Hawks Goat of the game vs Philly

[ATL Boy]

Who was the Goat of the game vs Philly. Goat of the game leaders (well there's only one so far):
Larry Drew (1)

[Superiorblogman]

Larry Drew. He killed the teams momentum in so many ways. The last one was when Teague was running to the rack at will and kinda along with Ivan getting us back in and keeping us in. Out of the timeout Joe dominates the ball and takes like 3 of the next 5 shots and we are right back to being out of it. Can't even blame Joe, he just isn't a first option. Can only blame Josh for stupid jumpshots. So, I gotta go with Drew and the front office. By the way, if you are going to keep doing these the front office has to be on everyone.

Drew and the front office lost this one

[ATL Boy]

Larry Drew. He killed the teams momentum in so many ways. The last one was when Teague was running to the rack at will and kinda along with Ivan getting us back in and keeping us in. Out of the timeout Joe dominates the ball and takes like 3 of the next 5 shots and we are right back to being out of it. Can't even blame Joe, he just isn't a first option. Can only blame Josh for stupid jumpshots. So, I gotta go with Drew and the front office. By the way, if you are going to keep doing these the front office has to be on everyone.

Drew and the front office lost this one

Yea, so far pretty much every one of these have had Drew as an option in the poll.

[evildallas]

I wanted to vote for the Front Office because the efficient 29 points (60-70 fg%) by 2 centers on rookie deals showed how the length mismatch ate us alive. I gave some consideration to Josh's horrible shooting early but he contributed positively with 5 assists, 7 blocks, and 10 rebounds. His cold shooting (as pathetic as it was especially the jump hooks) wasn't the reason Philly scored so easily and wasn't the main reason for the loss.

[evildallas]

I forgot to bring up the 3 consecutive plays in which a different Hawk had the ball stolen from them on the offensive end. I know it happened to Joe and Marvin. Not sure if the 2nd time was Josh or Jeff (either is believable). It was the most disheartening thing I can remember seeing in Hawks game. I found myself muttering that we can't even dribble against them let alone score. That stint of the game made me want to vote for all players not named Ivan Johnson.

[Ruhiel]

Would have liked to see Josh Smith vs Iguodala but no had to settle for Iguodala waltzing into the lane vs Marvin Williams.

And pretty sure you can stick any big body in front of Josh Smith and he doesn't have the handle to get by him.

And I'll hesitate to give Drew and Josh credit for those assists because stationing Josh Smith at the top of the key does more harm than good.

We could spread the opposing defense out and run screen and roll but this flex offense is so terrible. Bad floor balance Drew uses ignores the help that a defensive 3 second rule provides and it has us driving into each other and ignores Smith's finishing ability.

[Superiorblogman]

Smith is not a finisher in the half court. He does not finish well around bodies. That is why he takes all those jumpshots. He knows his limitation contrary to popular belief. The truth is most sensible people are tired of living with his limitations.

[Ruhiel]

That is why he takes all those jumpshots. The truth is most sensible people are tired of living with his limitations.[/quote]

Twisted little kid.
Smith is bad off the dribble.
Smith knows his limitations and mostly takes the best shot available contrary to popular belief.
Smith is a great finisher and drawing fouls but we run pick and rolls wrong. Where Smith rolls the lane is already filled.

The truth is he's fallen in the "you jump high just dunk over everyone" stereotype. Cliched as a guy who doesnt play hard or know the best shot when he takes the same shots as any PF sans a power post game.

He has trouble driving around big bodies but he excels in transition. Its a coaching and management fail to say that Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams rebounding was going to get us out and running where Smith is a great finisher.


But worst of all Its a coaching fail to run pick and rolls with 3 players on the screeners side.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyOSSMngHY[/youtube]

How you going to say Smith is a bad halfcourt finisher when the only time he gets a quality shot is when he breaks Drews offense and plays normal basketball.

This is so (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and so glaringly obvious to anyone with a basketball mind I'm starting to think its a conspiracy.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mw3LLJpY2A[/youtube]

Every other team runs 2 man pick and roll on one side of the key and 3 other teammates on the other side to use the defensive 3 seconds rule to confuse Defense. Its a staple of NBA basketball and Larry Drew makes us go entire games without running it once.

[Ruhiel]

2nd play in the last vid he has to tell Teague where to go and Marvin to clear the baseline so his man cant help defend his roll.

[Superiorblogman]

2nd play in the last vid he has to tell Teague where to go

You are the most ignorant poster I have ever encountered. Clearly he is telling Twin to get out the way so they can run pick and roll on one side. You are correct in that if you are going to run pick and roll you need better spacing but nothing else you said made any sense. Finishing against the softest team in the league in Toronto does not count much. We can do anything against bum teams and that has been proven. You have no credibility no matter how many videos you make. You are ignorant and like being that way. If you can't see it was Twin that Josh had to direct you are also blind. You can lick Josh boots clean all you want and hate on others but the fact is Josh is just as much the problem as LD, Sund, and the ASG. When you decide to call things like they are then you will earn respect. Your trolling about Bogut made you look like a fool. Making a video then not being able to correctly analyze it makes you look like a fool. Only a fool argues with a fool. Considering I am not a fool I must ignore you until you correct your ways.

[Ruhiel]

2nd play in the last vid he has to tell Teague where to go

So I was correct in that if you are going to run pick and roll you need better spacing but nothing else you said made any sense. Finishing against Chicago to the tune of 25 points doesn't count much either?

Clearly he is telling the guy in front of him (Teague not the fat guy hobbling up the court behind him) to get out the way so they can run pick and roll on one side.
You can hate on Josh all you want but the fact is everyone knows Josh Smith is not in being used correctly.

I recognize Smith does 3 things great that is underutilized.
- Defending small forwards and having size+coordination. Iguodala would have been in foul trouble against Smith in pick and rolls. And Iguodala would not have waltzed into the lane like he did against another tweener in Marvin.
- Making defense to offense plays from the wing position. He Plays C/PF so does not get many transition enough unless he brings it up himself or a defender falls down ie Blake Griffin. (Marvin gets to play the wing in transition and is the horrid finisher on the team, not Smith)
- Halfcourt simple pick and roll with 3 teammates on other side of the key and he and ballhandler simply get to go to work.

But since you said it was Twin that Josh had to direct so he could get spacing on the pick and roll then you are so blinded by hate/agenda there's no reason talking to you.
I want the Hawks to do well but at least acknowledge Smith has not been in a position to maximize his finishing ability.
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