Hawks Dont Get It... Shaq should retire a Hawk!

bisonblu · Post #1 » by **bisonblu** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:47 pm

Hawks Just Don't Get It...Shaq should retire a Hawk!

Still overly concerned about money, an anonymous Hawks official claims interest in Shaq - they still don't "get it". You don't wait Shaq out! You don't make the same stupid mistakes you made with Childress. Shaq is a game-changer - you are either in or out!

Maybe word around the league is that Shaq is a pain in the ass. Maybe he is out of shape. Maybe he is done.....maybe, maybe, maybe.

Shaq is 7'3, 350lbs. and has a ring for every finger. 38 yrs. old is not ancient for a HOF big. Russell, Kareem, Malone, Chamberlain played as long as they wanted to and were effective. There is not a better match for both Shaq or the team.

When I hear the anonymous Hawks official talking about PR value, it makes me sick to my stomach. How about championship value? You are a 5th-6th seed with a doughnut in the middle. They are not mentally or physically tough. They don't know how to win in the playoffs. And they have no low post game whatsoever...Shaq fixes all this!

Waiting on Shaq to sign a $1.9M bi-annual exception or veteran's minimum is foolish. You want the big guy happy and motivated to take this young team to the Finals! Why are you bickering about starting, minutes or salary? Al Horford is the only All-star on the team??? Shaq can't be effective for 40min. anymore, we all know that - that's a red herring. An honorary start and finish resolves that - this is about money!

No, it doesn't make sense to trade Marvin to the Cavs, but it does for ZaZa. If not, you are basically saying ZaZa is better than Shaq. Not now, not in the future, not ever will ZaZa be better than Shaq. Or trade Bibby to the Cavs for Shaq. Throw in Mo Evans too.

As a franchise, we should be honored to have Shaq spend his last years in the Phipp. And the last thing we need is Rick Sund playing hard ball and losing again. This guy has options, his time is worth more than $1.9M. He can make reality shows for more than $2M, he can go to Europe, Japan and be a hit.

Why not here in the ATL? So, Sund can sit back and smirk about how much he didn't pay a guy that we really needed while we get pounded in the as by 30ppg in the playoffs?

They just don't get it...if they can't find $5M for Shaq, then they don't want anymore of my money. THAT'S FOR SURE...

D21 · Post #2 » by **D21** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:57 pm

bisonblu wrote:They just don't get it...if they can't find $5M for Shaq, then they don't want anymore of my money. THAT'S FOR SURE...

They can pay him 5M with the MLE, and be at 1.5M over the tax, and pay 1.5M of tax, with both being paid by the 3M they got from selling the 31th pick.
(there will still be other tax, maybe 2M).

td00 · Post #3 » by **td00** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:23 pm

Thanks D21...i asked that on the ajc blog earlier and got a response that it would cost 12M if the ASG signed Shaq to the MLE. And Shaq should be brought in here to show that they plan on taking on Miami and Orlando with a bigger inside presence.

I also think the ASG needs to save face as their promises to do whatever it takes questions their integrity as NBA owners.

This is not a rebuilding year, and LD shouldn't be given the opportunity to just taking us to the playoffs with a 4 seed. It has to happen within the next 2 years IMO.

I would hope the ASG is in this to win this. With the $$ they saved on the hockey side of things, they should be in good financial shape to take that chance.

If they don't someone else will.

popeye64821 · Post #4 » by **popeye64821** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:29 am

ring for every finger? last i checked he had 4.....kobe is the one with 5 rings....

johnny878 · Post #5 » by **johnny878** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:27 am

popeye64821 wrote:ring for every finger? last i checked he had 4.....kobe is the one with 5 rings....

ahh, the age old argument on wether the thumb is a finger or not

CALPURNIA · Post #6 » by **CALPURNIA** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:40 am

I also think Shaq would fix some of our inside problems but adding liderships, a great body, experience...
In addition, his presence will always be a plus for publicity. I am sure more tickets would be sold to see Shaq. Hawks games would have a new attraction for TV.

Teague-Bibbiy
JJ-Jamaal
Marvin-Evans/Smith
Horford-Smith/Powell
Shaq-Zaza/Collins/Siler

It does not sound bad, does it?

Harry10 · Post #7 » by **Harry10** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:01 am

i actually think that Shaq will be a 20/10 player next year.

i know he is old, but i think if he can just loose a few pounds and is highly highly motivated, he could be an all star center again

i think Shaq has the drive and will power to be an all star player again.... i think he is really pissed that Kobe got another ring and wants to get one more before he retires to tie Kobe.

D21 · Post #8 » by **D21** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:45 am

td00 wrote:Thanks D21...i asked that on the ajc blog earlier and got a response that it would cost 12M if the ASG signed Shaq to the MLE

Actually, it's not wrong if you look at the DIFFERENCE.
I made a estimation in the other thread and it leads at a minimum of 5.5M difference if you sign him for 3.5M or if you sign him for 5M.
It would be more 7.5M because of a hit even for one dollar over the threshold, and if you add 0.765M x 2 for the full MLE, it adds 1.53M so 9.03M

Link : viewtopic.php?p=24538911#p24538911

tiderulz · Post #9 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:32 pm

johnny878 wrote:
popeye64821 wrote:ring for every finger? last i checked he had 4.....kobe is the one with 5 rings....

ahh, the age old argument on wether the thumb is a finger or not

so do you tell people you only have 8 fingers?

td00 · Post #10 » by **td00** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:46 pm

Harry10,

I am not sure if I have ever heard such a bold prediction:

i actually think that Shaq will be a 20/10 player next year.

I don't see him getting enough touches or minutes to get those numbers. I would be happy with 1/2 of those numbers, because he is much better than a Zaza/Collins combo.

The question should really be can Shaq handle dealing with a rookie coach like LD who is going to making the tough decisions in the 4th quarter? Does LD have any say-so in this negotiation? He must, because we are still saying there's a chance!

J-Smoove5 · Post #11 » by **J-Smoove5** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:10 pm

CALPURNIA wrote:I also think Shaq would fix some of our inside problems but adding liderships, a great body, experience...
In addition, his presence will always be a plus for publicity. I am sure more tickets would be sold to see Shaq. Hawks games would have a new attraction for TV.

Teague-Bibbiy
JJ-Jamaal
Marvin-Evans/Smith
Horford-Smith/Powell
Shaq-Zaza/Collins/Siler

It does not sound bad, does it?

I like it and want Shaq a Hawk more than the next person but NO WAY Smoove don't start and Marvin starts over him NO WAY!! If so WOW

Go Hawks

JMAC3 · Post #12 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:13 am

Would you give up Zaza and Jordan Crawford for Shaq?

Skyhawk1 · Post #13 » by **Skyhawk1** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:49 pm

We just got swept by the Magic with D. Howard shooting 90% from the field and the Hawks management still wonder if we need a big that can actually have an impact. I have no idea what we are waiting for. That's when JJ's 120 M contract starts hurting.

azuresou1 · Post #14 » by **azuresou1** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:58 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Would you give up Zaza and Jordan Crawford for Shaq?

Hell no.