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2013 Draft Thread 

Post#1 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:48 am

I thought it would be good to start a draft thread where we can talk about the prospects as they go through the college season and watch how they move up the dx and nbadraft.net charts throughout the seasons

It would be great if Kerrsed or someone else can provide screen shots of what the 2013 mocks look like at different points in time, so we have a record of how prospects moved up or down in projections as the year went on.

From all indications, I've heard the draft next year is going to be fairly weak overall, so picking the right prospect will likely be even more important next draft. There are a few big names at the top, but after that, who knows how it will play out over the next year....

Here is a link to the prospect draft thread on the nba draft forum, which will provide more voices (than we will see here) on the top prospects. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1190763

Here are links to the current versions of the mocks...

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

Chad Ford's thoughts:

The 2012 NBA draft didn't have a lot of sizzle, but it had plenty of depth. With virtually all of the top underclassmen deciding to declare, it was stocked with talent. The 2013 draft? Ugh.

The 2013 draft is so devoid of top returning underclassmen and has such a marginal freshman class, one NBA scout said our 2013 Top 100 list may be the weakest since the dreaded 2000 NBA draft (check out our 2013 draft homepage here).

When you remember that the best prospect out of the 2000 draft was 46th pick Michael Redd, you get a picture of what we might be in for.

This draft does have a couple of interesting returning stars and several intriguing college freshmen -- but it runs out of steam pretty quickly.

We've ranked Kentucky Wildcats recruit Nerlens Noel as the No. 1 prospect in our Top 100 after talking with numerous NBA scouts and executives. Noel is very similar to this year's No. 1 pick Anthony Davis. He is a long, lanky big man who runs the floor, rebounds, blocks shots and plays above the rim. He has to get stronger, but he's a big time talent.

However, none of the scouts we spoke with think that Noel is cut out of the same cloth as Davis as a prospect. He doesn't have the same basketball IQ or motor of Davis, and most scouts believe he's even further behind than Davis was offensively. The one thing he might be better at than Davis? Most scouts say he's an even better shot-blocker.

The vote at the top isn't unanimous, however. A small number of scouts and executives have Cody Zeller as the top pick. The Indiana Hoosiers big man had a terrific freshman season in Bloomington, and scouts say he has been adding much-needed strength over the summer. With the Hoosiers poised to be one of the best teams in the country, he is going to get plenty of attention.

A third player, freshman Shabazz Muhammad, could also be in the running to become the No. 1 overall pick. The UCLA recruit has been compared to a more offensive-minded Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. He has a similar motor and athletic ability, but adds a killer scoring streak to his repertoire. Whether he can show that off in the confines of UCLA's system remains to be seen.

After Noel, Zeller and Muhammad, the consensus breaks down quite a bit.

As you get ready to dig in to our initial 2013 Top 100, here is a look at some themes for next year's draft:

1. A lack of high-quality college holdovers
A very low number of talented players decided to skip the 2012 draft and return to college. Just about everyone with a shot at the first round threw their hat into the ring. Just two returning college players -- Zeller and North Carolina Tar Heels forward James Michael McAdoo -- ended up landing in the top 5 of our rankings.

The next-best returning collegian is the North Texas Mean Green's Tony Mitchell. Memphis Tigers small forward Adonis Thomas, Arkansas Razorbacks point guard B.J. Young, Florida Gators center Patric Young and Texas Longhorns point guard Myck Kabongo all place in the top 14. For perspective, all five of those players would have struggled to crack the first round in the 2012 draft.

2. A solid freshmen class
In 2007, six freshmen -- Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Mike Conley, Brandan Wright, Spencer Hawes and Thaddeus Young -- were drafted in the lottery. In 2008, a record seven freshmen -- Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, O.J. Mayo, Kevin Love, Eric Gordon, Jerryd Bayless and Anthony Randolph -- went in the lottery.

In 2009, just two college freshmen -- Tyreke Evans and DeMar DeRozan -- were drafted in the lottery. That's a huge drop.

2010 was a bit of a rebound year with four college freshmen going in the lottery. Kentucky's John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins, Georgia Tech's Derrick Favors and Kansas' Xavier Henry were all drafted in the lottery.

