IND-MIN thought

[Sebzor]

J. Flynn/R. Gomes/R. Hollins/23rd/45th/56th
-for: T. Ford/R. Hibbert/10th

or

J. Flynn/R. Gomes/R. Hollins/16th/45th/56th
-for: T. Ford/R. Hibbert/10th/40th

thoughts?

I like it for IND they get their starting PG and have Price as backup, Gomes gives a capable backup for Granger + with the picks u could land capable rotation players (Hayward/Alabi/Williams/Ebanks/Lawal)

I like it for MIN they get they're big man rotation they need in Jefferson-Love-Hibbert open up PG for Rubio to come over in a couple of years when Ford comes of the books & Sessions as backup and select (W. Johnson (@ 4) & X. Henry (@ 10))

[laydo]

No. Since Hibbert is the only big man who can score in the paint of the Pacers, he is not likely to be moved.

[writerman]

J. Flynn/R. Gomes/R. Hollins/23rd/45th/56th
-for: T. Ford/R. Hibbert/10th

or

J. Flynn/R. Gomes/R. Hollins/16th/45th/56th
-for: T. Ford/R. Hibbert/10th/40th

thoughts?

I like it for IND they get their starting PG and have Price as backup, Gomes gives a capable backup for Granger + with the picks u could land capable rotation players (Hayward/Alabi/Williams/Ebanks/Lawal)

I like it for MIN they get they're big man rotation they need in Jefferson-Love-Hibbert open up PG for Rubio to come over in a couple of years when Ford comes of the books & Sessions as backup and select (W. Johnson (@ 4) & X. Henry (@ 10))

I don't think Hibbert is going anywhere, so I think this is highly unlikely to say the least. Hibbert looks like he can develop into a genuine NBA five, something pretty rare these days, and not to be given up lightly.

[jowglenn]

You posted this in a thread on the trades and transactions board, and it's pretty silly.

We would not trade Hibbert straight up for Flynn. Flynn has been a major disappointment compared to other guards of his draft, and you don't trade big for small. We would not trade down from 10 to 16 just to pick up the 23 and some late 2nd rounders. We don't need Gomes (though I do like him).

So we would never do this deal.

Here's the same counter-offer i gave on teh other thread:

Hibbert/10 for Flynn/4

[8305]

Cole Aldrich is looks like he will go between 5 and 7 in this draft and I think most of us feel like Hibbert is better. I'm not even that taken with our counter Hibbert and 10 for Flynn and 4. I would do Hibbert for 4 if Favors was there. Not sure I like Cousins better than Hibbert. I wouldn't trade 10 for Flynn. I think a legit starting 4 can be had at pick 10. I'm not convinced Flynn is a starting caliber point guard. I might do Hibbert and 10 for 4 + 16 and Sessions.

[Dunthreevy]

If we trade Hibbert (which there isn't a chance in hell we will do, barring some Godfather deal), who's our Center at that point? Foster? Give me a break.

[funkatron101]

We would not trade Hibbert straight up for Flynn. Flynn has been a major disappointment compared to other guards of his draft...

Major disappointment is an exaggeration.

Flynn - PER 36 mins:
PPG: 16.8
ASST: 5.5
TO: 3.6
STL: 1.3

Jennings - PER 36 mins:
PPG: 17.1
ASST: 6.3
TO: 2.7
STL: 1.4

Curry - PER 36 mins:
PPG: 17.4
ASST: 5.9
TO: 3.0
STL: 1.9

He's also playing in a system that doesn't cater to his strengths. I'm not sure that I am a fan of what Rambis is doing, but I think Flynn's numbers would be better if he were on the Bucks or Warriors.

[mizzoupacers]

I have no idea whether Minnesota would be willing to trade Flynn, but I wonder if they are interested in trading picks #16 and 23 for Indiana's #10.

[funkatron101]

I have no idea whether Minnesota would be willing to trade Flynn, but I wonder if they are interested in trading picks #16 and 23 for Indiana's #10.

I would think so. I personally want to consolidate them.

[DWCP2]

I have no idea whether Minnesota would be willing to trade Flynn, but I wonder if they are interested in trading picks #16 and 23 for Indiana's #10.

I would think so. I personally want to consolidate them.

I think this would be a definate if the Twolves fail to move up and get Turner away from Philadelphia. Xavier Henry is the #2 SG/SF prospect in this draft is set to fall anywhere from picks 10-14 and would be a solid plan B for the Wolves.

If the two sides can help Indy clear 3 million or so in salary room while moving the picks that would make the trade even better.

[8305]

Cole Aldrich is looks like he will go between 5 and 7 in this draft and I think most of us feel like Hibbert is better. I'm not even that taken with our counter Hibbert and 10 for Flynn and 4. I would do Hibbert for 4 if Favors was there. Not sure I like Cousins better than Hibbert. I wouldn't trade 10 for Flynn. I think a legit starting 4 can be had at pick 10. I'm not convinced Flynn is a starting caliber point guard. I might do Hibbert and 10 for 4 + 16 and Sessions.

If we trade Hibbert (which there isn't a chance in hell we will do, barring some Godfather deal), who's our Center at that point? Foster? Give me a break.

I'm a fan of Favors and what a truely athletic big does for a team. Look at Favors what is doing now and compare to what Jermaine O'Neal was doing after his rookie year. I think we would all agree that Hibbert's ceiling isn't remarkably higher than Rick Smits. If you buy into my logic of Favors = potentially O'Neal (which you may not) moving Hibbert for the #4 (if Favors is available) is a solid move.

