Whats The Blue Jays All-Time Team?

[Waylon Mercy]

C - ?
1B - ?
2B - ?
SS - ?
3B - ?
CF - ?
LF ?
RF - ?
DH - ?

SP - ?
SP - ?
SP - ?
SP - ?
SP - ?

Closer - ?
Set Up Man - ?
RP - ?
RP - ?
RP - ?
RP - ?
RP - ?

UTIL - ?
UTIL - ?
UTIL - ?
UTIL - ?

Criteria: Over all talent and contribution to the team on the field

[satyr9]

C-E.Whitt (who knows, this is the toughest spot IMO)
1B-C.Delgado
2B-R.Alomar
3B-J.Bautista (I'm cheating)
SS-T.Fernandez
LF-G.Bell
CF-V.Wells (I'd love to put L.Moseby here, but I'm trying to be fair)
RF-J.Barfield
DH-P.Molitor (maybe J.Olerud if I wanted to cheat again)

SP-R.Halladay
SP-R.Clemens
SP-D.Stieb
SP-J.Key
SP-J.Guzman (lots for this spot. I'm probably missing at least 1 guy who should be over Juan, but he was too much fun)

CP-T.Henke
SU-D.Ward
RP-M.Eichorn

after that I don't care, except you gotta have R.Mulliniks on the bench.

[dauv1978]

1B: Carlos Delgado
2B: Roberto Alomar
SS: Tony Fernades
3B: Kelly Gruber
DH: Paul Molitor
LF: George Bell
CF: Devon White
RF: Jose Bautista
C: Pat Borders

1SP: Roy Halladay
2SP: Dave Steib
3SP: Roger Clemens
4SP: Pat Hentgen
5SP: Juan Guzman

CP: Tom Henke
RP: To many to remeber

[gei]

Funny how close our all-time team is to our 92-93 team. Man.. those were the days...

[Waylon Mercy]

C - Pat Borders
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Roberto Alomar
SS - Tony Fernandez
3B - Kelly Gruber
CF - Devon White
LF - George Bell
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Joe Carter (Gotta have Joe and he DH'd sometimes)

SP - Dave Steib
SP - Roy Halladay
SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Pat Hengten
SP - Jimmy Key

Closer - Tom Henke
Set Up Man - Duane Ward
RP - Mike Timlin
RP - David Wells
RP - Paul Quantrill
RP - Mark Eichorn
RP - Jason Frasor (All Time leader in appearances)

UTIL - Vernon Wells
UTIL - Ernie Whitt
UTIL - Paul Molitor
UTIL - Lloyd Moseby

[Randle McMurphy]

C- Ernie Whitt
1B- Carlos Delgado
2B- Roberto Alomar
SS- Tony Fernandez
3B- Jose Bautista
LF- George Bell
CF- Vernon Wells
RF- Jesse Barfield
DH- John Olerud

Bench- Pat Borders
Bench- Fred McGriff
Bench- Rance Mulliniks
Bench- Lloyd Moseby

SP- Roy Halladay
SP- Dave Steib
SP- Roger Clemens
SP- Pat Hentgen
SP- Jimmy Key

CP- Tom Henke
RP- Duane Ward
RP- Paul Quantrill
RP- Mike Timlin
RP- Billy Koch
RP- BJ Ryan
RP- Jason Frasor

[satyr9]

Looking at your bench and RPs that's about right to me, although you conveniently have 2 DHs.
oops, Paul's gone now.

Hentgen I can't argue with, but when I'm remembering SPs the first 2-3 years of Guzman made me much happier than even Hentgen's Cy year. And Eichorn!!!! A 5+ WAR season in relief, that's the sum total of my argument for him. Okay, to be honest I just looked that up. How is it possible that he threw 157 innings in a year without a game started? Over 2 IP a relief appearance almost 70 times boggles my mind. I remember thinking he was awesome, but I was like 8-10 years-old at the time, so I wasn't paying attention to IP thrown by a relief pitcher.

[Randle McMurphy]

Was going to have Molitor first, but then I thought, Olerud could fill the DH spot. He was a great hitter for a good stretch for the Jays.

