OT - Skins Thread

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:23 am

Snyder needs a big-name coach, a big-name quarterback, and a well-paid big-name defensive lineman.

I missed the game, but it doesn't seem like I missed much.

How's the new 3-4 defense working out? How about McNabb and his deal?

The Rams hadn't won a home game in years, right?

Post #2 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:32 am

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Wizards2Lottery · Post #3 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:52 am

The 3-4 switch is just awful. We have no one who can run it. Not even Orakpo.

closg00 · Post #4 » by **closg00** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:40 am

Thankfully I did not see the game, I already don't care. Bring-on Midnight Madness

btw, I like that we discuss the games here with our group.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #5 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:52 am

LyricalRico wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=182

I see that it makes all the sense to post in the Redskins FOOTBALL forum, but at the same time the month of September has all of 4 posts in that thread, LR. RealGM was around what, 6-7 years before it expanded to include NFL and MLB forums?

I'm on board with what you're trying to do, LR, but I know more people will respond here than there.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #6 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:53 am

Putrid performance. You could see it from the start with the defense sleep walking to start.

What is the frickin direction of this franchise?

At some point the Danny is going to have to bite the bullet and start from scratch.

Trade vets for whatever you can get in draft picks, stockpile the picks. Draft athletes and take your knocks for a couple of years. We suck anyway....but I'd rather watch Lorenzo A suck than Carter.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #7 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:54 am

Wizards2Lottery wrote:The 3-4 switch is just awful. We have no one who can run it. Not even Orakpo.

Seems to me that London Fletcher had a real nice career prior to the switch.

Everybody's down on Haynesworth, but is the switch on him?

Induveca · Post #8 » by **Induveca** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:55 am

Agreed on discussing other sports with the group we have here. The other sports boards are completely dead.......1500 posts in 3 years? Give me a break...........

RealGM needs to stick with what they do best, not the half-assed attempt they have made. If they wanted multiple sports boards "RealGM.com" should go to a multi-sports front page and not an NBA page. Illogical and a half-assed attempt to branch out into other sports.

They got their niche through hard work, the hard work seen attracting NBA posters has not been done on the other sports boards or areas, and that's why they are ignored.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #9 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:02 am

I lived in the St Louis area when Vermeil and Warner turned it around. They weren't even the Cardinals THEN. Why I called St. Louis the Cards is beyond me. Baseball association? I dunno....

What I do know is that when a crappy team like the RAMS kicks your butt, it's going to be a long year.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #10 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:25 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Wizards2Lottery wrote:The 3-4 switch is just awful. We have no one who can run it. Not even Orakpo.

Seems to me that London Fletcher had a real nice career prior to the switch.

Everybody's down on Haynesworth, but is the switch on him?

The only difference between Haynesworth and the rest of the defense is that Haynesworth is douchey enough (or man enough?) to speak out against a switch that fits no one.

Orakpo was a monster as a hands down DE in college. Majority of his sacks last year came when his hands were in the dirt.

Carter had double digit sacks last year as a DE.

Haynesworth for his injuries was playing well in the 4-3.

Fletcher is a TOP 3 MLB in the 4-3. McIntosh is an excellent OLB as well. Landry just needed to be switched to the SS spot and Kareem Moore looks be a nice FS.

The only glaring weak spot really was the SAM linebacker position.

But instead of addressing that, we completely flush all personnel down the drain and put EVERYONE out of position. We're going to spend years and draft picks on building a 3-4 defense. Creating unnecessary work for no **** reason. This is why I am absolutely apathetic towards this franchise now. They have no sense of long term direction.

P'Oed · Post #11 » by **P'Oed** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:11 am

-Can't get in the end zone, settle for field goals

-Defense that gives up too many big plays, long drives and can't get off the field when it really matters

-A below average offensive line

-A shakey special teams unit that has had more miscues than successes

-No playmaker at wide reciever

-Too much age

So what exactly has changed? Oh, that's right... absolutely nothing.

Higga · Post #12 » by **Higga** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:08 am

Pure talent wise we are a bottom 5 NFL team. And what makes it even worse is that we're ooooold. :cry:

hands11 · Post #13 » by **hands11** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:48 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Putrid performance. You could see it from the start with the defense sleep walking to start.

What is the frickin direction of this franchise?

At some point the Danny is going to have to bite the bullet and start from scratch.

Trade vets for whatever you can get in draft picks, stockpile the picks. Draft athletes and take your knocks for a couple of years. We suck anyway....but I'd rather watch Lorenzo A suck than Carter.

So your saying they need to do what the Wizards did. Maybe, but I don't think they do just yet. There is still plenty they can do with this group. I don't think they are getting the most out of what they have yet and they are still trying to get some basic things worked out like. New coaches, new systems and we lost on of the key players we couldn't afford to lose, Trent Williams.

But I'm not sold on them sitting to the 3-4 just yet. Not sure it fits what they have. They don't have a dominate nose tackle. Maybe they should play more 4-3. It's not like the players don't know that D. Also, they just got their FS Moore back so that was his first game of the season. They still don't have the RB situation worked out. Torain ran pretty well. It was nice to see speed and hunger from the RB position. And, well, there is Hanesworth.

