New York Jets at Detroit Sun, 11/07 at 1:00 PM EST

[kellmellus50]

Jets lost 9-0 last game we will win this game hands down.The lions have to much fire power.

[cochiseuofm]

I have tickets to this game, first game of the season I'll see in person, and am definitely excited to see the team play in person (or at all, since the Skins game was blacked out...)

With that said, the Jets held the Packers, who have an equally explosive offense, to 9 points yesterday. We're trotting in a quarterback who throws a lot of interceptions still in Stafford.

And Sanchez has looked very good in the games where his running game keeps the pass rush off of him. The keys to winning Sunday will really be to diminish the production of Greene and Tomlinson, as the Packers did, and to cut down on turnovers. With the D-Line playing like they are right now, the former should not be too much to ask for.

[Piston Pete]

Yep, the key to this game will be stopping their running game and forcing Sanchez's arm to beat us.

Likewise, we need to pick up their blitzes and hope not to turn the ball over.

[Liqourish]

^ What are you talking about, Stafford only has 1 intercepion this year.

Seriously though, I don't favor us in this game, even though we are at home, but I expect our team to come out motivated and keep their focus all game long. No reason not to play hard. If anything, this team has shown that it won't quit. Knock Sanchez around enough and he'll make mistakes our guys can capitolize on.

We need a good offensive gameplan... we need to get everyone involved offensively, especially with the Jets stout run defense. I hope Linehan is watching tape as I type.

How sweet would a win against the Jets be right now? 3-5 going into Buffalo?

[cochiseuofm]

Buffalo and then afterward a Dallas team that is playing like the season is already over to boot. If we win Sunday, big if but possible, we could be looking at two games we'd be favored to win to get back to .500. Lots to do before we get there though...

[kellmellus50]

Buffalo and then afterward a Dallas team that is playing like the season is already over to boot. If we win Sunday, big if but possible, we could be looking at two games we'd be favored to win to get back to .500. Lots to do before we get there though...

Sounds great 5-5 but i would not bet on it.

I like the Stafford and Sanchez match up will be an exciting game to watch hopefully it will be on tv

[Icness]

It's winnable but it won't be easy. Sanchez really had problems with the wind against GB and obviously that won't be a factor in this one. Jets have the best OL the Lions will see all year, led by the bester center in the game in Nick Mangold. Good test for Suh, Hill, & Williams inside.

For all the hype they get the Jets don't rush the passer real well and they are vulnerable to quick-hit screens and misdirection runs. This will be a game where the tight ends must be effective as receivers and where Stafford cannot stare down his target.

Anyone got the early line yet? My guess is Jets -3.5 and I'd have a hard time betting one way or the other on that one.

[ajaX82]

We could win this, certainly. But a pissed off Jets team worries me

[TSE]

If we pickup Randy Moss then we could run the freakin' table. Let's concentrate on that stage first. Wednesday can't come fast enough for me, but I bet the Cowboys will pick him up. Jerry Jones has been REALLY apologetic lately and if he wants to be able to say he put effort in to try and make something happen, then he has to claim Moss so he can say the one option that existed for a team that wants to do the near impossible was naturally an option that he had no choice but to take.

Think of it as a poker hand with $120++ million in the pot and you are pretty sure you have a beat hand and your opponent says for a lousy $3.5 mill you can take a bonus wild card. Well ok, sure what they hay, I'll take a card. In our case, it could come with a playoff berth if we hit it big, or it could bonus as a joker in nailing MIN. Only us and the Bears and the Packers get that additional payoff of turning a rivals once legendary hero into a weapon against them. That's the thing that really adds spice to the game, and when you get scenarios like that, in life or in games, you have to let nature take it's course at trying to develop a custom-fit beautiful destiny for you.

How do we know this Moss situation isn't a purposeful maneuver by The Universe in trying to make things right for a team that it feels it owes one to?

"A wise man once said that a rolling stone gathers no moss, however sometimes moss will fall right into your lap due to dumb luck and then you still get what you want, now it may not be right or fair but hell life's more pleasant to grapple with that conundrum as the lucky one, than complain about it as a jealous one."

[Icness]

TSE, you lost me there man. I thought you HATED bringing in old veterans in place of promising, unproven youngsters. Randy Moss is no longer a great receiver and he takes touches away from Calvin Johnson and Jahvid Best. Watch the tapes--he's just not getting open reliably anymore and his effort isn't even questionable anymore, it's bad. I've long defended Moss for his treacly persona but his body simply cannot back it up anymore. Notice how much better New England's offense is without him? That's not coincidental. Keep him as far away from impressionable young talent as possible.

[Piston Pete]

Yeah, rather give MarkoMitchell another shot before we bring in Moss. LOL.

