Phil Jackson?

ShawnBronald · Post #1 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:54 pm

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/19042422/knicks-too-busy-putting-on-show-to-give-phil-jackson-a-call

According to this article, Phil Jackson is looking to get back into coaching after taking a year off. Surprisingly, no team has contacted him. The article states he 'has the itch' to return and is just waiting for a team to contact him.

Obviously, we've got Alvin Gentry under contract for another year. Furthermore, the Suns don't really have a team as of this writing. But, we do have a ton of money just waiting to be spent this summer. Phoenix is close to LA. What better way to attract free agents, or perhaps entice certain players to consider Phoenix as a possible destination in a trade, than to have a man such as Phil Jackson on board?

Okay, okay.... back to reality. The Suns probably couldn't lure him here and Phil probably would not want to put up with Sarver. That being said, if the stars were to align, would you want the Suns to sign Phil Jackson as their head coach? If so, what kind of moves would we have to make to appease him?

YouTube · Post #2 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:15 pm

NiGhtWiSh · Post #3 » by **NiGhtWiSh** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:15 pm

Fire Gentry and sign Phil immediately, 5 ys contract!

YouTube · Post #4 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:28 pm

After next year, Thunder Dan will be our coach. Speaking of which, did anybody catch the Diamondbacks game?

SunsRback4Good · Post #5 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Tue May 15, 2012 4:53 am

Kerrsed wrote:After next year, Thunder Dan will be our coach. Speaking of which, did anybody catch the Diamondbacks game?

Yup, I posted that on Around the NBA PLAYOFFS. I was watching the game and was cracking up when he caught the ball with one hand. :lol:

Post #6 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:05 am

Majerle would be a great coach! And whenever we'd get in a shooting funk, he'd show them how to make a damn shot.

RandomVillain · Post #7 » by **RandomVillain** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:19 am

HOLLA!!!

NiGhtWiSh · Post #8 » by **NiGhtWiSh** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:27 am

Majerle as a head coach? I don't like it at all. IMHO he lacks everything the head coach must have and know.
Any GM who choose Majerle, having Phil at the doors should be fired immediatly witha a black card for all sports.

GrantHill · Post #9 » by **GrantHill** » Tue May 15, 2012 2:20 pm

Phil Jackson? He's not a coach for a rebuilding team.If we won't re-sign Gentry (I still like him) hire a young coach with potential you can make an impact on this francise for several years. I'm thinking of a guy like Mike Budenholzer or Brian Shaw. Both spent their time with winning francises (Spurs&Lakers) and could be great coaches, expecially Budenholzer, who was the right hand of Popovich.

NiGhtWiSh · Post #10 » by **NiGhtWiSh** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:15 pm

You don't look for crapy youngster or keep awful Gentry when Phil Jackson is ready to sign. Point. No matter what you have in roster.

ShawnBronald · Post #11 » by **ShawnBronald** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:38 pm

GrantHill wrote:Phil Jackson? He's not a coach for a rebuilding team.If we won't re-sign Gentry (I still like him) hire a young coach with potential you can make an impact on this francise for several years. I'm thinking of a guy like Mike Budenholzer or Brian Shaw. Both spent their time with winning francises (Spurs&Lakers) and could be great coaches, expecially Budenholzer, who was the right hand of Popovich.

You're right, but what if the Suns plan to sign some big names (and/or trade for them), instead of rebuild? In that case, as far fetched as it may be, wouldn't Jackson be better than Gentry? Ultimately, I guess it depends on the players they might sign or trade for, but I'd imagine Phoenix would be a much more enticing destination with a coach like Phil Jackson at the helm. But, of course, there's still that Sarver issue.....

Sunsdeuce · Post #12 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue May 15, 2012 11:05 pm

Phil is great when given a very talented roster. He knows what buttons to push and is great with extremely good players. Not so much when coaching a below average team. It is well known he doesn't do well with teams in rebuild mode. See lakers minus gasol and shaq for evidence. so no thanks to Phil.

Majerle is a smart individual and would do well as a coach. Though not sure about being a full time coach yet. The thing I loved about colangelo, all his coaches were home grown. Paul westphalt came in as a first year coach and took the suns to the finals.

Let's face it coaches everyone thinks are great, are great because they almost always have great players. Look at doc rivers. He was an average coach pre garnet/Allen then poof he gets them and he is all of the sudden great.

Post #13 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed May 16, 2012 12:57 am

NiGhtWiSh wrote:You don't look for crapy youngster or keep awful Gentry when Phil Jackson is ready to sign. Point. No matter what you have in roster.

I don't care if PJax is a GOAT coach, he's not going to turn our team with no superstars into an elite team. If we already had a very good team, then he should be considered.

As bad a Gentry is, his ties to the Suns, willingness to develop and play youngsters and past success with the team, he's a cheap and decent choice as a coach with the Suns. Phil Jackson would be an incredible waste of money. He's not what we need to turn this team around and at the cost of likely $10m a year (he was for a while the highest paid coach in the league) he'll do more bad than good.

NiGhtWiSh · Post #14 » by **NiGhtWiSh** » Wed May 16, 2012 6:55 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Phil Jackson would be an incredible waste of money.

O ho ho ho ho... Wow... So, f.ex., MJ23 would be an incredible waste of money if signed for this rubbish Suns team...

Are You serious? Really?

