MIN - NOH (Kaman)

[shrink]

I personally wouldn't do this trade, but ..

MIN GETS: Kaman

NOH GETS: Webster + Brad Miller + $4 mil TPE + rights to swap MIN and UTA picks

WHY FOR MIN? They get a center to try to make the play-offs this year, and could perhaps convince him to re-sign here more cheaply, if he looks good. This clears $1.4 mil of 2012 cap space regardless, because we don't need to do buy-outs.

WHY FOR NOH? They save the pro-rated difference of the $4 mil salary difference this year, plus they get a $4 mil TPE, but have to pay buy-outs. Webster looked interesting last night, and Brad Miller said he'd retire after this season - he might take a buy-out from NOH to retire now if traded. The rights to make a pick-swap protect them if MIN makes the play-offs .. which they may anyway without this trade. In any case, the chance to move up in the mid-lottery is valuable.

MIN GETS: $14 mil Kaman
NOH GETS: $10 mil Miller + Webster + $1.4 mil buy-out

[dukeknicksirish]

Love it...

[Klomp]

We wouldn't do it because I'm pretty sure our staff is really high on Martell.

[C.lupus]

We wouldn't do it because I'm pretty sure our staff is really high on Martell.

And Adelman and Miller have a thing going on. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Miller on Adelman's staff after he retires (maybe not right away but...)

[shrink]

We wouldn't do it because I'm pretty sure our staff is really high on Martell.

And Adelman and Miller have a thing going on. :wink: I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Miller on Adelman's staff after he retires (maybe not right away but...)

I was impressed with Webster.

If the trade went down, I could see Brad Miller retiring and taking a job as an assistant coach immediately, and not even buying a plane ticket to OKC.

Anyone you'd replace Webster with to make this fly?

[C.lupus]

Tolliver and Randolph? Both expirings I believe.

[Fire Mchale]

I think I pass. I need to see more of Martell to know what we have and I'm just not sure if a half season rental of Kaman is that push we need to make the playoffs. As it sits, production from our centers hasn't been the issue. It's our abysmal production from the 2 and 3 spots that's killing us. Webster might provide some help and Beasley looked like he wanted to be an NBA player last night so who knows. Either way, Kaman is an improvement but not a big enough nor long enough improvement to merit giving up assets for IMO.

[breatnach]

We wouldn't do it because I'm pretty sure our staff is really high on Martell.

And Adelman and Miller have a thing going on. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see Miller on Adelman's staff after he retires (maybe not right away but...)

I was impressed with Webster.

If the trade went down, I could see Brad Miller retiring and taking a job as an assistant coach immediately, and not even buying a plane ticket to OKC.

Anyone you'd replace Webster with to make this fly?

Why would he want to fly to OKC? To see a Thunder game?

Sorry for trolling, I know what you meant, but I thought it was funny, cos a while back you kept switching OKC and NOH in a trade proposal

EDIT: To add just a teeny-tiny bit of value to my post I really like the option to trade picks. This could be our creative solution to getting Eric Gordon, since everyone says NOH won't trade with us, as to not decrease the value of our pick.

That said, I doubt there will be much difference between us and Utah (both competing for the 8th seed IMO) Could we perhaps offer an option for NOH to pick between MEM + UTAH for our own?

[The J Rocka]

Shrink's trade with a twist:

MIN GETS: Ben Gordon

NOH GETS: Webster + Brad Miller + $4 mil TPE + rights to swap MIN and UTA picks

DET GETS: Chris Kaman

We get the SG we need to put next to Rubio. Hornets get non-guaranteed contracts + pick swap. Pistons get the hometown player Kaman and are able to dump Gordon and go into full rebuilding mode

[Fire Mchale]

Shrink's trade with a twist:

MIN GETS: Ben Gordon

NOH GETS: Webster + Brad Miller + $4 mil TPE + rights to swap MIN and UTA picks

DET GETS: Chris Kaman

We get the SG we need to put next to Rubio. Hornets get non-guaranteed contracts + pick swap. Pistons get the hometown player Kaman and are able to dump Gordon and go into full rebuilding mode

I'm against virtually any deal that brings Ben Gordon to MN. I would rather roll with what have and use that money on a FA. Ben Gordon isn't enough of a game-changer to give up any sort of asset AND pay him.

[younggunsmn]

You're impressed with webster's 4/15 chuckfest and turnstile d on kobe?

Sadly I think Adelman's manlove for miller and webster precludes any kaman trade, lest miller agrees to be bought out by NOH and returns as some type of player development assistant. Cuz the Hornets aren't taking Darko.

Ish, ick, hell no to ben gordon. Not only are his contract and game awful, his shoulder is pretty messed up.

I can see Kaman being a fit in det though. But they have no expirings to offer and no one is taking gordon or villanueva without them attaching a protected 1st to them or eating a worse contract.

[shrink]

You're impressed with webster's 4/15 chuckfest and turnstile d on kobe?

Sadly I think Adelman's manlove for miller and webster precludes any kaman trade, lest miller agrees to be bought out by NOH and returns as some type of player development assistant. Cuz the Hornets aren't taking Darko.

Ish, ick, hell no to ben gordon. Not only are his contract and game awful, his shoulder is pretty messed up.

I can see Kaman being a fit in det though. But they have no expirings to offer and no one is taking gordon or villanueva without them attaching a protected 1st to them or eating a worse contract.

I was impressed with Webster's energy, but I may just be desperate to see that in a SG in a wolves uniform. After so many games off, I'm not surprised by his mistakes.

I'm no fan of Ben Gordon with that contract. DET doesn't have the incentive to give us to take him, and we don't have the bad contract(s) we'd need to include in a deal to balance it on our end.

I'm a fan of my idea to offer a pickswap of the MIN and UTA pick, to open the trade doors between our team and NOH. I think there are a lot of combinations that could work.

I though C.lupus idea might work. I would have hoped we would do better with Anthony Randolph.

It sounds to me that we don't quite have the pieces - a neutral value expiring. That isn't the hardest thing to acquire, and what we may be looking at is a three-teamer.

MIN GIVES: Brad Miller + Tolliver + Randolph + (rights to pick swap MIN/UTA 1sts)
MIN GETS: Kaman + late 1st

NOH GIVES: Kaman
NOH GETS: Brad Miller + Tolliver + <neutral expiring> + (rights to pick swap MIN/UTA 1sts) + $5 mil savings

THIRD TEAM GIVES: neutral expiring + late 1st
THIRD TEAM GETS: Anthony Randolph

[[RCG]]

Shrink's trade with a twist:

MIN GETS: Ben Gordon

NOH GETS: Webster + Brad Miller + $4 mil TPE + rights to swap MIN and UTA picks

DET GETS: Chris Kaman

We get the SG we need to put next to Rubio. Hornets get non-guaranteed contracts + pick swap. Pistons get the hometown player Kaman and are able to dump Gordon and go into full rebuilding mode

Pistons get to dump Gordon for nothing? I think they should at least send out a protected 1st and I'm not interested in giving Hornets the better of our pick.

[The J Rocka]

I think Gordon will go back to his Bulls days once he leave the Pistons. If we can't get Martin, Iggy, or Eric Gordon, then I'd take in Ben Gordon. It remains to be seen what kind of FA we can pull with Rubio now on the team but we talk every year about cutting money for these FAs but never really capitalize.

The way I look at is if we can't find anything else, I'd take him for 2.5 seasons. Yeah he's overpayed but who isn't? Rather have him than watch Ridnour, Ellington, or Johnson play SG another year. We could go for a Courtney Lee type SG but I don't see that helping us as much. He gets a lot of heat on here and it was just an idea if all else fails.