Stick with Jeff Teague or purse Kyle Lowry? (Article)

Post #1 » by **HMFFL** » Sat May 26, 2012 1:41 pm

Kyle Lowry feels it’s his time to move on

Barely three weeks after surgery to repair a sports hernia and torn abductor muscles, Rockets guard Kyle Lowry returned to the Toyota Center weight rooms and went through shooting drills on the practice court.

But as he leaves town Saturday, he does not know if he’ll return to those familiar facilities or if he wants to be back.

Lowry does not believe he and Goran Dragic, his successor as the starting point guard this season, will both return to the roster next season. Lowry was even less confident he and Rockets coach Kevin McHale can successfully coexist.

“I don’t think so,” Lowry, 26, said. “I honestly think it would be tough. Things have to be addressed. The situation would have to be addressed.

“If things aren’t addressed coaching-wise, I guess I have to be moved.”

But McHale did not believe the issues were too great for him and Lowry to work well together.

“That’s very surprising,” McHale said. “I didn’t think we had too much of a problem coexisting this year. Everybody has a little beef every once in a while. I didn’t feel like (there were problems). He apparently did.

“There were times that we didn’t agree on things. There were times that I got on him. I don’t think it was unduly harsh on anybody.”

Lowry and McHale seemed most at odds during a late-season game in Denver when McHale grabbed Lowry and pulled him back toward a huddle during a timeout with Lowry reacting angrily on the court. Both downplayed the incident in the next few days, but Lowry confirmed he needed to be restrained.

“My teammates pulled me away,” Lowry said. “They did a good job.” http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... o-move-on/

monsterblock · Post #2 » by **monsterblock** » Sat May 26, 2012 1:51 pm

their is a reason why Kobe/Sessions and Joe/Speedy didn't work.

Superiorblogman · Post #3 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sat May 26, 2012 1:52 pm

How is Lowry a better longterm fit than Teague. Lowry has been in the league 7 or 8 years and gives you like 14 pts and 7 assists. Teague 3rd year gives you like 13pts and 5 assists. How is Lowry a better longterm fit?

SAUCERY_SWEET · Post #4 » by **SAUCERY_SWEET** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:37 pm

Stick wth Teague....his upside is much better. More explosive and like has been said is a bit younger. He also isn't coming off some kind of injury.

Post #5 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:03 pm

If I see another Horford/Teague for Lowry/Dalembert/Martin trade I don't know what I'll do.

MaceCase · Post #6 » by **MaceCase** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:11 pm

He's a better PG than Teague right now and in the immediate future but Teague has the higher upside.....he also has the higher bust potential and considering he's entering a free agent season he might get paid more than Lowry on his potential alone but never quite live up to it. That's my one consideration, Lowry's salary is a great value for his production but it doesn't run long enough to have much of an advantage over Jeffrey's potential new deal so no deal......But then again if it's a deal for Marvin while keeping Teague we can have a lil competition go on and get out of Marv's deal a year to two sooner. Far more quality wings at our pick to replace him for cheaper.

Superiorblogman · Post #7 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sat May 26, 2012 6:15 pm

Only trade I want with Houston is Josh and #23 for Scola and both of there 1st rd picks. The catch is I only want that if both Kendall Marshall and Drummond or Meyers Leonard is there.

Teague/K Marsh
Joe/Willie
Marvin
Al/Scola/Ivan
Meyers/Zaza

Then flip Scola for depth like Aaron Afflalo.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=75bj9hz

Teague/K Marshall/Pargo
Joe/Aaron/Wille
Marvin/Hollis Thompson(2nd rd)
Al/Ivan
Meyers/Zaza/Collins

Rip2137 · Post #8 » by **Rip2137** » Sat May 26, 2012 10:14 pm

I was with you until you said trade Scola for depth(or starting a rookie over Scola actually).

I am still a firm believer that Al at center gives us an advantage 90% of the time(the time it hurts is when we play the Magic, Lakers, or Memphis...any other time its great). A front court of Scola/Horford would be fine with me if we are getting picks for the future.

That said, no player you would get in this years draft outside the top 3 would be better than Scola is now.

evildallas · Post #9 » by **evildallas** » Sat May 26, 2012 11:07 pm

I think Scola would be harder to flip than you think because of the length of his deal and age. If we trade Josh we need to move Al to PF to maximize his return, and that would mean that Scola would be a 9M reserve for multiple years.

