Draft: Trades Thread

[perezident]

Here's a question I asked John Hollinger (but was not posted):

Hey John! Greetings from the Bahamas! Huge Sac fan here. Thanks to Wizards and GSW's winning last night we're in the 3rd spot. Say the drafting goes like this: Wolves, Kings, Nets and GSW. Can we pry Flynn away from the Wolves...Say (Donte/Casspi) Future protected 1st for Flynn?
Thompson/Landry/Turner/Evans/Flynn...scary good right??

My question to you guys is this: Would you guys consider doing something like this? In my opinion, that would be superb, but would Khan do it? And lets say we trade Hawes to (Detriot/Philly) for their pick and another piece and draft Aldrich. And with our #33rd pick draft Craig Brackings. Depth chart would look like this:

JT/Aldrich
Landry/Brackings/Brockman
Turner/Cisco
Evans/Casspi
Flynn/Beno

[rpa]

1) Philly/Detroit don't even consider trading their mid lottery pick for Hawes.
2) I think Philly could get better offers for Flynn than that
3) Brackens isn't hanging around that long.

[perezident]

^^ So was suppose to be for Blair! (see what happend to him. Even WE passed up on him!) I can see him (Brackings) hanging around 'til the early second round imo. And yeah, you are probably Minn can get a better offer from other teams concerning Flynn, but it would be worth the try to pry him right?

[RoyalCourtJestr]

I don't really like Flynn running the court. In fact, from what I've seen, I'm more inclinded to let Tyreke run the show than Flynn.

But a Tyreke/Turner combo really wouldn't work. Thats two guys that need the ball.

[UKF]

I don't really like Flynn running the court. In fact, from what I've seen, I'm more inclinded to let Tyreke run the show than Flynn.

But a Tyreke/Turner combo really wouldn't work. Thats two guys that need the ball.

I think it's an interesting idea but I dont see it happening. I would rather us get a guy like Turner than trade for Flynn.

In 2k, I drafted Turner and signed Gay. Team looks real good.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

I don't really like Flynn running the court. In fact, from what I've seen, I'm more inclinded to let Tyreke run the show than Flynn.

But a Tyreke/Turner combo really wouldn't work. Thats two guys that need the ball.

I think it's an interesting idea but I dont see it happening. I would rather us get a guy like Turner than trade for Flynn.

In 2k, I drafted Turner and signed Gay. Team looks real good.

Where was he drafted?! If he was top 5, you're a lousy 2k player

Here's a question I asked John Hollinger (but was not posted):

Hey John! Greetings from the Bahamas! Huge Sac fan here. Thanks to Wizards and GSW's winning last night we're in the 3rd spot. Say the drafting goes like this: Wolves, Kings, Nets and GSW. Can we pry Flynn away from the Wolves...Say (Donte/Casspi) Future protected 1st for Flynn?
Thompson/Landry/Turner/Evans/Flynn...scary good right??

My question to you guys is this: Would you guys consider doing something like this? In my opinion, that would be superb, but would Khan do it? And lets say we trade Hawes to (Detriot/Philly) for their pick and another piece and draft Aldrich. And with our #33rd pick draft Craig Brackings. Depth chart would look like this:

JT/Aldrich
Landry/Brackings/Brockman
Turner/Cisco
Evans/Casspi
Flynn/Beno

I feel like that is a bad idea. Flynn/Evans/Turner is a terrible fit. They are ALL ball dominant and none of them have a consistent jumpshot. Turner/Evans could work, but trading for Flynn especially at the expense of Casspi/Greene future first is a very very bad idea--especially for the price.

Essentially the last part is Aldrich for Hawes. I don't know if I'd do that. I might do it, just because Aldrich is a better fit, but I really believe Hawes has a much higher ceiling.

And trading Hawes for a mid lotto pick isn't ridiculous at all. How many 7 footers with some nice offensive skills are in this draft? Well, none.

[UKF]

Where was he drafted?! If he was top 5, you're a lousy 2k player

I simmed the first year since the season was over. We ended up getting the 4th pick.

The next season we played the Cavs in the playoffs. lol

Tyreke is now ranked a 89. haha

Do you have a 360 or ps3?

[UKF]

As for Aldrich, I would rather us trade the pick than draft him...