In 2011, Duke's Kyrie Irving, Kentucky's Brandon Knight, and Texas forward Tristan Thompson were the only freshmen to go in the lottery. In 2012, the draft had its fair share of stellar freshmen. Kentucky's Anthony Davis, Florida's Bradley Beal, Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, UConn's Andre Drummond and Duke's Austin Rivers all went in the lottery.

In 2013 we're projecting six freshmen as potential lottery picks. They include Noel, Muhammad, Kentucky's Alex Poythress, Baylor's Isaiah Austin, Pittsburgh's Steven Adams and UNLV's Anthony Bennett.

Two other freshmen, UCLA's Kyle Anderson and Kentucky's Archie Goodwin, are possible first-rounders, but most scouts think they may need at least two years on the college level.

3. A better crop of international prospects
2011 was a stellar year for international prospects. Four international players -- Enes Kanter, Jan Vesely, Jonas Valanciunas and Bismack Biyombo went in the lottery. Several others, including Donatas Motiejunas and Nikola Mirotic, went in the first round.

The 2012 crop of international prospects was the weakest in memory. Just one player, France's Evan Fournier, was selected in the first round.

It will be a little better in 2013. We have three players, France's Rudy Gobert, Croatia's Dario Saric and Spain's Alex Abrines, ranked as top-20 prospects. Several other international players, including Russia's Sergey Karasev and Dmitry Kulagin, Spain's Raul Neto and Italy's Alessandro Gentile, are in our top 60.

4. Winging it ...
The 2013 draft is heavy on wings -- a whopping 10 small forwards and seven shooting guards made our top 30. On the other end of the spectrum, we have just two point guards and four centers ranked in the top 30.

The point guard drought is especially depressing. The 2012 crop was historically weak with just one point guard going in the lottery. This year, none of the point guards are ranked in the top 10 and just two are in the lottery.

Overall, the draft class of 2013 should be considerably weaker than 2012. However, it's important to remember that some players that we're not talking about yet will rise -- they always do. Dion Waiters, Damian Lillard and Meyers Leonard weren't listed as potential lottery picks before the season, for example.

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Re: 2013 Draft Thread 

Post#2 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:03 am

I don't think it's very deep but the top 3-5 picks have huge upside. My sleeper is Adonis Thomas from Memphis who will carry the load with Barton leaving. The international class has potential to starting with Dario Saric who dominated the Nike Summitt game with amazing court vision for a 6'10" player. Rudy Gobert is raw as hell but nearly has an 8 ft wingspan. :o

A few wings i'd love who should be near our spot...

Shabazz Mohammad - 6'6" 225 lb SG/SF with a 7'0" w-span. Elite open floor scorer who attacks the rim. Phenom since childhood.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZOKFfNU0Nk[/youtube]

Adonis Thomas - Silky smooth SF who does everything, he'll be the main man for Memphis this season

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tke_a01jZV8[/youtube]

Alex Poythress - Going to Kentucky, built like a tank and more explosive than Terrence Jones, a grown a** man

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV1XIdBSl7g[/youtube]

I'll do more of some bigs later, never too ealry for draft talk...
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread 

Post#3 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:12 am

Here is Ford's analysis on Adonis Thomas at this point...

Overall Rank 10
Position Rank 4
Projection Lottery Pick
Positives

Quick, athletic forward
Physical player in the paint
Freaky athlete, explosive leaper
High basketball IQ
Great motor
Solid midrange game when he gets his feet planted

Negatives

A tweener, more of a 4 than a 3
Needs to add range to his jumper
Needs to improve his handle


Sounds like a great guy for Marshall to lob passes to..
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Post#4 » by DirtyDez » Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:00 am

Why does Ford think he's a 4? At the hoop summit last year he measured 6'6" 217 WITH shoes on... He only took 7 shots a game in 24 minutes but that had a lot to do with Barton. Although Thomas did shoot 51% inside the arc, 40% from 3pt and 70% from the FT line. That plus his thin frame screams SF to me. His ball handling looked fine to me when i saw Memphis this year. We shall see.
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Re: 2013 Draft Thread 

Post#5 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:15 am

DirtyDez wrote:Why does Ford think he's a 4? At the hoop summit last year he measured 6'6" 217 WITH shoes on... He only took 7 shots a game in 24 minutes but that had a lot to do with Barton. Although Thomas did shoot 51% inside the arc, 40% from 3pt and 70% from the FT line. That plus his thin frame screams SF to me. His ball handling looked fine to me when i saw Memphis this year. We shall see.