I like the idea of going after Houston's picks but I'd be more interested in a 1 year rental of Dalembert than Scola as the salary coming back. I'm thinking Josh for Dalembert, Patterson (or Morris to make the math work), #14 and #16 picks. I'd hope to keep the #23, but would give up if necessary (Houston might need it for another deal).

I think if Houston wants to they could ship Lowry and Scola to LA for Pau Gasol. LA saves quite a bit in luxury tax and solve PG issue with the drop off at PF made up for by more usage for Bynum. Houston would then resign Dragic and have their new lineup, but likely would continue to shop Martin since he's expiring:
Goran Dragic
Kevin Martin
Chandler Parsons
Josh Smith
Pau Gasol

BTW, I think McHale would be a perfect coach for Josh. Hall of Fame player who played the same position that Josh is asked to play and possessed more post moves than any PF ever. Any that Josh learns would improve his offensive efficiency.

On the original question I worry about the number of missed games in Lowry's career and his low overall shooting percentage. He's ahead of Jeff in PG skills and defense, but I think Jeff is improving in those areas. My only real concern with Jeff's development is his confidence level which is too erratic.

Superiorblogman · Post #10 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:49 pm

Rip2137 wrote:I was with you until you said trade Scola for depth(or starting a rookie over Scola actually).

I am still a firm believer that Al at center gives us an advantage 90% of the time(the time it hurts is when we play the Magic, Lakers, or Memphis...any other time its great). A front court of Scola/Horford would be fine with me if we are getting picks for the future.

That said, no player you would get in this years draft outside the top 3 would be better than Scola is now.

Avoiding teams is not the way of a champion

Geaux_Hawks · Post #11 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:28 pm

Superiorblogman wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:I was with you until you said trade Scola for depth(or starting a rookie over Scola actually).

I am still a firm believer that Al at center gives us an advantage 90% of the time(the time it hurts is when we play the Magic, Lakers, or Memphis...any other time its great). A front court of Scola/Horford would be fine with me if we are getting picks for the future.

That said, no player you would get in this years draft outside the top 3 would be better than Scola is now.

Avoiding teams is not the way of a champion

May not be, but teams seem to tank for better matchups. Anywho, if we have an advantage over most teams in the NBA with the exception of 3 or 4, then we could always gear up for those exceptions.

Superiorblogman · Post #12 » by **Superiorblogman** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:13 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
Superiorblogman wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:I was with you until you said trade Scola for depth(or starting a rookie over Scola actually).

I am still a firm believer that Al at center gives us an advantage 90% of the time(the time it hurts is when we play the Magic, Lakers, or Memphis...any other time its great). A front court of Scola/Horford would be fine with me if we are getting picks for the future.

That said, no player you would get in this years draft outside the top 3 would be better than Scola is now.

Avoiding teams is not the way of a champion

May not be, but teams seem to tank for better matchups. Anywho, if we have an advantage over most teams in the NBA with the exception of 3 or 4, then we could always gear up for those exceptions.

My point is Al at C does not give us the advantage 90% of the time that is just a blatant piece of foolishness at this point. I am not directly meaning to attack anyone but I must state that is just another by-product of a lot of people not wanting to move Josh or Al. Al does not give us a advantage at C versus good teams and neither does Josh. One has to go and it makes more sense for it to be Josh. I know it will not happen because we have horrible people in the front office that are just beyond incompetent when it comes to building anything that even resembles a champion.

Playoff East Teams:

Heat-True
Bulls-False even though he matches up well with Noah it is not a advantage
Pacers-False
Celts-False even with KG because he is just too long.
Magic-False
Sixers-He is just better than Hawes but Hawes is definitely bigger and Sixers have our number for some reason.
Knicks-False Al does not have any obvious advantage over Chandler

So, of the playoff teams Al gives us a clear advantage over one team the Heat and that advantage means nothing because of how great Wade and Bronn are. Where is this 90% mess when it counts? That is the reason we have such a bad record against good teams. I imagine if we wanted to go down the line of all the over .500 teams we would find that Al at C gives you a clear advantage over very few.

Disclaimer: Saying Al gives us a advantage is totally different than just saying Al is better than most guys playing C in the NBA. I agree he is better than most guys playing C in the NBA but he does not give us a clear advantage over most guys playing C in the NBA it is actually the opposite.