RunDogGun · Post #15 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:05 pm

NiGhtWiSh wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Phil Jackson would be an incredible waste of money.

O ho ho ho ho... Wow... So, f.ex., MJ23 would be an incredible waste of money if signed for this rubbish Suns team...

Are You serious? Really?

This doesn't make any sense. The argument that Lilfishi is giving you, is because we lack superstars, Phil most likely will be worthless for us. So you push back with MJ? Are talking about the terrible GM MJ or MJ in his prime? Neither would be an option for us, but if you were talking about the player (in his prime), it would negate Lilfishi's constraint of lacking a superstar.

My main issue with Phil, would be a total change in system. I want a coach that will keep many aspects of the run and gun, just adding a buttload of defense and rebounding.

However, I really would like to get rid of Gentry, he is terrible in the head position.

Post #16 » by **bwgood77** » Wed May 16, 2012 6:24 pm

This is a pointless thread, because even IF we had stars on this team that could compete (which we don't) and IF Phil had interest in coaching the Suns (which he doesn't), Sarver would NEVER pay him what it would take to get him in Phoenix.

I'm surprised so many people hate Gentry so much too. I think he got WAY more out of this team this year than most people expected, and what he did with Telfair throughout the year was nothing short of remarkable.

RunDogGun · Post #17 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed May 16, 2012 8:56 pm

Gentry isn't a good head coach. I have listed three years of continuing mistakes that have resulted in losses for the team. Elson Turner had more to do with Telfair than Gentry. Gentry wanted Telfair to walk the ball up, even Telfair said that he didn't like doing that. And when he went off script to play the way he likes, he played better.

Moreover, statistically Price made our team better on both ends of the court, yet he sat and watched too many games, even when Telfair was sucking.

We also saw how well the team played when Chilldress was on the court, which Gentry only did when he had no other choice after Hill went down. A few times this season, Chilldress had a better assist/turnover ratio than Nash. I didn't think anyone on our team could do that. And when Chilldress went off script (standing around the three point line), he played great.

Now if Gentry had altered his offense to fit his players, and not the other way around, we could have won more games. He often waited until the other team went on huge runs before calling a timeout. Bottom line, gentry cost us games this year, and others for the past three seasons. If he had learned from those mistakes, like sitting the hot hand until they went cold, and other gaffes, I would change my tune about wanting him gone.

NiGhtWiSh · Post #18 » by **NiGhtWiSh** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:06 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
NiGhtWiSh wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Phil Jackson would be an incredible waste of money.

O ho ho ho ho... Wow... So, f.ex., MJ23 would be an incredible waste of money if signed for this rubbish Suns team...

Are You serious? Really?

This doesn't make any sense. The argument that Lilfishi is giving you, is because we lack superstars, Phil most likely will be worthless for us. So you push back with MJ? Are talking about the terrible GM MJ or MJ in his prime? Neither would be an option for us, but if you were talking about the player (in his prime), it would negate Lilfishi's constraint of lacking a superstar.

My main issue with Phil, would be a total change in system. I want a coach that will keep many aspects of the run and gun, just adding a buttload of defense and rebounding.

However, I really would like to get rid of Gentry, he is terrible in the head position.

I understand Lil'fishi very well. But, still, I think that a pro franchise have to sign the best options possible. Zen master is NOT ONLY a superstar teams coach. He's a BBALL COACH. The greatest in this game since Auerbach's time. And not taking PJax in consideation is the same bulls...t like Portland's 1st pick in MJ23 draft.

Post #19 » by **bwgood77** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:53 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Gentry isn't a good head coach. I have listed three years of continuing mistakes that have resulted in losses for the team. Elson Turner had more to do with Telfair than Gentry. Gentry wanted Telfair to walk the ball up, even Telfair said that he didn't like doing that. And when he went off script to play the way he likes, he played better.

Moreover, statistically Price made our team better on both ends of the court, yet he sat and watched too many games, even when Telfair was sucking.

We also saw how well the team played when Chilldress was on the court, which Gentry only did when he had no other choice after Hill went down. A few times this season, Chilldress had a better assist/turnover ratio than Nash. I didn't think anyone on our team could do that. And when Chilldress went off script (standing around the three point line), he played great.

Now if Gentry had altered his offense to fit his players, and not the other way around, we could have won more games. He often waited until the other team went on huge runs before calling a timeout. Bottom line, gentry cost us games this year, and others for the past three seasons. If he had learned from those mistakes, like sitting the hot hand until they went cold, and other gaffes, I would change my tune about wanting him gone.

I agree he has made mistakes, and if you evaluate every in game move, it is easy to get frustrated NO MATTER WHO IS COACHING. I've seen coaches with far more talent with the Suns and elsewhere, get less out of them.

I think there is a good chance their plan hinges partly on what Nash does, but I'm guessing if they do change coaches this offseason or next, Elston Turner will likely be the choice. I'm guessing he expects it, or else he would probably likely return to being an assistant for Adelman.

I'd be happy with Turner being hired though. I'm not sure about Majerle. Don't think he is ready to be a head coach yet.

RunDogGun · Post #20 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:01 pm

I am bit tired of hiring from within. Besides Porter, we have done this move since the mid nineties. After Cotton stepped in after Westphal, it's been one after the other of assistant replacing head, save Porter.

Although I would be interested in a few of our assistants besides Majerle, I still would like to see us target a real head coach.