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Post#1 » by king125 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:53 pm

Is David West someone we would want to target in the offseason? Is he worth $10 Million a year? Would he fit next to DMC?

Personally I am 50/50 on him. Dont know enough about his game other then what I see when he plays us which is good. He is not a dominating rebounder but he can score pretty efficiently. But he does have a little help from Chis Paul who is a better playmaker then what we have here. Major upgrade over Landry but for 10 Mill?

Kings have stated a bunch of times that they want to use that cap space and make the jump next summer. Would David West, Aaron Brooks, and a top 5 pick make us a playoff team?

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Post#2 » by ICMTM » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:07 pm

Age. He's 30, and will be turning 31 before next season. If it was a win now scenario then yes, but otherwise no.
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Post#3 » by ADoaN17 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:12 pm

I am also not sure on him. Just like Chandler, when he was on the NOH, they were all stars but when Chandler went tot the bobcat he sucked. It is judge their talent when they have such a great pg.
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Post#4 » by The Beam King » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:53 pm

Pass. I'd rather re-sign Landry for 2/3's the price.
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Post#5 » by wiltchamberlain » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:54 pm

It's kind of the same, certainly Paul has a big impact on how West looks. But on the other hand West is WAY more skilled offensively than Chandler, he has one of the best mid range jumpers of any 4's in the league. If we say hypothetically 10 mil is what it takes I'd be behind it. He's 30 but I think a skilled big guy like him could play at a very high level for the next four years at least.
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Post#6 » by longfellow44 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:09 pm

David west is basically a better version of landry, that will cost more and is much older. Kings would be better off targeting a player like andrea bargnani who would spread the floor on the offensive end and be able to block some shots, costs just as much as a west but is younger. I think he could be had for landry dalembert and greene. Which really wouldnt hurt our team.
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Post#7 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:16 pm

He only expects 10 million annually? Hell yeah! David West would be perfect for this team, depending on who we draft of course.
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Post#8 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:19 pm

longfellow44 wrote:David west is basically a better version of landry, that will cost more and is much older. Kings would be better off targeting a player like andrea bargnani who would spread the floor on the offensive end and be able to block some shots, costs just as much as a west but is younger. I think he could be had for landry dalembert and greene. Which really wouldnt hurt our team.



How much more? I think people are underrating the difference between both the talent level and the related cost of each player. West is >>> Landry in terms of talent, no doubt about it. Has a whole other part to his game that Landry doesn't have, play making ability. Nobody should forget what West was doing when CP3 went down. He regularly averaged close to 4-5 assists per game and showed what he's capable of. Add in that he's a terrific spot up shooter, a solid defender, and can make things happen when he needs to and you have a great combo for both Tyreke and Cousins.
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Post#9 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:23 pm

ICMTM wrote:Age. He's 30, and will be turning 31 before next season. If it was a win now scenario then yes, but otherwise no.



Here we go with the "over 30" thing again. Do you expect this team to start winning in 3-4 years? I do, and that will be right around the time a player like West is in the part of his career where he's ready to help a team win a ring. David West is a skill player, not one that relies on athleticism so he should have a long prosperous career.

As always, if the idea was to only add people under 30, guys like Doug Christie and Vlade Divac would never have played in Sacramento. You add players at that stage of their career to make that jump and hope that in 3-4 years everything else is in place to make a run.
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Post#10 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:26 pm

JCT522 wrote:Pass. I'd rather re-sign Landry for 2/3's the price.


And that's how teams stay behind the pack. You have a shot to make a jump up, you take it. Already enough quantity over quality issues on the floor, don't need them in the board room too. :wink:

Much rather have West at 10-11 million a year over Landry at 6-7 million a year. At least with a core of Evans and Cousins.
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Post#11 » by SacKingZZZ » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:30 pm

king125 wrote:Is David West someone we would want to target in the offseason? Is he worth $10 Million a year? Would he fit next to DMC?

Personally I am 50/50 on him. Dont know enough about his game other then what I see when he plays us which is good. He is not a dominating rebounder but he can score pretty efficiently. But he does have a little help from Chis Paul who is a better playmaker then what we have here. Major upgrade over Landry but for 10 Mill?

Kings have stated a bunch of times that they want to use that cap space and make the jump next summer. Would David West, Aaron Brooks, and a top 5 pick make us a playoff team?

Thoughts??



Don't like that part, if we have Evans, West, and Cousins that's more than enough offense we need shooters/defenders as it is, would be even more needed then.

I think he compliments Cousins and Evans very well. Terrific in the pick and pop, can pass, can shoot, can post up. He really can do a little bit of everything. Not great on the boards but Cousins should help in that department so I doubt we'll be cellar dwellers there anyway.

As always, depends on what the draft turns in. If we land a guy like Jared Sullinger or Terrence Jones, that could very well effect what this team does in relation to finding a compliment to Cousins.
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Post#12 » by OGSactownballer » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:03 am

I'm not a David West fan and really have never been.

I am not going to get into the argument of whether CP3 made him or he is inherently talented as that is pretty foolish. Of COURSE a PF looks better when you have a PG of that extreme quality to get him the ball in the right situations. That doesn't take away from the fact that he still needs to make things happen HIMSELF once the ball is in HIS hands.

The problem is that I see West as the slightly bigger and better version of Carl but still pretty undersized in the current NBA to be a PF. The other issue is that he is light on the boards and D. If you constntly have to bring JT in for 25-30 minutes a night to make of for his defensive deficiencies, then he really isn't worth that kind of payday, is he? Add to that the twin factors of his age and the potential changes in the CBA, and you have a really big time set-up to have a miserable fail in that signing at that price.