[TSE]

TSE, you lost me there man. I thought you HATED bringing in old veterans in place of promising, unproven youngsters. Randy Moss is no longer a great receiver and he takes touches away from Calvin Johnson and Jahvid Best. Watch the tapes--he's just not getting open reliably anymore and his effort isn't even questionable anymore, it's bad. I've long defended Moss for his treacly persona but his body simply cannot back it up anymore. Notice how much better New England's offense is without him? That's not coincidental. Keep him as far away from impressionable young talent as possible.

It's a necessary evil in this particular circumstance if you want to say that you are giving it your best shot to compete THIS year. And we don't have to commit anything to Moss long-term, just bringing him in to take the wild card for trying to make the playoffs this year. I'm not expecting it and it's a long-shot, but we dont' need to discuss in this forum the strategy of losing games to root for draft position, so under the premise that we still want to fight the fight, then picking Moss up for a claim to try and shoot the moon is a highly logical play. We are essentially dead in the water as we stand, but with Moss, we are dead in the water with a wild card that COULD be the x-factor to blow us out. It's a small dollar investment with potential for giant rewards and I have no fear of it hurting Calvin Johnson, he's a true professional and isn't going to let the Moss crap bother him from what he's doing.

[chrbal]

He seems to be a "Whatever the Lions do, don't do that" kind of mentality. Or run the Lions like a fantasy league team.

[TSE]

Incorrect application of logic there. I defy doing anything that doesn't make sense. And it has happened to be that the Lions have done a lot of that in their recent past, and it is due to the poor quality of those decisions that I argue against them, not because they are Lions' decisions. The bad choices that we make is a broader category that I comment on than that of the amount of mistakes the Lions make, considering that not every decision the Lions make is a bad one. In fact this year I've said many times that the Lions have done a lot better job with their decisions and strategy than in the past. It still can be improved but they still get full credit from me for any of the things they do get right, like snagging LJ the DE and Alphonso, but then at the same token I bash them when we keep guys like Morris and Brown over Legarrette Blount. I'm not biased against the Lions in any way, I'm 100% fair in stating my opinion for each and every isolated decision as a stand alone decision.

[ElectricMayhem]

Jets lost 9-0 last game we will win this game hands down.

Buffalo and then afterward a Dallas team that is playing like the season is already over

Sounds great 5-5 but i would not bet on it.

So you think we will beat the Jets hands down but lose to either (or both of) the Bills or Cowboys? Which one do you think will beat us?

[TSE]

Jets lost 9-0 last game we will win this game hands down.

Buffalo and then afterward a Dallas team that is playing like the season is already over

Sounds great 5-5 but i would not bet on it.

So you think we will beat the Jets hands down but lose to either (or both of) the Bills or Cowboys? Which one do you think will beat us?

KM said he wouldn't bet that we would be 5-5. We are 2-5 now. KM taking the full condition of a 3 game win streak. KM won't bet on that. And it's smart not to bet cause the odds are below 50%. If we were even chance per game it would be 1 out of 8 for us to win all 3. For that condition to happen with a 50/50 shot you would pretty much have to assign us an 80% win probability in each of those 3 games.

[ElectricMayhem]

Well yes, but he was calling the first game a gimme. I was just curious how a win against the Jets is a given, yet a loss to either the Bills or Cowboys is likely.

I agree that it's not probable that the Lions will be 5-5...It wouldn't be even if they were favored in each game. It just seems like (s)he's taking a strange path of logic to get there.

[kellmellus50]

5-5 would be great but as TSE says the odds are against it and here's my logic that could derail one game.The lions special teams are horrible and if they don't improve that group they are going down and will lose a game because of it.
Thats why i am very carefull on predictions when i see a big problem with the lions team hopefully they will fix it and we will see the next 3-games.

Side note:Tight end Tony Scheffler did not catch one pass and stafford really did not throw to him much at all ,he is important to our offence.Stafford need to look for him more.

[cochiseuofm]

kellmellus50, our special teams are horrible? Do you mean a specific part of special teams? Because our kicker, Jason Hanson, is as reliable as they come and our return man, Logan, has been as dangerous as anyone the last few weeks, and had a big role in our two wins. So this isn't exactly a San Diego Chargers situation...

Also I find it a bit humorous that you initially said 5-5 is unlikely, TSE agreed with you, and then on your last post you agreed with him that it was unlikely we go 5-5. Glad you're on the same page with yourself.

I think 5-5 is unlikely as well mostly because winning this game against the Jets is going to be tough. But if we do beat the Jets, well then I'd expect them to beat the Bills and the Cowboys. If they want to contend for a playoff spot in 2011, they have to start expecting to win winnable games. And then deliver on those expectations.

[kellmellus50]

The last game the lions almost gave up 2 kick off returns for touchdowns ,they also gave up big yards on punt returns .Thats the area they have to improve is on returns.