When we trade for Howard we'll win not 1, not 2, not 3...

[dopeismarcus]

Trade Westbrook/Perkins two 1st round picks for Howard...

Maynor/Jackson
Harden/Cook
Durant/Sefolosha
Ibaka/Collison
Howard/Mohammed

[Ricezilla]

You really think that is enough to get Dwight? Orlando will hang up before you're even done talking. The starting price would be at least Westbrook and Ibaka. Go post this on the Orlando message board and see the reaction. The trade you're proposing is beyond re.tarded.

[dopeismarcus]

You really think that is enough to get Dwight? Orlando will hang up before you're even done talking. The starting price would be at least Westbrook and Ibaka. Go post this on the Orlando
message board and see the reaction. The trade you're proposing is beyond re.tarded.

I already did and its not (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if Howard leaves for nothing.

[wiff]

You really think that is enough to get Dwight? Orlando will hang up before you're even done talking. The starting price would be at least Westbrook and Ibaka. Go post this on the Orlando message board and see the reaction. The trade you're proposing is beyond re.tarded.

If you get Westbrook you won't be getting Ibaka or Harden.

The only realistic package I see the Thunder giving up is Westbrook, Perkins, Thabo and a 1st rd pick or two.

This team made it to the Western Conf Finals as is. The Lakers are old, the Mavs are old, the Spurs are even older. As is the Thunder should be able to make it to the finals next year even without Howard.

Why gut the entire team when all they have to do is offer up a better package than any other team. If there is a better single player than Westbrook in any of the other packages offered I will be shocked. You'd get a guy to fill the void Howard left in Perkins, a nice affordable defensive specialist with Thabo and a first round pick or two.

Or I guess you could take Chicago's package with Noah being the best player. He has a pretty elaborate post game.

[slick_watts]

You really think that is enough to get Dwight? Orlando will hang up before you're even done talking. The starting price would be at least Westbrook and Ibaka. Go post this on the Orlando message board and see the reaction. The trade you're proposing is beyond re.tarded.

You are right it's not enough to get Dwight. I tried convincing them that Perkins isn't even someone Orlando would want in this scenario and brings the package value down.

If OKC wants Dwight it'd be Westbrook + Ibaka or Harden + maybe taking back Turkoglu. That'd be fair, and OKC would be a force for years.

[wiff]

You really think that is enough to get Dwight? Orlando will hang up before you're even done talking. The starting price would be at least Westbrook and Ibaka. Go post this on the Orlando message board and see the reaction. The trade you're proposing is beyond re.tarded.

You are right it's not enough to get Dwight. I tried convincing them that Perkins isn't even someone Orlando would want in this scenario and brings the package value down.

If OKC wants Dwight it'd be Westbrook + Ibaka or Harden + maybe taking back Turkoglu. That'd be fair, and OKC would be a force for years.

They are a force now with all the good teams aging. Why overpay? There is no way Presti gives up Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden and taking back Turky poo. NO FREAKIN WAY!

Slick show me a better package than the one I have mentioned. Who has offered a better package than that? Show me a package where the best individual talent in the package is better than Westbrook.

It's not about what is fair it's about what is being offered.

[slick_watts]

They are a force now with all the good teams aging. Why overpay? There is no way Presti gives up Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden and taking back Turky poo. NO FREAKIN WAY!

I wouldn't give up Ibaka and Harden in this scenario. One or the other. I think that's a fair price for Dwight Howard with an extension done or promised. We're talking about a perennial MVP candidate and a guy who makes his team a top five defense by himself.

Slick show me a better package than the one I have mentioned. Who has offered a better package than that? Show me a package where the best individual talent in the package is better than Westbrook.

First, the package you are proposing is worse than 'just Westbrook' since I envision Orlando seeing Perkins as having negative value for their rebuilding efforts post-Dwight.

Second, Orlando will be able to find a team to take Arenas off their hands at the very least and get an All Star caliber player in return. A big market team like the Lakers, Knicks, Nets, etc. would probably take back both bad contracts and give up a good player (or players) to boot (Lopez, Stoudemire / Anthony, Gasol / Odom). Westbrook might be one of the better players Orlando could acquire in a Dwight trade, but without helping out their financial situation or adding other components the total package will be worth less than what they will be able to get elsewhere.

It's not about what is fair it's about what is being offered.

Orlando will get better offers than Westbrook + Perkins if / when they put Dwight on the table. Don't be naive...

[wiff]

Well Slick so far I have only seen the GSW offer and the Adrew Bynum and Lama Odom offer. Neither one of them has a player who is better than Westbrook.

Let me put it like this Slick say you found out that there was this amazing house that is for sale for 625k. But you knew someone who knew the owner and they told you that the owner just lost his job is late on his mortgage payments. And even though the house would be appraised at 700k he only owes the bank 350k.

Oh you also know that the bank is going to foreclose on his house in two weeks. And you have been smart enough to save over 500k in your saving. That's 500k cash. Now would you make an offer of 625k on that house? Or do you think you might try to get it at a bargain Slick?