[rpa]

^^ So was suppose to be for Blair! (see what happend to him. Even WE passed up on him!) I can see him (Brackings) hanging around 'til the early second round imo. And yeah, you are probably Minn can get a better offer from other teams concerning Flynn, but it would be worth the try to pry him right?

Blair dropped because he may as well not have knees at this point. Talented bigs RARELY last until the 2nd round barring some kind of craziness (Blair and his ACL-less knees being 1 of those situations).

I personally don't want Flynn at all. I can see the argument for him being a buy low/sell high candidate but I just don't think he's any good--more like a career backup player. He's reminding me of a previous TWolves lottery selection: Randy Foye.


As for the whole Turner thing: I agree with the people who say Turner and Evans wouldn't work.
- Both need the ball
- Both are poor outside shooters
- It concentrates most of our talent in the backcourt
- We still wouldn't have any defense/rebounding

Unless Petrie thinks that Thompson can become a monster (and I don't think he can) this draft NEEDS to be BBA: best big available. Grab (hopefully) Cousins or Favors and then you have your team.

[pillwenney]

I think Flynn is generally underrated as a prospect. I think his struggles this year looked worse than they otherwise would have been due to a kind of crappy situation (the triangle really isn't a good offense to try to instill for a floor general like him). I do like him and I think he is definitely a starter in the future.

With that said, I don't think he's the right fit next to Tyreke.

[perezident]

I thought Turner was a real good outside shooter. Maybe I was wrong, but that is what i thought really. So if the Kings get the 2nd pick are you guys suggesting we do should not take Evan Turner???? Or trade the pick??

[rpa]

I thought Turner was a real good outside shooter. Maybe I was wrong, but that is what i thought really. So if the Kings get the 2nd pick are you guys suggesting we do should not take Evan Turner???? Or trade the pick??

36% from a short 3pt line isn't all that good IMO.

Either:
a) Swap picks with whoever is drafting 3rd and pick up a good deal of added incentive then pick up 1 of the 2 bigs (Favors or Cousins)
or
b) Trade the pick for a bonafide young big man.

I like Turner but I just don't think he works on this team--especially with out DESPERATE need for help up front.

[perezident]

That's the thing rpa, I really don't think those guys you mentioned (Favors/Cousins) are the answers as well. They just scream to me, Millsap and Blatche type tier players imho. They're not going to become stars I believe. JT and Landry are their type of talent (not across the board). I'm in the Turner camp. I think Turner can be the "Pippen" to Tyreke's "Jordan" (to borrow KF10's words). People for get Pippen wasnt a good shooter as well however, did other things and focused on other things to make his game a bit better. Turner is so well rounded and is no stretch of the imagination one dimensional

[SacKingZZZ]

I like Flynn but not for this team or next to Tyreke. Also don't like JT at the C spot at ALL!!! Everyone rags about how crappy a defender Hawes is but the last few weeks were an excercise in how not to use common sense. We are HOPELESS defensively, and at times offensively with JT at C. He has considerable talents but defense and strength are two areas where he lacks the most. Terrible defender and that's putting it nicely.

[SacKingZZZ]

I thought Turner was a real good outside shooter. Maybe I was wrong, but that is what i thought really. So if the Kings get the 2nd pick are you guys suggesting we do should not take Evan Turner???? Or trade the pick??

The reality is that neither Wall or Turner probably fit next to Tyreke all that well. You still probably have to take either if we're top 2 and just see if it works. Heck, could be a downright nasty combo with Tyreke and either of them in reality. Out of all the players in this draft Wesley Johnson probably fits this team and most of all Tyreke better than anyone. He's like Shawn Marion but with a sweet stroke out to 25 feet. One of the knocks on him is that he might be more of a "complimentary" player, but is that not what we kind of need here??? I'd take the complimentary player that could be a legit 16 and 6 on high 30's 3 point shooting with the potential to be a multi-position lock down defender at the 2-4 spots, and wouldn't look back.

[KF10]

Wesley Johnson is very interesting for this team. I really like his style of play. He is very versatile on his game i.e. score, rebound, defend. I can see why there are comparisons of Marion directed to him. Both of these guys are athletes and can do a bit of everything.

But with that said, he is going to be 23 years old roughly two months and a half. Is his potential limited? Is his skillset already gotten to the point that it will not expand dramatically like the others?

