Rules for saves?

[Parataxis]

Hey guys, I'm having a bit of a rule brainfart here; was wondering if anybody could provide clarification.

In the home opener, Santos came in with one out (up by 3) and didn't get a save because he didn't pitch the whole inning. Today, he came in with one out (up by 2) and got a save.

Is it no more runs ahead than outs remaining? Something to do with the baserunners?

[Avenger]

That rule states the official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:
1. He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
2. He is not the winning pitcher;
3. He is credited with at least ⅓ of an inning pitched; and
4. He satisfies one of the following conditions:
A. He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning
B. He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck
C. He pitches for at least three innings

In Clevland none of the three criteria listed under 4 were satisfied. Today 4B obviously applies because Santos came on with the tying run on base

all of this is bull anyways, some idiot reproter in the 1960's with nothing better to do pulled the arbitrary criteria out of his ass and so many people have been fooled themselves into believing a "Save" carries any actual meaning.

[Parataxis]

That rule states the official scorer shall credit a pitcher with a save when such pitcher meets all four of the following conditions:
1. He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his team;
2. He is not the winning pitcher;
3. He is credited with at least ⅓ of an inning pitched; and
4. He satisfies one of the following conditions:
A. He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning
B. He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat or on deck
C. He pitches for at least three innings

In Clevland none of the three criteria listed under 4 were satisfied. Today 4B obviously applies because Santos came on with the tying run on base

all of this is bull anyways, some idiot reproter in the 1960's with nothing better to do pulled the arbitrary criteria out of his ass and so many people have been fooled themselves into believing a "Save" carries any actual meaning.

Interesting, thanks. So theoretically, if a visiting pitcher came in in the 7th with a 10 run lead, they could earn a Save under 4C?

[Hendrix]

In the Cleveland game wasn't the tying run on deck? We were up by 3. There was one guy on base. So doesn;t the guy on deck represent a tying run?

Edit- Nevermind. Santos was the guy who walked the guy on to base, not Perez.

[Parthenon]

A few years back, Brian Tallet started a game. He pitched 4 innings giving up no hits, but had an insane number of walks. Jeremy Accardo was put into the game, pitched two innings of 2 hitter. Brandon League came in for the 6th and pitched 3 shutout, no-hit innings to earn the save, despite the Jays being up more than three runs

[illy]

A few years back, Brian Tallet started a game. He pitched 4 innings giving up no hits, but had an insane number of walks. Jeremy Accardo was put into the game, pitched two innings of 2 hitter. Brandon League came in for the 6th and pitched 3 shutout, no-hit innings to earn the save, despite the Jays being up more than three runs

if you pitch more than 3 runs u get the save automatically also, I believe they changed the rule this year, not sure why. makes it more confusing. anyone know if other rules were altered?