Because Orlando is in a bad way with Howard. They have him on the books for one more season and this lock out is going to be very very ugly. Word is now the owners are preparing for no basketball at all this up coming season Slick. That means Dwight walks for nothing. That means Orlando doesn't even get a chance to trade him at the deadline.

Now if the owner of the house still had his job he'd scoff at a low ball offer. But if he only had two weeks, even with another offer out there if your is less but all cash and the other offer needs the bank for it to happen. The likely hood of them taking your offer is very good. Because typically a bank takes more than two weeks to get a deal done.

I'm not being naive Slick I'm just not one to over pay for something when I don't have to and in this case I don't think I need to.

[slick_watts]

You wouldn't be overpaying. OKC is not the only team in the league. If Howard was really on the table and offers were really being considered, there would be competition for his services, in which case you're not going to get him for a bargain. In this case, Orlando wants as much as they can get, and every team in the league will be lining up to make offers for Dwight - some teams possibly even without extension promises. There's just no way OKC will get off the hook with an offer of Westbrook + Perkins for a guy the entire league will covet. Look at what Utah got for an unextended Deron Williams. Look what Denver got for Carmelo - half the Knicks roster - and that was in a situation where Carmelo only wanted to go there.

Nope, to get Dwight the Thunder or any other team will have to pony up by alleviating Orlando's financial straights. Proposing any Dwight trade that doesn't at least involve the movement of a bad contract is wishful thinking.

[wiff]

You wouldn't be overpaying. OKC is not the only team in the league. If Howard was really on the table and offers were really being considered, there would be competition for his services, in which case you're not going to get him for a bargain. In this case, Orlando wants as much as they can get, and every team in the league will be lining up to make offers for Dwight - some teams possibly even without extension promises. There's just no way OKC will get off the hook with an offer of Westbrook + Perkins for a guy the entire league will covet. Look at what Utah got for an unextended Deron Williams. Look what Denver got for Carmelo - half the Knicks roster - and that was in a situation where Carmelo only wanted to go there.

Nope, to get Dwight the Thunder or any other team will have to pony up by alleviating Orlando's financial straights. Proposing any Dwight trade that doesn't at least involve the movement of a bad contract is wishful thinking.

Name one player the Jazz or Denver received that is as good as Westbrook.

[slick_watts]

Name one player the Jazz or Denver received that is as good as Westbrook.

That's not the point. The Jazz received the 3rd pick in this draft (Enes Kanter), the 3rd overall pick from the previous draft, another future 1st, and an All Star PG in 2009 for Deron Williams who: A - is not as good as Dwight, and B - Gave no assurances to New Jersey that he will stay beyond his current contract.

Denver got three average to above average rotation players (Gallinari, Felton, Chandler), a first round pick, unloaded Billups' salary for Carmelo Anthony who A - is not as good as Dwight, and B - Would only extend with the Knicks.

Considering these two trades, I imagine the only way that OKC gets Dwight for your package is if Dwight comes out and says he only wants to play for OKC (which won't happen). OKC will be in a competition with multiple teams. Is Russell Westbrook better than any of those players in those trades? Yeah. But Dwight is a Top 3 player and will have more suitors than Carmelo (because of Carmelo's stubbornness) and Williams (because of the Jazz's secrecy).

[wiff]

Name one player the Jazz or Denver received that is as good as Westbrook.

That's not the point. The Jazz received the 3rd pick in this draft (Enes Kanter), the 3rd overall pick from the previous draft, another future 1st, and an All Star PG in 2009 for Deron Williams who: A - is not as good as Dwight, and B - Gave no assurances to New Jersey that he will stay beyond his current contract.

Denver got three average to above average rotation players (Gallinari, Felton, Chandler), a first round pick, unloaded Billups' salary for Carmelo Anthony who A - is not as good as Dwight, and B - Would only extend with the Knicks.

Considering these two trades, I imagine the only way that OKC gets Dwight for your package is if Dwight comes out and says he only wants to play for OKC (which won't happen). OKC will be in a competition with multiple teams. Is Russell Westbrook better than any of those players in those trades? Yeah. But Dwight is a Top 3 player and will have more suitors than Carmelo (because of Carmelo's stubbornness) and Williams (because of the Jazz's secrecy).

Actually that is the point Slick sure Dwight is better than Melo or DWill but Westbrook is better than any single talent they received. The NBA is a league where top tier talent wins games for you a lot more frequently than a role player does. Westbrook is a top tier talent.

So i guess we will just have to agree to disagree until something shakes out with Howard's situation.

[maginno]

I already did and its not (Please Use More Appropriate Word) if Howard leaves for nothing.

Yes you did post it to our board and we concurred with Ricezilla. It is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).. You seem to think its your trade or nothing like there are no other teams in the league that would make a play for Howard.

[maginno]

Slick show me a better package than the one I have mentioned. Who has offered a better package than that? Show me a package where the best individual talent in the package is better than Westbrook.

It's not about what is fair it's about what is being offered.

