09-10 WizFans Official Draft Thread

mhd · Post #981 » by **mhd** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:45 am

You want an E. Turner to draft???

Elston Turner, from Washington! He's got Josh Howard arms, and a pretty stroke.

wizkid88 · Post #982 » by **wizkid88** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:14 am

no D in Hibachi wrote:I'm not sure how much of a difference there is between Favors and Cousins in terms of potential, but I think Cousins can clearly play center in the NBA. Favors could play center, like Horford, but ultimately he's best suited for PF, as is Horford. Cousins is an immensely better fit for the Wiz.

dont like Cousin's attitude

Post #983 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:46 am

LyricalRico wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:There is absolutely no way in the world favors is a center in the nba. Closer to shot blocking s/f p/f.
He is a great shot blocker and great dunker when there isn't a body between him and the rim. Identical to javale. Athletic but extremely unskilled and if javale isn't our future center there is no way this guy is...again exact same mold as javale.

You're way off. He's a classic power PF/C. He's nothing like Javale, because he's a power player - something we haven't had anything resembling in many years. He'd be a GREAT fit for the Wiz.

Yeah, Favors isn't anything close to a small forward. But I don't see him as a full time center, either. And since we already have Blatche, I'm not sure how picking him helps us. He's a great talent but having 3 young bigs fighthing for minutes with their roles constantly changing between the two positions doesn't make for a good development plan IMO.

IMO the only way we can get the most out of picking Favors is if we eventually trade Blatche. Is that what you're proposing?

+1 to what hermitkid said. Offensively, Favors' best position is probably center, since he likes to play near the basket and can out-athletic most centers. Defensively, just base things on matchups. Favors should blend very well with both Blatche and McGee, because he adds the physicality that both of them are obviously lacking.

dangermouse · Post #984 » by **dangermouse** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:45 am

Ok, im sold on Favors. Whats his wingspan? If his arms are super long like ive heard then he can play bigger, so i guess he could be a decent stopgap centre for us. I havent caught any of his games as much as ive seen Aldrich's.

But his first name is Derrick, thats a pretty tough name so i figure hes a tough guy, physicality down low is a big need for us. I put it as a bigger need than a good SG even.

closg00 · Post #985 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:36 am

Ok, we can take Monroe off the board.

willbcocks · Post #986 » by **willbcocks** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:23 am

closg00 wrote:Ok, we can take Monroe off the board.

Ahh, Monroe's returning to school? That blows.

closg00 · Post #987 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:32 am

Ruzious wrote:
Ruzious wrote:This year's Steph Curry might be Jimmer Fredette - only he won't be picked as highly because of one factor, and the factor isn't his name - though what a freaking name he has - forget that boy named Sue that Johnny Cash sung about. http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jimmer-fredette

Pulled from page 15 of this thread. Ignoring the insinuation above, Steph Curry vs. Jimmer Fredette (averaged 37.5 points and 5 assists in last 2 games) - discuss. Or Jimmer vs. Steve Nash of Santa Clara circa 1995 - discuss. (A difference other than Nash and Curry had the sense to not call themselves Stever)

If this guy played for Puke he'd be a lottery-pick like Reddick was. Fredette was huge yesterday, does he stay another year?

Post #988 » by **Rafael122** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:55 am

Yikes, Monroe must really love Georgetown for him to pass on being a top 10 pick 2 years in a row. Would not be surprised if he finished school to be honest.

MJG · Post #989 » by **MJG** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:06 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Yikes, Monroe must really love Georgetown for him to pass on being a top 10 pick 2 years in a row. Would not be surprised if he finished school to be honest.

With the lockout looming next summer, I'd say any guaranteed lottery pick that doesn't come out is a little less "loving school" and a little more "recently got bumped on the head"

verbal8 · Post #990 » by **verbal8** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:32 pm

MJG wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Yikes, Monroe must really love Georgetown for him to pass on being a top 10 pick 2 years in a row. Would not be surprised if he finished school to be honest.

With the lockout looming next summer, I'd say any guaranteed lottery pick that doesn't come out is a little less "loving school" and a little more "recently got bumped on the head"

I hope he was able to get a good insurance policy.

I can understand not wanting to end his college career on such a crappy game. If he was a Thabeet project guy, I could see an argument for wanting to develop his game more even if he was a high pick.

fishercob · Post #991 » by **fishercob** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:57 pm

Monroe has since said he's not deciding "anytime soon." It's pretty hard to take anything a guy says immediately after that emotionally shocking loss all that seriously. The guy just had his heart ripped out.

I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable that almost no matter where the Wizards end up in the lotto, they're going to end up with a good player. Aminu is really looking like he has strong potential to be that elite level "role player" with bits of Shawn Marion and Gerald Wallace sprinkled into his game. How quickly he can develop a reliable 3 (shot 29% this year) will determine his ceiling as much as anything.