If we are drafting in the top 3, I would be pissed if we drafted Johnson over guys like Cousins and Turner. But outside the top 5? Sure, I would Johnson is the ideal pick. But then again, you got guys like Aldrich and Aminu to make the selection from that range very tough IMO.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

I really don't understand everyones affection for SFs, especially Johnson. We don't need another SG/SF. We need a big man who can defend worth beans. I agree with BPA - to an extent - but not when you're adding another SF to a team with four-five already and you're leaving our biggest problem untouched.

If it was Turner, who we know has star potential, then I could see the argument. But Johnson has no higher potential than Cousins or Favors, and we need them more. (I know yousaid you'd rather have Cousins, KF10, but my point remains).

[SacKingZZZ]

Wesley Johnson is very interesting for this team. I really like his style of play. He is very versatile on his game i.e. score, rebound, defend. I can see why there are comparisons of Marion directed to him. Both of these guys are athletes and can do a bit of everything.

But with that said, he is going to be 23 years old roughly two months and a half. Is his potential limited? Is his skillset already gotten to the point that it will not expand dramatically like the others?

If we are drafting in the top 3, I would be pissed if we drafted Johnson over guys like Cousins and Turner. But outside the top 5? Sure, I would Johnson is the ideal pick. But then again, you got guys like Aldrich and Aminu to make the selection from that range very tough IMO.

Possibly. I don't think he'll ever develop into a legit #1 option type but the better question is whether or not Wall or Turner, even if possible, will be able to as a player on this team? Turner in particular plays almost the same exact way Tyreke does. Slash, slash, slash, slash, pass, slash. Will we be getting another 20,5, and 5 type? Maybe, but will he ever have the chance to produce like he could?

I really wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson shoot up draft boards soon as workouts get underway. Turner looks a little small to me, Johnson has the size and strength to defend just about anyone that needs to be locked down.

[SacKingZZZ]

I really don't understand everyones affection for SFs, especially Johnson. We don't need another SG/SF. We need a big man who can defend worth beans. I agree with BPA - to an extent - but not when you're adding another SF to a team with four-five already and you're leaving our biggest problem untouched.

If it was Turner, who we know has star potential, then I could see the argument. But Johnson has no higher potential than Cousins or Favors, and we need them more. (I know yousaid you'd rather have Cousins, KF10, but my point remains).

Hmmm...really??? We have some nice young pieces at those positions but a legit top 5 pick type? Nope, don't have it. Could always use it. Just so happens this one in particular would be a perfect fit too. He can play off the ball, be serious threat from downtown, defend, and rebound. Yep, need all those things last I checked.

PG: Beno
SG: Evans
SF: Johnson
PF: Landry
C: ??? (Haywood? Przybilla? Okafor?)

Pretty sick lineup. All we need is that stuffer in the paint and we're set.

[KF10]

Possibly. I don't think he'll ever develop into a legit #1 option type but the better question is whether or not Wall or Turner, even if possible, will be able to as a player on this team? Turner in particular plays almost the same exact way Tyreke does. Slash, slash, slash, slash, pass, slash. Will we be getting another 20,5, and 5 type? Maybe, but will he ever have the chance to produce like he could?

I don't know.

But if there was a situation that either Turner or Wall is somehow available at our draft position, you draft them (Turner or Wall). It's simple as that.

We evaluate whether or not the pairing of (Tyreke/Turner or Wall/Tyreke) would work. It will not take a few games to come in conclusion. Possibly it will take a whole season to derive an accurate detail.

In my personal opinion, the major factor will come to this:

It will be entirely dependent on the progress:

-Tyreke's improving jumpshot
-Tyreke's improving playmaking

If he gets those things down, Evans can play with anyone. Sort of like LeBron James. James makes his teammates better despite having players that might need the ball to be successful i.e. Jamison and Williams (even though, Williams can play off ball). Evans will play the role as "LeBron" for this team. I can't see why a guy like Turner or Wall can't mesh a player with Evans.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson shoot up draft boards soon as workouts get underway. Turner looks a little small to me, Johnson has the size and strength to defend just about anyone that needs to be locked down.

Turner is still the better player than Johnson. I don't care what other attributes Johnson can excel. Turner (barring anything unexpected) is best overall player in the draft and 2nd as prospect (Wall). You don't turn that down for a 'nice' prospect in Johnson.