’s picks being moved. The Phoenix pick was really the only great asset being dealt here and now with the draft rules who even knows what that becomes. Could be top 3 could be #9 or #10.

Hell this front office is absymal when they have two picks at #6 and #11 two years ago. Those two picks will haunt this organization in 2 seasons. Especially when we are watching guys like Cason Wallace and Derek Lively provide exactly what Orlando was lacking in playoff situations.

Jett Howard is so bad apparently that the FO went out and spent all the available cap space in one summer and THEN 4 MORE picks at his position just to make sure he never sees the floor.

Anthony Black is a “point guard” that is incapable of logging a single assist in a playoff series apparently. Even his supporters admit the system by design isnt meant for him to be a lead playmaker now.

Cole, Chuma, Isaac, Bamba, Jett, etc etc. no wonder the FO has no problem moving picks. These are all lotto/mid first guys that are either perpetual bench or out of the league at this point.

To round this out… this FO must absolutely nail all the upcoming picks. Why? Because the roster is now expensive and the roster spots have to provide actual on court value.. not perceived value based on potential only.

[Skybox]

The PHX swap could be a significant pick

and it SHOULD be as the key to obtaining Bane...no regrets, the rest of the package is likely meh. I won't feel butthurt if that pick lands in the top 10...it probably should if fate is fair...we also paid very little to obtain the swap that, likely, is what makes this trade possible.

I'm not in Weltman's lap like Cedric...but that combo of moves is impressive to me. Franz deal (no longer the "Vuc deal") is another big win followed by a big draft selection (NOBODY saw Franz becoming this guy or he would've went Top 3)...the scorecard is shifting but we're not there yet.

This summer, if things continue to develop on the margins, could lead to an Exec of the Year nod...although Pepe will remind us that there's been one significant trade so far - it's refreshing to be the org that the league is buzzing about this time of year. Keep it going Weltman - don't congratulate yourself yet.

[jonbob17]

I heard someone say that if KCP was a free agent he would be looking at the MLE, or $14M, if true basically he would be overpaid by about $18M the next two years. Which a lot of overpayment for a guy at his best is the 5th best starter. The also suggested the price for moving off that money would be a first round pick. Cole has negative value too, no way is he worth $13M a year, but he's only got a year left. so say that the price for moving those guys was a first and a second, just to get off their contracts.

If you look at it like that its more like three firsts....That Phoenix swap is still plenty valuable, as is pick 16 this year. But if you assign values say 16, 10, and 24...thats a lot more palatable.

Personally i think KCP bounces back, and if we are really looking at it KCP made 0.1 less threes per game this year than he did with denver the prior. Last year the Magic identified KCP as the guy they wanted and the paid a price Denver wasnt willing to match, and it was higher than the market rate, and since they are flipping him they gotta pay for that convenience.

The transition to this new CBA environment nobody has any capspace and the new rules around trading make it difficult even to trade guys into space, so there is a premium that will be paid for getting off bad money...and should be a a pretty big warning to teams about overpaying for guys...especially older guys that could decline quickly.