I was thinking the same.....I read Ford's stuff and thought he sounded like Marion with a little bit of Amare intensity, and then I looked at the video and saw he was 6'6 and he looked like an athletic swing guy. Ford is usually tuned in to what scouts think as far as prospects go, but I think he can be lazy at times with his write ups, and that one did seem a bit off.

That's why I look at the two draft websites and Ford and try and form an opinion using all three tools plus anything else I can find.
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Post#6 » by TASTIC » Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:50 am

Steven Adams. He's going to be a tougher Tyson Chandler. He's young, HUGE frame and doesn't take sht from anyone. Just needs some coaching and adjustment to College cos he's been dominating NZ high school/our national comp
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Post#7 » by Revived » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:26 am

Chad Ford either took a shot at Marshall or made an error...

The 2012 crop was historically weak with just one point guard going in the lottery.
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Post#8 » by sunskerr » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:50 am

sunsfan88 wrote:Chad Ford either took a shot at Marshall or made an error...

The 2012 crop was historically weak with just one point guard going in the lottery.


Thats actually either a shot at lillard or an error.
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Post#9 » by gaspar » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:35 am

sunsfan88 wrote:Chad Ford either took a shot at Marshall or made an error...

The 2012 crop was historically weak with just one point guard going in the lottery.

Erm... Wrong thread?
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Post#10 » by ATTL » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:43 am

TASTIC wrote:Steven Adams. He's going to be a tougher Tyson Chandler. He's young, HUGE frame and doesn't take sht from anyone. Just needs some coaching and adjustment to College cos he's been dominating NZ high school/our national comp


I was going to make mention of Steven. I'm looking forward to watching him this year and hope he does great things.
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Post#11 » by Ryu » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:04 am

I actually like next year`s draft top10 choice, especially crop of centers and forwards are enticing to me.

If we miss out on Shabazz I`d like to pick one of bigmen (Zeller, Noel, Adams or Gobert) and then trade Gortat for lottery pick and take one of the wings (Roberson, McAdoo, Mitchell...)

This kid reminds me of Marion, he has amazing leaping ability and rebounding (imagine our transition with Marshall and him):
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Post#12 » by ATTL » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:56 pm

Almost every year people say the draft will be weak. People called 2003 weak outside the top 3. I think I remember the Derrick Rose draft to be top 2 and role players.

2013 definitely has potential to be good, at least in the top ten, which we very well could end up in.

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Post#13 » by Moochiefried » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:09 pm

Most of these online analysts are sheep people, they never want to go out on a limb. My prediction is that Noel and Zeller will both drop in the rankings next season, and Shabazz will be the clear cut number 1 pick. Depth wise, this draft does seem a bit lacking, but I agree with y'all that there will be some real good lottery talent to be had. Some sleepers that haven't been mentioned yet that I like are Jamaal Franklin (SDSU) and LeBryan Nash (Oklahoma State).
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Post#14 » by ATTL » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:16 pm

I agree that Zeller will drop, or at least should. I dont want him on our team, 6'11" with a 6'8" wingspan? Yuck.
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Post#15 » by phx#7 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:30 pm

TASTIC wrote:Steven Adams. He's going to be a tougher Tyson Chandler. He's young, HUGE frame and doesn't take sht from anyone. Just needs some coaching and adjustment to College cos he's been dominating NZ high school/our national comp


Steven Adams or bust! He is raw but the ceiling on him appears to be incredible, plus his interviews are just awesome.
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Post#16 » by gaspar » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:38 pm

phx#7 wrote:Steven Adams or bust!

This!
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Post#17 » by phx#7 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:09 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmmK7FU43U8&feature=related[/youtube]

Lots of prospects.
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Post#18 » by ATTL » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:47 pm

Wiggins looked better than Shabazz there.
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Post#19 » by phx#7 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:49 pm

Amaretotheline wrote:Wiggins looked better than Shabazz there.


If they were in the same class Wiggins would easily be rated higher than Shabazz(and Noel), as would Parker.
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Post#20 » by ATTL » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:01 am

Noel is really skinny and really narrow shoulders. I'm not confident in his transition to the NBA.

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