I just think that a $10 million/per starting contract can buy you (in the new CBA) a younger guy who is potentially a LOT better than David West.
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Post#13 » by FINGER » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:25 am

JCT522 wrote:Pass. I'd rather re-sign Landry for 2/3's the price.


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Post#14 » by longfellow44 » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:32 am

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JCT522 wrote:Pass. I'd rather re-sign Landry for 2/3's the price.


And that's how teams stay behind the pack. You have a shot to make a jump up, you take it. Already enough quantity over quality issues on the floor, don't need them in the board room too. :wink:

Much rather have West at 10-11 million a year over Landry at 6-7 million a year. At least with a core of Evans and Cousins.

Personally I hate the idea of resigning Landry. THe guy doesn't fit our team at all. He isn't much of a passer because he is meant to be a finisher, and while he does have a mid range game he is simply much more effective in the post, but because he isn't a passer when guys like Tyreke and Cousins are also in the post the offense becomes even more stagnant. I would much rather see us take a guy who spreads the floor and passes the ball.

I am all for the kings making a major push forward this coming year and obtaining vets to go with our youth, it is time to consolidate some talent. But, I want us to get the right mix of guys in place so that we can establish a core and begin winning games and going to the playoffs. I think the maloofs also NEED the kings to make a major push forward because at this point the kings are becoming extremely important to their future personal success.
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Post#15 » by =LarryLegend= » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:50 am

Rather Tayshaun Prince and Nene......with Irving or Jones......hmmm :D
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Post#16 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:36 am

OGSactownballer wrote:I'm not a David West fan and really have never been.

I am not going to get into the argument of whether CP3 made him or he is inherently talented as that is pretty foolish. Of COURSE a PF looks better when you have a PG of that extreme quality to get him the ball in the right situations. That doesn't take away from the fact that he still needs to make things happen HIMSELF once the ball is in HIS hands.

The problem is that I see West as the slightly bigger and better version of Carl but still pretty undersized in the current NBA to be a PF. The other issue is that he is light on the boards and D. If you constntly have to bring JT in for 25-30 minutes a night to make of for his defensive deficiencies, then he really isn't worth that kind of payday, is he? Add to that the twin factors of his age and the potential changes in the CBA, and you have a really big time set-up to have a miserable fail in that signing at that price.

I just think that a $10 million/per starting contract can buy you (in the new CBA) a younger guy who is potentially a LOT better than David West.


Once again, remember that stretch of games West had when Pual went down for awhile last year? Dude was up around legit all around star numbers. Still, the guy still does two very important things, and very well for his position. He can spot shoot, pass, and play defense. Undersized? Don't need to go through the list of every other PF in the league but he's not undersized. In fact, the way the league is these days he's probably one of the bigger ones at 6'9". He's got long arms too. Defensively he's solid on team defense and individually. New Orleans is one of the better defensive teams in the league and he's not a hindrance to that at all.

Bottom line, at 10 million a year (maybe even a little more), you're still talking about a guy that will retain enough value to move if it just didn't fit. Not seeing to many reasons why it wouldn't fit though. Could open a whole new avenue to Tyrekes pick and roll game, and Cousins post game as well.
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Post#17 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:39 am

=LarryLegend= wrote:Rather Tayshaun Prince and Nene......with Irving or Jones......hmmm :D


Great thing about it, is we could still land Prince too! Nene is probably a no go with that report just coming out saying he won't opt out and the Nuggets won't let him go if he does.

Prince and West this summer and we could be WELL on our way!

PG: Beno
SG: Evans
SF: Prince
PF: West
C: Cousins

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Post#18 » by pillwenney » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:46 am

Ehh, no West. We need a defender next to Cuz. I'd rather stick with what we've got for now and then see if Hassan can develop, because if he can, he'd really be ideal.
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Post#19 » by ICMTM » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:06 am

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ICMTM wrote:Age. He's 30, and will be turning 31 before next season. If it was a win now scenario then yes, but otherwise no.



Here we go with the "over 30" thing again. Do you expect this team to start winning in 3-4 years? I do, and that will be right around the time a player like West is in the part of his career where he's ready to help a team win a ring. David West is a skill player, not one that relies on athleticism so he should have a long prosperous career.

As always, if the idea was to only add people under 30, guys like Doug Christie and Vlade Divac would never have played in Sacramento. You add players at that stage of their career to make that jump and hope that in 3-4 years everything else is in place to make a run.


And in 4 years he will be 35. Name five players that were on the top of their game @ 35? Read the bold font. If we're going to bring in other people around him "ie" win now...YES. If we're talking about just David West, then no!! By the time we're competitive he won't be effective.
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Post#20 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:36 am

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And in 4 years he will be 35. Name five players that were on the top of their game @ 35? Read the bold font. If we're going to bring in other people around him "ie" win now...YES. If we're talking about just David West, then no!! By the time we're competitive he won't be effective.


Doesn't have to be on "the top of his game". We aren't asking him to be our best player, just a very good 3rd option which is what somebody making around 10-11 million a year is.

30 plus year olds on contending teams? Lets look at some contending teams. The Celtics have a 38, 35, 34, and a 32 year old as a major part of their rotation. The Mavs have a 38, a 33, and two 32 year olds making up a main part of their rotation. The Spurs have a 36, 34, and 33 year old in their rotation.

West won't likely be the type of player that loses all that much effectiveness since what he does is largely based on skill. You add someone like him this summer, maybe a Prince or a Battier, maybe make a trade during the season, use some more cap the next summer and wham, you're a legit playoff team with the right coach and system.

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