Al Jefferson for Nash? Would you?

Ming Kong! · Post #1 » by **Ming Kong!** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:45 am

Nash has only one year left on his contract, but would you trade Al Jefferson for Steve Nash, just for his short term services and maybe a chance to win it all in a short window?

javaisfun · Post #2 » by **javaisfun** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:19 am

In a nanosecond. I think Nash's presence on the Jazz would be both entertaining and educational to our young players. Al's time here has often been the opposite.

Ugly0598 · Post #3 » by **Ugly0598** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:29 am

The Jazz aren't a team capable of winning a title right now with Nash-Burks-Hayward/Miles-Millsap/Favors-Kanter/Okur if that were to happen.

CAE15 · Post #4 » by **CAE15** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:36 am

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:The Jazz aren't a team capable of winning a title right now with Nash-Burks-Hayward/Miles-Millsap/Favors-Kanter/Okur if that were to happen.

clearly you have never seen me play nba 2k 8-)

but hell i dont need nash.

red4hf · Post #5 » by **red4hf** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:04 am

Such a trade would make zero sense for the Jazz......

Reckless · Post #6 » by **Reckless** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:00 am

if jazz want to win now they get rid of loser al and bring in a winner that is a good leader

but we dont want to win now, draft next year will reap big rewards

SUN · Post #7 » by **SUN** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:20 am

We'd do it, well.. yeah, I guess we'd do it.

outerspacefella · Post #8 » by **outerspacefella** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:46 am

I wouldn't do it. Jefferson's a very nice, young player to have. He deserves a chance to play a full clean season before being judged.

Last season was a nightmare in all possible senses. Derrona Williams was 100% into her full "primadonna wants out of here" mode. Even Sloan (who was the best Coach ever in my eyes) was fully engaged in his "stubborn yet kind of tired" alter ego.

If well mounted teams can win it all with Derek Fisher, Avery Johnson or an old Kidd and Barea running the show, then Devin Harris or any other decent dude should be good if the rest of the team is rounded with enough talent.

I really don't want anymore to watch one guy with the basketball in his hands 75% of playing time. It just won't work unless the guy is John Stockton spirit and talents reborned in a 6-4 190 superathletic tough dude.

Post #9 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:29 am

outerspacefella wrote:
I really don't want anymore to watch one guy with the basketball in his hands 75% of playing time.

Are you talking about Jefferson or Nash?

edfmx86 · Post #10 » by **edfmx86** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:32 am

HappyProle wrote:
outerspacefella wrote:
I really don't want anymore to watch one guy with the basketball in his hands 75% of playing time.

Are you talking about Jefferson or Nash?

outerspacefella · Post #11 » by **outerspacefella** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:23 am

HappyProle wrote:
outerspacefella wrote:
I really don't want anymore to watch one guy with the basketball in his hands 75% of playing time.

Are you talking about Jefferson or Nash?

Hell... that was cute I have to admit it :lol:

David Ginola 14 · Post #12 » by **David Ginola 14** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:25 pm

Jefferson X Nash and 1°pick 2012 (top 3 protected)...
I agree...

Trueblood · Post #13 » by **Trueblood** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:18 pm

I'd do it in a heartbeat. A lot of people are saying that Nash has no future with the Jazz but if you think about it, neither does Al if the team is really looking to a Kanter, Favors, Millsap trio as a 3 man inside rotation. Al is the ballhog who is the odd man out.

Plus, with Nash, you are creating more salary cap space. Assuming the worst and he bolts after a season, you clear all that money off the books and have much needed flexibility. With Al, you have an untradeable piece who hogs up cap space.

Problem is, Phoenix knows all this so it's a moot point. The O'Connor/Babby phone call would last 5 seconds at best.

ADWCTA · Post #14 » by **ADWCTA** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:57 pm

Only if we can then trade Devin Harris to someone for a solid 6th man quality C (or PF playing undersized C) at LEAST as good as Haywood, or spend our AK $ on one such player.

I don't want Kanter, Elson, or Fesenko as our starting C right out of the gates next season. Neither MIllsap nor Favors can even be a makeshift C, and that would really slow their development.

Post #15 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:15 pm

ADWCTA wrote:or spend our AK $ on one such player.

What AK money are you talking about?

My god, we're a few days away from the CBA expiring and some people still don't understand how it works.

ColdBlue · Post #16 » by **ColdBlue** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:20 pm

^ He is talking about cap space I presume.

Post #17 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:24 pm

ColdBlue wrote:^ He is talking about cap space I presume.

That's my point. What cap space?

ColdBlue · Post #18 » by **ColdBlue** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:13 am

HappyProle wrote:
ColdBlue wrote:^ He is talking about cap space I presume.

That's my point. What cap space?

The hypothetical one of the future that will be relatively similar to the one we have now.

Post #19 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:33 am

ColdBlue wrote:
HappyProle wrote:
ColdBlue wrote:^ He is talking about cap space I presume.

That's my point. What cap space?

The hypothetical one of the future that will be relatively similar to the one we have now.

Committed salary for next year, BEFORE signing the two lottery picks and NOT counting C.J. Miles' team option is already at about $53M. Add in C.J. Miles' option at $3.7M, a rookie deal for Kanter that under the current CBA would be about $4M, and a deal for Burks that would be about $2.5M and you're sitting somewhere around $63M.

The cap last year was $58M.

63 > 58

So even if the current CBA were extended a year the Jazz wouldn't have any cap space.

I think the confusion comes because people assume that when a big contract like AK goes off the books that the Jazz will be able to re-use that money. That's just a lack of understanding of some of the fundamentals of the soft-cap system the NBA has functioned in for over a decade now. And it's why I question people when they flippantly say that a hard cap would really help the Jazz.

The59Sound · Post #20 » by **The59Sound** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:51 am

Yeah, hard cap would be awful for the Jazz, in my view. We've been consistently among the top 1/3 in the league in payroll recently.