[Gremz]

Sorry, but Flynn hasn't impressed me at all thus far. I'd rather we didn't target him.

[Grang33r]

From Chad Ford's latest chat....

Do the Pacers have any hope of getting a franchise type guy to join Granger in Indy?
Chad Ford (1:55 PM)

I actually think they only way it happens is to trade Granger (who's value is very high) and try to land two or three very good assets in return. If the Pacers could, for example, turn Granger into the No. 4 pick, 16 and Jonny Flynn ... I think you have to consider such a scenario. They will have lots of cap room in 2011, but the free agent class isn't off the charts and Indiana isn't a top free agency destination. I think the Pacers have to seriously think about blowing up the team all the way, and collecting lots of assets the same way the Thunder did.

Link- http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/32617

So, we would have Hibbert, Rush, and Hansbrough, 4th pick, 10th pick, 16th pick and Flynn..... hmm

Gotta assume we'd pick top 5 in 2011 as well.

[Scoot McGroot]

From Chad Ford's latest chat....

Do the Pacers have any hope of getting a franchise type guy to join Granger in Indy?
Chad Ford (1:55 PM)

I actually think they only way it happens is to trade Granger (who's value is very high) and try to land two or three very good assets in return. If the Pacers could, for example, turn Granger into the No. 4 pick, 16 and Jonny Flynn ... I think you have to consider such a scenario. They will have lots of cap room in 2011, but the free agent class isn't off the charts and Indiana isn't a top free agency destination. I think the Pacers have to seriously think about blowing up the team all the way, and collecting lots of assets the same way the Thunder did.

Link- http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/32617

So, we would have Hibbert, Rush, and Hansbrough, 4th pick, 10th pick, 16th pick and Flynn..... hmm

Gotta assume we'd pick top 5 in 2011 as well.

I'd have to think at that point we would have to consider it. Especially if we could then consolidate the 10 and 16 and maybe something else into the #5 from Sacramento and add Wes Johnson as well.

If we could somehow turn Granger into Favors, Johnson, and Flynn? We'd have to consider that. However, Granger into Flynn, Favors, Udoh, and a Paul George or other similar guy? Not so sold on that

[pacersrule08]

i would do that minny trade if that was offered to me

[MUpacersSIC]

I'd probably do that trade too. #4, #10 (our pick), and #16 plus Johnny Flynn would be decent value for Granger. I'd probably draft Favors at #4 (possibly the most upside of anyone behind Wall) and I think his athletic ability compliments Hibbert pretty well. At the 10th pick ideally I'd pick Wes Johnson, but he won't be available unless he has some medical issues that scares other teams away (which I don't think will happen). So #10 for me would probably be Xavier Henry. I think he is another young and athletic prospect that has a higher ceiling than Rush. The 16th pick would be a choice between James Anderson, Gordon Hayward (yes I know what people will say), Luke Babbitt, or Paul George. I think George has the most potential so he would be my pick.


Lineup:
PG Flynn/Ford/Price
SG Henry/Rush/D. Jones
SF George/Dunleavy/(Hobson)
PF Favors/Murphy/Hansbrough/McRoberts
C Hibbert/S. Jones/Foster

With this lineup we probably land a top 3 pick next year, but I think probably have more upside as a team overall. If this were to happen I think we'd try to trade Ford and Murphy right away and sure up our SF position. Oh and pick #40 I'd go with Darrington Hobson if available, and with our last 2nd rounder I'd just take and international and stash him.

ANOTHER CASE: If we did have the 4th pick I'd try to move up to the #2 and grab Turner and take on Brand. But I think Philly stands pat and just takes Turner.

[Boneman2]

In essence of this trade, our late-season winning streak cost us Granger.

The only Minn trade I'd do is the #10/Rush for the #16/23/ Flynn.

Rush and Flynn have similar value right now imo. I don't care where they were drafted.

A few mocks have Henry, Davis and Udoh falling to that 16 range so I'd be content with the possibility of one of them falling, if nothing else George should still be there. Then we can take BPA at 23 (Sanders, Hayward,Bradley, Bledsoe, Warren).

[[RCG]]

Per 40 minutes here are the averages (Points/Rebounds/Assists/Steals):

Flynn: 18.7 - 3.3 - 6 - 1.4
Sessions: 15.5 - 4.9 - 5.9 - 1.3
Gomes: 15 - 6.3 - 2.2 - 1.4
Ford: 16.3 - 5 - 6 - 1.4
Rush: 12.3 - 5.5 - 1.8 - .9

Ford and Sessions are very similar production-wise.
Flynn has 5.5 more pts, 4.2 more assists (8+ pts) and half a steal more than Rush (who out rebounds flynn) They do not have the same value as Flynn accounts for at least 13.5 more points for game than Rush.

Gomes/Flynn/#16 for Ford/#10
or
Solomon Jones/Rush/#10 for Sessions/#16
or
McRoberts/Rush/#10 for Flynn/#23

All seem to be more fair IMO especially considering that Indiana is down to one PG.

[jowglenn]

Gomes/Flynn/#16 for Ford/#10




Wait.... Really? Damn, it would be hard for us to give up ford, since he is essentially (based on your per-40 stats) as good as flynn, but since flynn is younger... yeah. I'll go for it.