I already showed you one so you can go back over there with your trolling our board claiming that we should give you picks too. Timberwolves were looking to give up the second pick this year for a young center ala bynum. There were also a long period of rumours they would give up Love and take Gasol. LA could be even prepared to sweeten the pot more because no matter what happens they can't sign Dwight without a trade. So a three way with LA is not really that impossible and we could dump Hedo as well with a trade that very much works

So spare us the nonsense at this point that the only thing that we have is your scenario. there are no offer yet because the guy has not even said he is definitely leaving yet.

[wiff]

Slick show me a better package than the one I have mentioned. Who has offered a better package than that? Show me a package where the best individual talent in the package is better than Westbrook.

It's not about what is fair it's about what is being offered.

I already showed you one so you can go back over there with your trolling our board claiming that we should give you picks too. Timberwolves were looking to give up the second pick this year for a young center ala bynum. There were also a long period of rumours they would give up Love and take Gasol. LA could be even prepared to sweeten the pot more because no matter what happens they can't sign Dwight without a trade. So a three way with LA is not really that impossible and we could dump Hedo as well with a trade that very much works

So spare us the nonsense at this point that the only thing that we have is your scenario. there are no offer yet because the guy has not even said he is definitely leaving yet.

Oh but he is.

And Bynum or Gasol? Sure if you like a center who plays half the year or a PF who is well into his prime and EIGHT YEARS older than Westbrook. Eight years is an eternity in the world of sports.

[maginno]

And Bynum or Gasol? Sure if you like a center who plays half the year or a PF who is well into his prime and EIGHT YEARS older than Westbrook. Eight years is an eternity in the world of sports.

Sheesh your have been trolling our boards AND you don't read. We don't end up with bynum and gasol oh reading challenged one. its a three way trade and yes I would take the number two pick , Love and some picks maybe even a guard out of it to boot and we'd dump Hedo as well. do some reading before you claim to know anything here let me help you


http://losangeles.sbnation.com/los-ange ... -nba-draft

and

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... .notebook/

Get it now. Whats the one thing that would make LA push through with both - lets see what if they got Dwight in the process?

anyway I won't be coming back unless you continue to insist you have the right to troll our boards with your jokes about getting back picks and what you don't want to overpay. Don't care what you talk about on your boards but it really lacks the class I have come to expect from OKC to keep pushing it on the magic board. You asked and we answered now keep your arguments here where they belong .

[wiff]

Oh hey Slick tell me what Cleveland got for LeBron and what Toronto got for Bosh. What did PHX get for Amare?

Denver got a bunch of marginal role players for Melo. Really the only team that has fared very well lately in getting a return for their superstar has been Utah.

Heck what did the Lakers get for Shaq? Lamar Odom and Butler? Heck they traded away Butler before he was any good too.

So in the last year 1 team out of 5 got a decent return. Not the best odds.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it maginno.

[maginno]

Oh hey Slick tell me what Cleveland got for LeBron and what Toronto got for Bosh. What did PHX get for Amare?

Denver got a bunch of marginal role players for Melo. Really the only team that has fared very well lately in getting a return for their superstar has been Utah.

Heck what did the Lakers get for Shaq? Lamar Odom and Butler? Heck they traded away Butler before he was any good too.

So in the last year 1 team out of 5 got a decent return. Not the best odds.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it maginno.

all of those have one thing in common. None of them came to OKC. I'm enjoying myself puffing on that cigar.

and with that I bid you a fond farewell.

[HeartSouloma]

I already showed you one so you can go back over there with your trolling our board claiming that we should give you picks too. Timberwolves were looking to give up the second pick this year for a young center ala bynum. There were also a long period of rumours they would give up Love and take Gasol. LA could be even prepared to sweeten the pot more because no matter what happens they can't sign Dwight without a trade. So a three way with LA is not really that impossible and we could dump Hedo as well with a trade that very much works

So spare us the nonsense at this point that the only thing that we have is your scenario. there are no offer yet because the guy has not even said he is definitely leaving yet.

First Timber-wolves was willing to give up their second pick because, they have Micheal Beasley starting for them. Second Kahn said that he was not going to trade love for Gasol, so I don't even know were you got that from. And last how the hell the Lakers are going to sweeten the pot, when they had a injured Center and a soft big man?

This whole Dwight been traded thing is stupid, he don't even know which team he wants to play for but "Orlando". As of right now I would never trade my talents that made it to the WCF for Howard. Let the guy walk

[wiff]

Oh hey Slick tell me what Cleveland got for LeBron and what Toronto got for Bosh. What did PHX get for Amare?

Denver got a bunch of marginal role players for Melo. Really the only team that has fared very well lately in getting a return for their superstar has been Utah.

Heck what did the Lakers get for Shaq? Lamar Odom and Butler? Heck they traded away Butler before he was any good too.

So in the last year 1 team out of 5 got a decent return. Not the best odds.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it maginno.

all of those have one thing in common. None of them came to OKC. I'm enjoying myself puffing on that cigar.

and with that I bid you a fond farewell.

Funny thing is that I didn't bother reading it because it wasn't worth paying attention too because the draft has already came and went.

I'm sure you enjoy puffing on Cigar. I tell you what the guys in Orlando have the most unusual names. Who names their kid Cigar? Must be foreign.