[PJTucker]

C - Ernie Whitt
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Roberto Alomar
SS - Tony Fernandez
3B - Kelly Gruber
LF - George Bell
CF - Devon White
RF - Joe Carter
DH - Paul Molitor

SP - Roy Halladay
SP - Dave Steib
SP - Juan Guzman
SP - "Diamond" Jim Clancy
SP - Jimmy Key

RP - Mark Eichorn
RP - David Wells
RP - Duane Ward
RP - Scott Downs
CP - Tom Henke

Bench - Damaso Garcia, Pat Borders, Jesse Barfield, John Olerud, Fred McGriff

[illy]

you guys got LF wrong. you guys forgot Jacob Brumfield

[Waylon Mercy]

C - Ernie Whitt
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Roberto Alomar
SS - Tony Fernandez
3B - Kelly Gruber
LF - George Bell
CF - Devon White
RF - Joe Carter
DH - Paul Molitor

SP - Roy Halladay
SP - Dave Steib
SP - Juan Guzman
SP - "Diamond" Jim Clancy
SP - Jimmy Key

RP - Mark Eichorn
RP - David Wells
RP - Duane Ward
RP - Scott Downs
CP - Tom Henke

Bench - Damaso Garcia, Pat Borders, Jesse Barfield, John Olerud, Fred McGriff

No Bautista?

[Lateral Quicks]

I won't soon forget the Jays having the best three hitters by average that year, nor Olerud's quest for .400.

Position players look right, but for the rotation I'd take out short-termer Clemens.

I'd go:

Halladay
Stieb
Hentgen
Key
Clancy

And in a few years I'd probably replace one the latter two with Romero. No offense to those last two but it's odd in 30+ years we don't have better pitchers to include in this list.

[Randle McMurphy]

The thing about Clemens is that he was so good in his two seasons that I think he has to be included over relatively mediocre pitchers. It's no different than really including Bautista at this point.

[Lateral Quicks]

The thing about Clemens is that he was so good in his two seasons that I think he has to be included over relatively mediocre pitchers. It's no different than really including Bautista at this point.

Yeah that's always the problem with these sorts of lists. The criteria I usually go by is whether the player, if inducted into the hall of fame, would go in as a Blue Jay. For a guy like Clemens, it obviously wouldn't be as a Blue Jay.

Then again, on that criteria alone maybe we shouldn't include Halladay, because he could always go in as a Philly since he's had more team success with them.

[distracted]

The thing about Clemens is that he was so good in his two seasons that I think he has to be included over relatively mediocre pitchers. It's no different than really including Bautista at this point.

Yeah that's always the problem with these sorts of lists. The criteria I usually go by is whether the player, if inducted into the hall of fame, would go in as a Blue Jay. For a guy like Clemens, it obviously wouldn't be as a Blue Jay.

Then again, on that criteria alone maybe we shouldn't include Halladay, because he could always go in as a Philly since he's had more team success with them.

I always view these as best season by a Blue Jay. In some ways, it'd be fun to add a year beside the player's name as well. Even if it was only 1 year, but he was MVP that year, I think it should count. Bill Simmons (who I know everyone has a love hate relationship with) did this in his basketball book naming the Space Jam team. Made for an interesting read.

[Homer Jay]

C: Ernie
1B: Delgado
2B: Robbie
SS: Tony
3B: Gruber
LF: Jorge
CF: Vernon
RF: Bautista
DH: Johnny O
Pinch Hitter: McGriff
Utility 1B/3B: Molitor
Utility 2B/SS: Manny Lee
Fourth OF: Devon
Pinch Runner: Rickey Henderson

Starting Rot:
Halladay
Clemens
Hentgen
Stieb
Wells

BP:
Henke
Ward
Quantrill
Plesac
Downs
Frasor
Eichorn

[PJTucker]

No Bautista?

Too soon. I'd put both Barfield and Carter ahead of him in the OF (he's not even close to Bell yet). I can see the arguement for putting him at 3rd though.

[baulderdash77]

C - Pat Borders
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Roberto Alomar
SS - Tony Fernandez
3B - Kelly Gruber
CF - Vernon Wells
LF - George Bell
RF - Jose Bautista
DH - Joe Carter

SP - Dave Steib
SP - Roy Halladay
SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Pat Hengten
SP - Jimmy Key

Closer - Tom Henke
I'm not getting into middle relief.

[Michael Bradley]

Clemens has to be included. He put up two of the best seasons I have ever seen, especially 1997. Clemens was awesome in Toronto and those two seasons on their own warrants him being on this list (whether he juiced or not).

Halladay-Clemens-Steib-Key-Hentgen is my rotation.

[hyper316]

dont mean to derail, but All-Time list is pretty much set. i'd be interested to see the Jays All-Time Worst Team