Some of those things will just work themselves out in time. Williams will be back next week. Moore will settle in better his second game and even more moving forward. Last week McNabb was all over it passing the ball around. This week, he did ok to start but then they really pressured him. Plus, Torain in the backfield was a good thing to get started, but he couldn't pick up the blitz like Portis does. Hopefully he gets better. Its to early to say its something he wont get better at.

They actually didn't look as bad as it turned out. They did get jumped to start the game. Then they fought back. They got a pick. Another turnover. Blocked FG. Santana made some nice catches.

But then near the 3 minutes mark of the third. They just got out coached and out played. The crowd got into it and SL road it home.

Look, this team was 4-12 last year. We all know with a new coach, new QB, new systems that the start of the season was going to be tough. The Wiz may have a similar though start.

Not sure I'm sold on a few things that still need to get worked out and I'm not sold on the father son deal and young man Kyle as the OC. But I'm trying to keep an open mind for now.

This thing is still a process. I do support them getting some new legs running the ball. Larry Johnson and Willie Parker smell of Snyder. Got I hope not. Also, I'm not sure this team will ever totally gel until they get ride of Portis and Hanesworth. They both act like girls to much.

hands11 · Post #14 » by **hands11** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:55 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I lived in the St Louis area when Vermeil and Warner turned it around. They weren't even the Cardinals THEN. Why I called St. Louis the Cards is beyond me. Baseball association? I dunno....

What I do know is that when a crappy team like the RAMS kicks your butt, it's going to be a long year.

The RAMs aren't a crappy team anymore.

They have some top talent.

They have a great young QB. #1 overall pick that many say is a special talent.
They have an awesome RB. Lots like they even have some legs behind him.
The have a great middle LB.

I don't know the rest of the time inside an out but those are great places to have top talent. I think the worst for SL is behind them. Your going to start seeing them win a lot more games.

KiNgSbOi · Post #15 » by **KiNgSbOi** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:42 am

Why doesn't somebody just create a Skins' thread? Season is 16 weeks long. As for the game itself, well they dug themselves a hole early by going down 14-0 and then from there were playing catch up. They came close when it was 14-13 but after that it just didn't go well for Washington. I didn't watch the game so I can't put much evaluation into this game, but I am very confused on how they lost this one.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #16 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:34 pm

Suggested after last game, because NOBODY is posting in NFL Redskins forum:

KiNgSbOi wrote:Why doesn't somebody just create a Skins' thread? Season is 16 weeks long.

This week who will win, Redskins or Eagles?

My thoughts are that Snyder signed a 34-yr old Trojan horse, McNabb, who was gift wrapped with a bow on him from the Eagles. Mike Vick is 4 years younger and currently has a passing rating of 110 with 6 TD passes and 0 ints (to Donovan's 89 with 2 TD and 1 int).

Does anybody else expect the Redskins to get killed? Why or why not?

Post #17 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Oct 1, 2010 8:38 pm

If they couldn't stop a rookie like Bradford or even put any presure on him, ya gotta wonder how they're going to stop Vick. It could be ugly as the Skins defense is just horrible right now.

pancakes3 · Post #18 » by **pancakes3** » Fri Oct 1, 2010 9:26 pm

if we play QB contain like we did on bradford when he lofted that TD in on the rollout, we're going to give Vick career highs across the board.

i'd be interested to see how Hall handles DsJ. on paper, hall should be able to stick with him, but even one mental lapse results in TD's against that kid.

i'm worried about our 3-4 going up against vick actually. He's not just a mobile qb, he's damn near untouchable. even if we do get good pressure off the edges, the middle opens up into natural rushing lanes. Vick is athletic enough to run "between the tackles" without being brought down by an outstretched DE/NT's paw. That means fletcher has to play vick-suport from the middle zone, and he's definitely not quick enough to keep up with Vick.

I think with the absence of a formidable RB, maybe a base defense of a nickel spy, forcing vick to make reads, would be better than our blitz-happy 3-4.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #19 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Fri Oct 1, 2010 11:09 pm

Vick actually takes a lot of sacks though. His natural tendency to take off during any pocket pressure actually works against him a good amount of time.

I'm not buying Michael Vick yet. The guy did this often in Atlanta. Through out his career he's been a woeful passer who got by on his natural talents a lot. But he's a winner and he did a lot with some really bad Falcons teams. This is going to be an interesting game. We win and we are 2-0 in our division.

KiNgSbOi · Post #20 » by **KiNgSbOi** » Sat Oct 2, 2010 12:22 am

This game should be pretty interesting and close I believe. But, I have the Eagles winning this one, I feel they have more firepower than the Redskins can handle, Vick is very mobile and can move out of the pocket so Washington has to collapse on him and make him a passer. Redskins should be able to run on this defense so that should keep this game close. I look forward to watching this game and I hope Philly doesn't boo Donovan, he did nothing but good things while he was there. The least the fans of Philly can do is cheer him on and wish him the best of luck, except when he faces their own team. Philly either wins by a FG or a TD, not sure which one, but that's my 2 cents.