Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal?

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Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal? 

Post#1 » by Hoops Addict » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:24 pm

Barnes may be falling in the draft.

Last year he was highly desired, bow he has shown inability to drive to the hoop, and limited offense.
He may only have good outsoide shooting.

Do you take Barnes at #8?

I take Beal at #8, but want to see more scouting on Barnes....he appears to be a good scorer, but maybe not in the pros.
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Re: Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal 

Post#2 » by countrybama24 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:40 pm

Beal is gonna go top 6. I think he is clearly better than lamb or barnes, he seems like a can't miss top-notch SG (ie not gonna fall to us). He can really shoot, he's more athletic than eric gordon, he's younger than the other two prospects. He can create off the dribble better than barnes, and he's a better defender than lamb. All the mocks have him top 5.

Barnes would be a safe pick at 8, not the highest upside there but people forget he's a really good defender and can fix our outside shooting problems. I'm kinda indifferent between him or lamb. Lamb is probably better, but we already have burks and need size at the 3. I doubt barnes falls to us, and I think his upside is a better all-round marvin williams (i.e. role player), but he would be a great fit.

I'd be ok with lilard here. Despite my complaining about our failure to be proactive in trading our assets, we really havent whiffed many top 10 picks which is more than you can say about 90% of the league. If we draft him, I trust our front office. However I think he's fairly replaceable (not super explosive, but quick scoring PG who sometimes distributes). I havent watch much weber state though, so idk.
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Re: Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal 

Post#3 » by Getjazz » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:03 pm

I don't think that there's a chance Barnes falls to 8-10. No way! However just to play along, I take him over Lamb and I could flip a coin on him or Beal. Both will be very good pros. I think Barnes will be a better pro than he was in collage.
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Re: Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal 

Post#4 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:52 pm

I've been saying for awhile now that Beal and Lamb are better prospects than Barnes, so I would take both of them ahead of him easily.

I agree that Beal is going to be a top 5 pick, so he won't be an option unless we trade up. I think Lamb has a good chance at going before #8 as well but I would take him over Barnes. He's got a much higher ceiling than Barnes does.
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Post#5 » by d-will8 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:55 pm

I'll preface this by saying that I haven't watched all that much college basketball this year. That said, I'd take Barnes over Lamb and Beal, largely because of the way I think he'd fit in with our young core. First, while I'd definitely be happy with picking Lamb or Beal if our front office decided they were the best player available, we don't need another two. On the other hand, we could definitely use a true three who could play with Burks or Hayward (or, in extreme cases, both) and defend bigger wings. Second, the fact that Barnes is somewhat limited as a shot creator doesn't really bother me, given that we already have Burks and Hayward and that we badly need a shooter. I feel like he'd be a great fit offensively.

I was really hoping we could draft Barnes last year and, despite the fact that he's slipping a bit, I'd be ecstatic if we could get him this year. I'd also be happy with Lamb, Beal or Lillard, though.
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Post#6 » by HolyToledo » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:31 pm

I really dislike Barnes and think he is highly over-rated as a player. I would rather go with Marshall as he is a solid passing PG that can be our next John Stockton...Worst case scenario for Marshall is Jose Calderon and thats not too bad.
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Post#7 » by erudite23 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:16 pm

I'm really excited at the prospect of him being available for us is we pick 8th or 9th. I think this is another Paul Pierce situation (remember, Pierce was considered a top 3 talent for much of his stay at Kansas, but fell to 10th over similar concerns to Barnes) and think that Barnes is a perfect fit for what we need. He's a big forward who can defend and rebound and, most importantly, shoot. I think he can also play some 4 in small ball lineups. He might not be a super star, but he would fit perfectly here and I am very confident he'll be an upper tier player in the league.
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Post#8 » by QuantumMacgyver » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:50 pm

It all depends on where everyone falls, but I'd prefer to take Marshall, Rivers, or Lillard at this point. However, if Barnes, Jones, Sullinger are still on the boards then things get interesting. I know we already have Favors and Kanter, but Sullinger might be too sure to pass up.
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Post#9 » by Ming Kong! » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:08 pm

Utah doesn't need a SG, a SF is out biggest need. If we got a SF who is top 10 prospect, we take him.
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Post#10 » by Jazzfan12 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:36 pm

I'm not a huge fan of Barnes; he can't dribble or pass and a lot of what he could become good at (defense and posting up), he did not do at all in college and will have to learn it in the NBA. He's a good shooter and athlete (though not great at either) so I would be fine with him at 8 or 9 if we're picking there. Would prefer John Henson by a bit though.
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Re: Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal 

Post#11 » by qman » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:52 pm

Can barnes guard 2's and quick 3's? I don't see how he would play over Hayward or Burks unless he is a very good defender.

CJ Miles for all his flaws is a threat to drive and finish or dish. I just don't see the value of drafting Barnes. Lamb is thin but a better prospect in every other way.
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Post#12 » by StocktonShorts » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:22 pm

Ming Kong! wrote:Utah doesn't need a SG, a SF is out biggest need. If we got a SF who is top 10 prospect, we take him.


It's not like the Jazz have a sure thing at either position. You pick BPA and go from there.
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Post#13 » by babyjax13 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:53 pm

Barnes is toxic (not in that he is a bad guy, but a bad player). I don't want him on this team. Give me Beal - if he's not there, give me Lamb.
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Re: Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal 

Post#14 » by eLo » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:06 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Barnes is toxic (not in that he is a bad guy, but a bad player). I don't want him on this team. Give me Beal - if he's not there, give me Lamb.
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Re: Barnes likely falling. You pick him at #8, or Lamb, Beal 

Post#15 » by SoCalJazzFan » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:22 pm

It's very early to make decisions on the draft as we don't know if the Jazz will have the GS pick, two picks, or no picks; and we don't know which players will declare yet.

However, I don't think I'd pick Barnes. We have GH and Burks already. So, I'm not sure I'd pick Lamb or Beal either.

We need a young PG prospect pretty badly. For PGs, I wonder if Lillard is really an undersized SG. I'd like to see how Marshall, Teague and Wroten do during the draft process, but a top 10 pick might be too high for any of these.

I also wonder if both Kanter and Favors are really more centers than PFs, as I haven't seen much shooting or off the dribble stuff from more than about 5 feet from either. So, maybe the Jazz need a real PF or combo PF/SF too (perhaps as a replacement for Sap). This is where a few of the players (perhaps Sullinger) would be worth the top 10 pick.
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Post#16 » by kebutah » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:58 pm

I like the idea of Barnes or Marshall if we have a lottery pick. For the second round I would think about Jones from West Virginia.
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Post#17 » by Jefff » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:55 am

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Post#18 » by qman » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:46 pm

Honestly I am getting higher are Marquis Teague as each game passes. He is a good talent and he figuring out how to be a good complimentary player.
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Post#19 » by TheSurgeon49 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:14 pm

It looks like Barnes and Marshall have declared, along with Hensen. I'd be ecstatic with either Beal (whose stock has skyrocketed) or Lamb, but realistically, I'm thinking that KM might be our guy, speaking upon team needs, I feel like we'd need Marshall more than Lilliard with as many weapons we already have at our disposal. And dare I say that his ceiling might be within the Rondo realm?
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Post#20 » by StevieShawn » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:28 pm

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