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rafer madness wrote:can you elaborate a bit

mikero wrote:He's getting a max contract. Maybe he justs wants a nicer crib

torontosfynest wrote:on your first ever post you have some big news..Interesting.

NH wrote:Well considering ACC is already tearing down his posters, and Bosh jerseys are on sale everywhere in the city, not surprised he is moving out... who cares.. I rather not pay $133 million to Bosh anyways.. lets get some nice assets and hopefully have another franchise player come out.

darth_federer wrote:

NH wrote:Well considering ACC is already tearing down his posters, and Bosh jerseys are on sale everywhere in the city, not surprised he is moving out... who cares.. I rather not pay $133 million to Bosh anyways.. lets get some nice assets and hopefully have another franchise player come out.

Ive yet to see a scenario where paying Bosh the max would cripple this team. If teams like Miami (Pat Riley), NY (Donnie Walsh) and Daryl Morey are willing to pay Bosh the max, I see no reason why the Raptors shouldnt.

darth_federer wrote:

NH wrote:Well considering ACC is already tearing down his posters, and Bosh jerseys are on sale everywhere in the city, not surprised he is moving out... who cares.. I rather not pay $133 million to Bosh anyways.. lets get some nice assets and hopefully have another franchise player come out.

Ive yet to see a scenario where paying Bosh the max would cripple this team. If teams like Miami (Pat Riley), NY (Donnie Walsh) and Daryl Morey are willing to pay Bosh the max, I see no reason why the Raptors shouldnt.

Lawnmower Man wrote:
They want quality players, but they refuse to pay for them. They have a good player in Bosh, yet they seem to think that paying him the max will cripple this team. They also keep referring to this "flexibility" that we lose if we sign Bosh. Most people can't even elaborate on what "flexibility" you lose when you sign arguably the top PF in the game to a long-term max contract. Whether you pay him $9 million or $18 million per season, this team is over the cap. MLSE has shown a committment to paying over the luxury, so I don't really understand it when people are opposed to it, especially when 29 other teams would be willing to take him for max money (or trade for him if we really want to get rid of him at a later date).

Lawnmower Man wrote:

darth_federer wrote:

NH wrote:Well considering ACC is already tearing down his posters, and Bosh jerseys are on sale everywhere in the city, not surprised he is moving out... who cares.. I rather not pay $133 million to Bosh anyways.. lets get some nice assets and hopefully have another franchise player come out.

Ive yet to see a scenario where paying Bosh the max would cripple this team. If teams like Miami (Pat Riley), NY (Donnie Walsh) and Daryl Morey are willing to pay Bosh the max, I see no reason why the Raptors shouldnt.

Darth, you have to understand that Torontonians (for some reason) are the cheapest and most hating fans ever.

They want quality players, but they refuse to pay for them. They have a good player in Bosh, yet they seem to think that paying him the max will cripple this team. They also keep referring to this "flexibility" that we lose if we sign Bosh. Most people can't even elaborate on what "flexibility" you lose when you sign arguably the top PF in the game to a long-term max contract. Whether you pay him $9 million or $18 million per season, this team is over the cap. MLSE has shown a committment to paying over the luxury, so I don't really understand it when people are opposed to it, especially when 29 other teams would be willing to take him for max money (or trade for him if we really want to get rid of him at a later date).

Torontonians keep pointing to the small handful of elite players in the league as those who deserve max money over Bosh, but they ignore the players below Bosh who make well more than they should. Yet, whenever there is a low talent, high effort energy player on the roster (JYD, Bonner, etc) everybody wants to lock them up long term. I'll never forget the flack that Babcock got in the media when he opted NOT to sign Bonner to a long term contract, and signed him for a two year $4 mill deal. Best move during his tenure, but a typical reaction from Toronto made me shaking my head.

Robidua wrote:So bosh lived at the condos on Park Lawn, wont be mentioning which building exactly but he moved out earlier this week..

dagger wrote:I think you should consider that:

1) MLSE may be willing to pay tax, but that is not a limitless commitment. A few million, maybe, but building a contender with Bosh might require going deep into tax with uncertain results. And if the next CBA brings in a concept like the SuperTax - $2 of tax for every $1 over the tax threshold, it will be completely unsustainable.

2) Paying tax doesn't guarantee good results. I have seen few tax-paying teams move from the lottery to contending status. Usually, the opposite happens. Generally, teams become major tax payers when they already have a pretty good playoff-caliber base. Sometimes, like the Lakers or Celtics, it's a necessary leg up to a title. Sometimes, for teams like New Orleans or Washington last season, it fails miserably and forces a talent dump.

The Raptors never told Damon or Vince to demand trades. They never told Bosh to leave town. I believe the financial downside of losing Bosh is greater than the up-front cost of keeping him on a max contract, which is while I believe MLSE was serious about offering it to him.

But that assumed he really wanted to stay, and all the evidence is that he has wanted out since the all-star break, that he wants to find his personal best option. And for us, it will be a step back, but given the past two seasons, it's hard to make a claim that it's a huge step back. At most, it will be 10 fewer wins, compensated for with a significantly higher draft pick in 2011.