Is John Wall untradeable?

[ty123]

Is John Wall untouchable? If not what would it take to move him?

[7-Day Dray]

I wouldn't say so. It depends what we would be getting back in the deal, but I wouldn't trade him right now. But I wouldn't say he's untouchable.

[queridiculo]

Wall is untouchable.

[JonathanJoseph]

Wall is untradeable right now, but for all the wrong reasons.

[7-Day Dray]

Wall is untradeable right now, but for all the wrong reasons.

Unless you were being sarcastic, you're going really overboard with that statement. Despite his struggles, he still holds a lot of trade value.

[JonathanJoseph]

Wall is untradeable right now, but for all the wrong reasons.

Unless you were being sarcastic, you're going really overboard with that statement. Despite his struggles, he still holds a lot of trade value.

Wall holds trade value, but no one would give up anything near the "franchise PG" #1 overall pick status that Wall carries. So there's no way that anyone is going to offer the Wiz anything of significant value with Wall playing the way he's played this year and thus no realistic path to a trade. Wiz just gotta hope this is a bad nightmare and he turns it around.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

John Wall, Rashard Lewis, Andray Blatce to the Lakers for Pau Gasol, Steve Blake, Ron Artest, 2012 1st round pick, and a 2014 1st round pick.

--Gets rid of two bad contracts and gets a top-10 PF plus two firsts in a year where the Wizards are very likely to also have a top-5 pick.

--You guys who say Wall is untouchable are the very same people who said Wall for Kyrie Irving and a 1st was a bad idea.

--The second 1st can select Damian Hillard, Kendall Marshall, Bradley Beal or some other good player. The Wizards can pick any number of UFA PGs over the summer. Nash, Kidd, Billups, and about a dozen others.

I told you guys Cousins would be great and Wall wasn't even the best player on his team at Kentucky and you STILL don't believe me. But I bet you're starting to respect my judgment even if you hate my smugness.

Wall is absolutely tradeable.

[queridiculo]

CCJ, Wall has just under a season under his belt averaging 16ppg, 8ast and 5 rebounds. That's despite a considerably flaw in his game, THAT EVERYBODY WAS WELL AWARE OFF, and absolutely no help around him.

I will never understand how you can be so fiercely loyal towards your darling players, and are ready to throw anybody under the bus for whom you don't share the same enthusiasm.

That bi-polar tendency makes it very tough to take you serious in a discussion like this.

Cousins being great... boy, you don't really watch any games other than the Wizards huh?

[hands11]

No he is not untradable. As for what you could get for him, ideas have been posted since we had the pick to get him.

I think the question you are really trying to gauge the board about is, would you consider trading Wall now and for what ?

[FAH1223]

Wall is absolutely tradeable. But with that said, I want to see Wall play with legitimate NBA starters and a different coaching system that doesn't rely on jump shot BS that Flip and his staff use before I trade him.

CCJ, Gasol won't have any motivation to play here. The guy has his 2 rings and would check out. He is fragile mentally despite his talent and skill plus he is going to be 32. I know big men of his skill can play for many more years but I'd rather get someone who would be hungrier and tougher at the PF position.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think the best bet is not any Pau trade but to sign a really young FA PF like Ryan Anderson, and just keep Wall for now.

The best Wall trade IMO would be one where you can get a player like Jrue Holiday or Seth Curry plus a pick for Wall. Get a young guy who's arguably as good plus something extra because Wall's physical talent suggests he could really improve a lot in time.

I would wait until right before the trade deadline to make any move with Wall. My gut says trade this kid because he's not a leader. He's the Rudy Gay of PGs. All world physical talent but not elite. My conservative brain says the rest of the Wizards suck. Be patient with Wall. However, my heart says my first impression, this kid would struggle against other NBA PGs, has been more than right. This player is not THE GUY to build a franchise around IMO. Not right now.

[JonathanJoseph]

I think the best bet is not any Pau trade but to sign a really young FA PF like Ryan Anderson, and just keep Wall for now.

The best Wall trade IMO would be one where you can get a player like Jrue Holiday or Seth Curry plus a pick for Wall. Get a young guy who's arguably as good plus something extra because Wall's physical talent suggests he could really improve a lot in time.

I would wait until right before the trade deadline to make any move with Wall. My gut says trade this kid because he's not a leader. He's the Rudy Gay of PGs. All world physical talent but not elite. My conservative brain says the rest of the Wizards suck. Be patient with Wall. However, my heart says my first impression, this kid would struggle against other NBA PGs, has been more than right. This player is not THE GUY to build a franchise around IMO. Not right now.

Totally agree with this post.

[DaRealHibachi]

CCJ, Wall has just under a season under his belt averaging 16ppg, 8ast and 5 rebounds. That's despite a considerably flaw in his game, THAT EVERYBODY WAS WELL AWARE OFF, and absolutely no help around him.

I will never understand how you can be so fiercely loyal towards your darling players, and are ready to throw anybody under the bus for whom you don't share the same enthusiasm.

That bi-polar tendency makes it very tough to take you serious in a discussion like this.

Cousins being great... boy, you don't really watch any games other than the Wizards huh?

[DaRealHibachi]

This board is getting more difficult to read every passing day; I'm all for different opinions and out of the box thinking, but damn...

- Arenas needs a 2nd chance?
- Trading Wall for good, not great PG's and a pick (which might not pan out in the first place, or will probably be in the late 20's in Philly's case)?
- Dribbling skills for our bigs will win us games?
- Trading for a non-leader, past his prime soft PF in Gasol?
- Wall is a bust?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ, Wall has just under a season under his belt averaging 16ppg, 8ast and 5 rebounds. That's despite a considerably flaw in his game, THAT EVERYBODY WAS WELL AWARE OFF, and absolutely no help around him.