If we put him next to Blatche, can we re-name the squad the Ramzi bin al Shibh All-Stars? Theose sunken eyes are uncanny. Naming the team after Al Qaeda is only slightly less offensive than "Wizards" to me:

Kidding aside, Aminu beasted against some bigtime talent yesterday. You have to love his length on D, even if his offensive game as a ways to go. He's so young. I think you'd have to put him ahead of Wes Johnson right now b/c his upside is so much higher.

closg00 · Post #992 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:06 pm

Chad Fords latest draft chat FWIW.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/31389

Post #993 » by **nate33** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:16 pm

closg00 wrote:Chad Fords latest draft chat FWIW.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/31389

What are some of the personality issues that scouts are concerned about with Cousins? With the highest PER in college basketball, it seems like he's a lock for top 3.

Two things stand out. He's struggled to control his temper all year. In some ways, his personality reminds me a lot of Rasheed Wallace. He just can't contain himself. Second is that he's had a history (going back to his high school days) of not always giving a maximum effort. I've watched Kentucky play at least 10 times this year and it's come up in every game. As far as a basketball player goes -- he's got everything you want in a post player with the exception of explosive athleticism. Cousins is strong, skilled, has a high basketball IQ and can do everything on the court. But he's not the quickest or most explosive guy.

mzaretsk · Post #994 » by **mzaretsk** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:37 pm

wall is a franchise player. turner, cousins, favors and aminu all have a good chance to be franchise players and will surely be good starters. after that you're looking at marginal starters and rotation players. i hope and pray that we don't slip out of the top 5.

just my two cents.

Post #995 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:38 pm

Bill (Indianapolis)

Everyone knows who the top 2 players are but who is the third best prospect?

Chad Ford (1:13 PM)

Derrick Favors of Georgia Tech. If Favors had a legit point guard and if he didn't have Gani Lawal taking all the touches down low, he'd be in the conversation for the No. 1 pick in my opinion. GMs love DeMarcus Cousins too -- but he's a MUCH bigger risk because of his immaturity.

That's what I've been saying - about the negatives Favors has had to deal with.

But... I disagree with the conclusion. Cousins will be picked before Favors - assuming no unfortunate incident before the draft inolving Cuz.

mzaretsk · Post #996 » by **mzaretsk** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:49 pm

and i don't really see the horford - favors comparisons. favors is twice the player horford was during his freshman year and al played on a stacked team.

i don't know if anyone saw any gtech games, but hewitt should be fired for not running every play through favors.

mzaretsk · Post #997 » by **mzaretsk** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:54 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Bill (Indianapolis)

Everyone knows who the top 2 players are but who is the third best prospect?

Chad Ford (1:13 PM)

Derrick Favors of Georgia Tech. If Favors had a legit point guard and if he didn't have Gani Lawal taking all the touches down low, he'd be in the conversation for the No. 1 pick in my opinion. GMs love DeMarcus Cousins too -- but he's a MUCH bigger risk because of his immaturity.

That's what I've been saying - about the negatives Favors has had to deal with.

But... I disagree with the conclusion. Cousins will be picked before Favors - assuming no unfortunate incident before the draft inolving Cuz.

yes, his coach mostly. its absolutely criminal that he still has a job.

closg00 · Post #998 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Chad Fords latest draft chat FWIW.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/31389

What are some of the personality issues that scouts are concerned about with Cousins? With the highest PER in college basketball, it seems like he's a lock for top 3.

Two things stand out. He's struggled to control his temper all year. In some ways, his personality reminds me a lot of Rasheed Wallace. He just can't contain himself. Second is that he's had a history (going back to his high school days) of not always giving a maximum effort. I've watched Kentucky play at least 10 times this year and it's come up in every game. As far as a basketball player goes -- he's got everything you want in a post player with the exception of explosive athleticism. Cousins is strong, skilled, has a high basketball IQ and can do everything on the court. But he's not the quickest or most explosive guy.

The comparison to Rasheed is an excellent one. However we need a player like Cousin's so badly that it would be worth the risk to take him should we be so.... lucky? Can you see Flip having any patience with a young hot-head like Cousin's though?

I see us in-competition with GS or Detroit for Cousin's. If we are picking ahead of GS and Detroit, we get him.

Nets - No (They have Lopez)
Timberwolves - No (They have Al Jefferson)
Pacers - A big NO
Wizards - Yes
Warriors - Maybe (Favors might be a better fit)
Pistons - Yes

queridiculo · Post #999 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:57 pm

I wouldn't be so sure that Cousins will be picked in the top two.

Watching him on the court he just seems way to relaxed and unengaged and I'm not sure that will sit well with scouts and coaches in the work outs leading up to the draft.

I could see Cousins slipping as franchises get a chance to see some of the other guys.

There's a lot of Curry in Cousins and it's going to turn a lot of people off.

I like the kid, but I'm not going to lie, I'm hoping that we won't be in a position to have to make that choice. Between Cousins, Wall, Favors and Turner I'd pick Favors, then Turner with Cousins being my last choice.

Post #1000 » by **nate33** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:58 pm

Ruzious is starting to convince me. I don't know if I'd take Favors over Cousins, but I now consider this a 4-player draft. If we land a pick anywhere in the top 4, I'll be happy.

Chad Ford rates Ed Davis quite high. His mocks have the Wizards drafting Davis at 6 and 7. Could we be sleeping on him? It wasn't long ago that Davis and Favors were considered to be on the same tier.