I will never understand how you can be so fiercely loyal towards your darling players, and are ready to throw anybody under the bus for whom you don't share the same enthusiasm.

That bi-polar tendency makes it very tough to take you serious in a discussion like this.

Cousins being great... boy, you don't really watch any games other than the Wizards huh?

Small minds talk about people.

What I tend to do is gather facts then formulate opinions. Cousins is better than Wall right now. That is an opinion. But instead of being some bipolar fool, I read advanced statistical facts and a balanced, objective analyses to support my opinions.

ttp://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/1/19/ ... n-thompson

I will be using several sources for my analysis. First, I'll be using the Advanced Statistics found on Basketball-Reference (PER, TS%, AST%, etc.). I will also be using Synergy Sports Technology's data to give a more in-depth look at how our players perform each possession, both offensively and defensively. Synergy Sports uses PPP (Points Per Possession) to track individual players. They track individual play types on both ends of the court and I will be provding samples of each players major play types. Finally, I'll be using HoopData's shot location statistics to see how our players shoot from certain locations.

DeMarcus is slowly but surely making strides towards becoming one of the best big men in the NBA, but he still has his faults.

Defensively is where DeMarcus has really shined so far this year. Of starting centers, only Bynum, DeAndre Jordan, Bargnani(!) and Chandler have allowed fewer Points Per Possession. DeMarcus' block rate has more than doubled, and he steals the ball as often as a guard. He does a great job of closing out on spot-up shooters, where that 7'6 wingspan really helps. There isn't a reliable source for statistics on Charges Drawn, but he has to be among the league leaders in that category as well.

hermitkid, if I bother you that much put me on ignore.

You're starting to get personal. I won't make any assumptions but I wonder what type of human you are now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This board is getting more difficult to read every passing day; I'm all for different opinions and out of the box thinking, but damn...

- Arenas needs a 2nd chance?
- Trading Wall for good, not great PG's and a pick (which might not pan out in the first place, or will probably be in the late 20's in Philly's case)?
- Dribbling skills for our bigs will win us games?
- Trading for a non-leader, past his prime soft PF in Gasol?
- Wall is a bust?

DRH, I am not directing this at you.

I think discussion of different viewpoints only gets bad when personal attacks, strong arming, and attempts to censor or dismiss others starts happening. Group think and attacking the messenger make the board worse as far as I am concerned.

By that same token, the very same people who doubt every draft pick I name for the better part of 10 years still think Flip Saunders is a good coach.

Personally, Arenas needing a second chance is not an opinion I share. I have read that he's received treatments on his knee similar to Kobe's and he's lost a lot of weight. I expect he will get another look from the Lakers. I don't think Arenas on the Wizards makes any sense nor will it happen. Yet, I find it entertaining to discuss. I am not threatened with out-of-the-box because that is where my mind tends to resonate.

I think very close-minded people read the Pau trades and just do not consider a Hall of Fame PF, two first round picks, Ron Artest, Steve Blake, get rid of Andray Blatche, and get rid of Rashard Lewis is not the same as Wall for Pau. When people only see my idea as Pau for Wall it makes me incredibly frustrated. I can name 10 PGs who will be FAs this summer and at least 2 of them would be better at running this team than Wall. People talk about how bad a mid first round pick would be as if they are sure every player from this draft from round one will be worse than Wall.

Wall is a bust? Go back and read the draft thread from the day Wall was drafted. Anyone who couldn't wait for Wall to suit up, read what you thought then and see how you feel about Wall now. He can't be a bust because he's only in his second year. The real question is whether Wall is as good as you thought he would be.

NO.

[crackhed]

to step back a little, the wizards organization couldn't be a better case study of how a sports organization can be so horribly inept. imho the corrections in the front office and coaching staff must happen first, or the cycle of ineptitude will continue.

the wizards will not be able to develop talented young players (no matter how much potential they have), and they will not be able to attract winning veterans. no young player comes into the league complete; there has to be the infrastructure for development. and right now the wizards player development infrastructure can be described as a player devolution program (if thats a word).

[tontoz]

Wilt, Kareem and Shaq were traded. Nobody is untradable. The Bulls actually came close to trading Jordan before they won their first title.

Having said that the Wizards practically handed Wall the keys to the city when they drafted him. The odds of them trading him now are about the same as the odds of them offering me a 10 day contract.

[MJG]

Wall is more or less untouchable. I mean, I'm sure the team would swap him for a LeBron James or Kevin Durant, but an offer like that would never come in.

Now, whether or not he actually should be considered untouchable, I suppose that's a different discussion.

[MD's Finest]

The simple answer is no, but you need to get someone with the same potential or an legitimate all star with prime years left or just some crazy package of both.

I like Pau Gasol but he is on the downside of his career and some mid to late first rounders do not make that a sweeter pot, it might make is slightly better in the short term but long term it does not do much for the team. Personally I think if you gauge Walls value around the league it is still very high I just think most people who don't follow this team day to day feel that the lack of talent on the team and the environment of losing so much have more to do with any struggles he is having and fact is he has made strides already from the beginning of this season.

Until we get some better pieces around Wall and let some of these other young guys develop more and also let him Develop more it would not make sense to trade him.

Remember we are the organization who traded Chris Webber and Rasheed Wallace before they hit their prime and see how those moves worked out for us.